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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2011,23:11   

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Cornelius Hunter returns from a two-week hiatus with a post on John Beddington’s call against pseudoscience (which oddly touched a nerve-I guess Hunter recognizes what ID is?).

How is his return greeted? With O'Leary immediately snatching the post, and turning it into two of her own! There are now three posts on the subject to 2 comments, one of which is a request for content other than O'Leary (I'd bet a 20 Hunter left that one). The other is BA77, of course.

Sunday afternoon lol.

According to the headers DO'L added two other post on "the grossly intolerant". Since I cannot and do not want to read them I would appreciate if someone here would be willing to prepare a readable summary. Thus, he or she should ommit verbartim quotes.

Wow, O'Leary is now up to three dreadful posts on "the grossly intolerant."

Forgive the quotes, but:

Basically, British Science Adviser Beddington says:  
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"We are grossly intolerant, and properly so, of racism. We are grossly intolerant, and properly so, of people who [are] anti-homosexuality...We are not—and I genuinely think we should think about how we do this—grossly intolerant of pseudo-science, the building up of what purports to be science by the cherry-picking of the facts and the failure to use scientific evidence and the failure to use scientific method.."


Which Hunter oddly reads as a critique of evolution, or is trying to be clever, and steps up the rhetoric a bit:

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Yes evolutionists bring us “religiously motivated nonsense” as Beddington puts it ...... Yes, evolution is every bit as dangerous as Beddington suggests. In fact it is arguably far more dangerous than racism and homophobia.


O'Leary promptly jumps in with a links to an article commenting on Boddington's quotes, which it now represents as "Selective use of science ‘as bad as racism or homophobia.'" Umm....no. He said that selective use of science ought to be smacked down by the media and scientists the same way as racism and homophobia might be.

To this, O'Leary contributes a shot against Muslims, a shot on tax funding....

Post 2 links to another article, with little commentary from O'Leary.

Post 3 is about breastfeeding and palliative care. I don't know.

And there you have it.

BA77 has a gem, worrying about "neo-Darwinists going against the constitution" and the "tentative government approval from the ‘science czar’ himself to be even more ‘grossly intolerant’ than they already have been?" This gathered from the misquote of a science adviser of NOT THE COUNTRY YOU LIVE IN.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2011,09:55   

so youns got me all farred up to go see what kinda apoplectic fits the tards were having over papaw granfools latest breakfast-on-chin mishap and i was disappointed.  but the "recent comments" did not fail to please.  

Gordon Mullings is too stupid to know that he is a liar.

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The digital code in D/RNA is there for all to see [it is not an analogy, it is instantiation, of a 4-state digital code that is also an algorithm, implemented through cellular, molecular scale nanomachines . . .which is what ribosomes etc plainly are], and is so integral to how cells work that it was there from their origin.


so rong you can't do nuttin with it except point and laugh.  i would like to see gordon mullings fight the inquisition.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2011,10:48   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 28 2011,09:55)
so youns got me all farred up to go see what kinda apoplectic fits the tards were having over papaw granfools latest breakfast-on-chin mishap and i was disappointed.  but the "recent comments" did not fail to please.  

Gordon Mullings is too stupid to know that he is a liar.

 
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The digital code in D/RNA is there for all to see [it is not an analogy, it is instantiation, of a 4-state digital code that is also an algorithm, implemented through cellular, molecular scale nanomachines . . .which is what ribosomes etc plainly are], and is so integral to how cells work that it was there from their origin.


so rong you can't do nuttin with it except point and laugh.  i would like to see gordon mullings fight the inquisition.

What would the Jamaican Inquisition be? A gang of Rastafarians?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2011,10:50   

Quote (Turncoat @ Feb. 28 2011,18:48)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 28 2011,09:55)
so youns got me all farred up to go see what kinda apoplectic fits the tards were having over papaw granfools latest breakfast-on-chin mishap and i was disappointed.  but the "recent comments" did not fail to please.  

Gordon Mullings is too stupid to know that he is a liar.

 
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The digital code in D/RNA is there for all to see [it is not an analogy, it is instantiation, of a 4-state digital code that is also an algorithm, implemented through cellular, molecular scale nanomachines . . .which is what ribosomes etc plainly are], and is so integral to how cells work that it was there from their origin.


so rong you can't do nuttin with it except point and laugh.  i would like to see gordon mullings fight the inquisition.

What would the Jamaican Inquisition be? A gang of Rastafarians?

Mon we wood whip daat bitch

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2011,11:41   

Batshit^77 is the Deepak Chopra of UD.

Edited!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2011,13:54   

O'Leary's latest begins:
 
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Contrary to the spirit of this catalogue of bitches against critical thinking in the school system, I offered to answer a schoolkid’s questions. I do write children’s science sometimes, but am sure glad I don’t teach for a living.

That's you and the sane world, Denyse.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2011,13:58   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 28 2011,13:54)
O'Leary's latest begins:
   
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Contrary to the spirit of this catalogue of bitches against critical thinking in the school system, I offered to answer a schoolkid’s questions. I do write children’s science sometimes, but am sure glad I don’t teach for a living.

That's you and the sane world, Denyse.

I don't know if I should be more shocked that she used the word "bitches" on UD or that she writes "children's science sometimes".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2011,14:30   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 28 2011,11:54)
O'Leary's latest begins:
     
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Contrary to the spirit of this catalogue of bitches against critical thinking in the school system, I offered to answer a schoolkid’s questions. I do write children’s science sometimes, but am sure glad I don’t teach for a living.

That's you and the sane world, Denyse.

That's a rich vein of tard, even by Denyse's standards:
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For example, the elements of nature (hydrogen, helium, oxygen, etc.) must do certain things. They do not change their minds or go on strike.
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For most of recorded human history, people did not know that bats use echolocation. We only realized that when we started using it ourselves (radar). Until we knew about the Van der Waals force, who realized that geckos use the Van der Waals force to climb up glass columns?
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Suppose we discovered a donut-shaped planet. Now, very specific conditions would be required to create such a structure and keep it in place.
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About the size of the Universe, remember that it is assumed to be spreading out from a point of infinite density, on a regular schedule.
...

The last one's my favourite.  I wonder if the Universe gets weekends off?

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2011,19:13   

The last one's my favourite.  I wonder if the Universe gets weekends off?

The only KNOWN way to get weekends off is through the action of unions.
By analogy, the universe got weekends off by union.
Unions (by definition) involve more than one.
Multiverse proved!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,01:52   

This post authored by Robert Deyes, made me smile. An attempt at "heads we win, tails you lose" that he might have run by Gordon Mullings before publishing. First the assertion:        
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The prevailing assumption- that functional proteins are constrained to a very small subset of possible sequences- would lead us to infer that finding them by a random search through sequence space would be tantamount to impossible.

Where did you get this idea from, Robert? The only people assuming this are last-ditch IDers. Rational people point out it is unwarranted, as the very paper you link to demonstrates! Who knows what percentage of potentially functional proteins lie undiscovered lurking around Gordon's "islands of functionality".

I wonder if Robert's newsreader searches for "design". From the abstract of the actual paper        
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A central challenge of synthetic biology is to enable the growth of living systems using parts that are not derived from nature, but designed* and synthesized in the laboratory
 * my emphasis

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,07:28   

"Islands of functionality" is one of those great metaphors being slowly strangled by facts.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,08:12   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2011,07:28)
"Islands of functionality" is one of those great metaphors being slowly strangled by facts.

"Continents of Functionality"?

rossum

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,08:52   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2011,07:28)
"Islands of functionality" is one of those great metaphors being slowly strangled by facts.

Gordon never lets facts get in the way of his claims.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,09:57   

Quote (rossum @ Mar. 01 2011,06:12)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2011,07:28)
"Islands of functionality" is one of those great metaphors being slowly strangled by facts.

"Continents of Functionality"?

rossum

Mangrove swamps. Oh, sorry, "wetlands". :-)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,11:01   

Doesn't protein functionality depend about as much (maybe more?) on what's around for it to interact with, rather than on any intrinsic property of that protein?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,11:16   

WHATEVER HENRY THAT IS MARXISM YOU WITH YOUR DIALECTICS LEADS TO HITLER





i suppose with some of these old geezers that it's more about "incontinence functionality" but Gordon-tard has probably had his stool impacted so many times that he approximates regularity

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,11:30   

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 01 2011,06:01)
Doesn't protein functionality depend about as much (maybe more?) on what's around for it to interact with, rather than on any intrinsic property of that protein?

From the paper:

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Natural sequences comprise only a miniscule fraction of the theoretical sequence space that is possible for genes and proteins. Indeed, a collection containing just a single molecule of every one of the 20100 possible 100-residue proteins would fill a volume larger than a mole of universes [4]. From this enormous potential for diversity, natural selection has operated over billions of years to yield a relatively small collection of sequences: Life is sustained by only ~4,000 genes in E. coli and approximately 5-fold more in humans [5], [6]. These considerations might lead to the supposition that genes and proteins capable of sustaining life are somehow “special.” Is this true? Or might we find functional molecular parts in a collection of artificial sequences designed “from scratch” in the laboratory?


And they go on to show that indeed there are  in among the de novo ones that can replace the knocked out genes:

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We have demonstrated that sequences designed de novo can provide functions necessary to sustain the growth of living cells. It should be emphasized that these macromolecules were isolated with relatively high frequency from a collection of sequences that were designed to adopt a stable globular fold ..., but were not explicitly designed for function.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,17:15   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2011,05:28)
"Islands of functionality" is one of those great metaphors being slowly strangled by facts.

 I see the bio-functional protein space as a hierarchical tree, where the trunk and major limbs are made up of the original polypeptide chains, the limbs and branches are the longer proteins, and the modern 100-300 aa proteins are the twigs way out at the periphery.
 The IDers, like Axe, Durston and Behe see only a horizontal, 2-dimensional slice through the tree. To them, it looks like the functional "islands" made up of the twigs and branches are very sparse and not connected to each other. The total area occupied by the twig's cross sections appears to be infinitesimal relative to the blank space between them.  Sort of like how a "Flatland" denizen would regard a complex 3-dimensional object.
 When the entire functional protein space is observed from a higher-dimensional perspective, it is easily seen that all the twigs are interconnected by the tree structure, and the "isolated islands of functionality " perspective is shown to be narrow and myopic at best.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,17:34   

I like the metaphor, but the exact shape of the tree is probably an historical accident. It doesn't imply that the branches followed the only possible path.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,17:50   

I count more posts than comments on UDs front page.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,18:40   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2011,15:34)
I like the metaphor, but the exact shape of the tree is probably an historical accident. It doesn't imply that the branches followed the only possible path.

Agreed.  Maybe more like a banyan tree, if we restrict the metaphor to only 3 dimensions.  Likely, the "tree"  has many more than 3 dimensions, so that even the "limbs" and "branches" are interconnected beyond the first branching point through the higher dimensionality.  The point of the metaphor is that looking at a lower dimensional slice doesn't show the interconnects.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,18:40   

Quote (REC @ Mar. 01 2011,17:50)
I count more posts than comments on UDs front page.

They're just being moderate.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2011,22:27   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2011,18:40)
   
Quote (REC @ Mar. 01 2011,17:50)
I count more posts than comments on UDs front page.

They're just being moderate.

This is a promissing sign: Soon after a phase of inflationary posts by Denyse O'Leary Overwhelming Evidence came to a standstill and even she finally ceased posting there. Unfortunately, UD doesn't provide user points but I am pretty sure it would look similar to the situation of OE before they gave up:



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2011,09:32   

Just a casual observation, but O'Leary posts almost never get comments. Nor do articles dealing with technical issues.

The only things that stir them up are political and theological rants.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2011,10:42   

d00d everyone knows how lame furries are.  participating in their threadery is the only thing more boring than reading it

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2011,11:13   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 02 2011,09:32)
Just a casual observation, but O'Leary posts almost never get comments. Nor do articles dealing with technical issues.

The only things that stir them up are political and theological rants.

That is because there is nothing left to say about ID - the philosophical arguments for and against were thrashed out long ago - there is no research, no discoveries, not even new points of view.

So we are left with gossip, half-understand comments about some aspect of the real science, and theological/political rants.  The last are the only ones with any possibility of saying something new.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2011,12:09   

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d00d everyone knows how lame furries are.  participating in their threadery is the only thing more boring than reading it

This one's for you, Ras:



I had to share the pain.  Thank you, I'm feeling better now.

ETA: At first I thought "She's sweet, trying to give him what he wants."  Then I switched to "Grow some self-esteem and tell him if that's what he wants then he should man up and try it with the real cat."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2011,15:39   

those are furries?  i thought real furries were like louis' mom.  i'll let you finish the analogy, it's a doozy

what about this sad little piece of projection

 
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Barry Arrington

Theist:  You say there is no God.

Evolutionary Materialist [EM]:  Yes.

Theist:  Yet belief in God among many (if not most) humans persists.

EM:  I cannot deny that.

Theist:  How do you explain that?

EM:  Religious belief is an evolutionary adaption.

Theist:  But you say religious belief is false.

EM:  That’s correct.

Theist:  Let me get this straight.  According to you, religious belief has at least two characterizes:  (1) it is false; and (2) evolution selected for it.

EM [looking a little pale now, because he’s just figured out where this is going]:  Correct.  

Theist:  You believe the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis [NDS] is true.

EM:  Of course.

Theist:  How do you know your belief in NDS is not another false belief that evolution has selected for?

EM:  ____

Our materialist friends are invited to fill in the blank.


Gay Hitler EvoMaterialistfag:  "Um I don't give that sort of horseshit much thought, really now fuck off I am trying to masturbate into this box of communion wafers and then rape this baby i strangled before i get some high school science teachers fired and reject this manuscript about ticks and watermelons"

Fuck barry if it makes you feel better instead of "evolution selected for it" say "herp derp derp".  that's what we hear anyway pal.



Edited by Lou FCD on Mar. 04 2011,12:45

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2011,15:47   

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Gay Hitler EvoMaterialistfag:  "Um I don't give that sort of horseshit much thought, really now fuck off I am trying to masturbate into this box of communion wafers and then rape this baby i strangled before i get some high school science teachers fired and reject this manuscript about ticks and watermelons"


Ras, I know it's bad, baaad, baaaaad, but this is the kind of glory that makes me want to have buttsecks with you...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2011,15:49   

waterloo bitches!

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