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lcd



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,06:45   

Tried as I did, I wasn't the first, last or anywhere on the 1000th page.  But at least I'll be on the 1st page of the new thread.

As for UD running out, on the contrary.  I think by the 1000th page we'll see more coming out of ID inspired research than ever before, that is if the Ivory Tower elite and government "yes men" to those people are really interested in science and not just perpetuating a new religious dogma from the Church of Darwin.

As for Ms. Weaver, I never knew she was or is married or that she has a kid.  I was speculating if Ghostbusters were real, I want to be Venkman.  As for having a crush on someone, I'm pretty sure I've violated no Commandment.  The idea that I secretly "coveted thy neighbor's wife", may be applicable, if I was really out to do such a thing and I did know that she was married.  Sorry, but I don't watch ET or any other of those shows.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,06:47   

It's just unseemly for the front page of this new thread to have no comments from the tardmine. So here is zephyr, expressing the righteous indignation that we know and love.  
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There is something so incredibly arrogant and self-righteous about this Altenberg meet/affair (whatever they want to call it). As if the recognition by an assorted group of scientists, academics and philosophers, that the neo-Darwinain synthesis bites off a whole lot more than it can chew, to understate the case immeasureably, means that it is now fair game to be challenged on scientific grounds, all of a sudden! (because it has the blessings, the seal of approval of the Altenberg 16 you see).

That's right. How dare those scientists and philosophers get together to discuss science and philosophy without asking KF, or BA^77, or zephyr? And why haven't there been challenges "on scientific grounds" for the past 150 years? Why haven't they published any papers testing the theory, like the UDers are doing on a daily basis?

UD has been running on fumes since it started. I suspect that it will continue to run that way for a long time.

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lcd



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,06:48   

NO!  My chance for immortality ruined!  I'm not on the 1st page of this new thread.  I had a chance, two chances for fleeting immortality and both are gone!

Oh the shame.

How will I ever overcome it?

Coffee, yes, coffee will do it.  Ok, better now.

May it be a joyous day for all of you.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,06:53   

We need one of these!  Wired magazine reports that the McCain campaign is using software from Versionista to check Obama's official web site every hour or two to "...track and cache changes to specific web pages up to an hourly basis..."

They show two versions of Obama's web page, before and after some remarks were deleted.  This could be BIG for UD watchers!  An automated Dembski tracker!  I wish I had known about this, I could have volunteered ATBC as a beta tester.
Wired article.  Versionista web site.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,07:03   

LCD wrote, above:

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Oh the shame.


That reminded me of somebody from waaaay back:   :)


  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,07:05   

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Let me say, some "so-called" scientists have said this vein of Tard was exhausted. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers...

I admit, sometimes I'll be digging deep within the mine, hoping against hope to find some tard at the bottom of some endless shaft of impenetrable kairosfocus. <cough> It's easy to give up and lie down, buried deep within the tard. Or fly up towards the fresh air and sunlight of the world. But it's down there. <cough, cough> I tell you. <gasp> Tard's there—and it will always be there. <hacking>



<coughing fit>

Congratulations on 29999.

<gurgling>

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dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,07:34   

Well, the APS Physics and Society rag has asked for papers debating the science, then kicked it off with ...

A piece from Lord Monckton, who to climate science is roughly equivalent to Behe to evolutionary science.

Bah.

  
olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,07:39   

Card-carrying member of the APS here.  :angry:

Lord Monckton, whose opinion article appeared in the July issue of the APS Forum on Physics & Society is neither a physicist, nor an APS member, so his letter doesn't signify any change in the APS stance on the matter.  By printing his letter the APS simply shows that it isn't afraid of debating the issue on scientific terms (it is a scientific organization, not a political one).

Monckton's letter is quite revealing.  He throws in a bunch of equations to undermine the conclusions of the IPCC.  But science doesn't matter much to him.  Read his concluding remarks to see what it is all about.  
 
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Even if temperature had risen above natural variability, the recent solar Grand Maximum may have been chiefly responsible. Even if the sun were not chiefly to blame for the past half-century’s warming, the IPCC has not demonstrated that, since CO2 occupies only one-ten-thousandth part more of the atmosphere that it did in 1750, it has contributed more than a small fraction of the warming. Even if carbon dioxide were chiefly responsible for the warming that ceased in 1998 and may not resume until 2015, the distinctive, projected fingerprint of anthropogenic “greenhouse-gas” warming is entirely absent from the observed record. Even if the fingerprint were present, computer models are long proven to be inherently incapable of providing projections of the future state of the climate that are sound enough for policymaking. Even if per impossibilethe models could ever become reliable, the present paper demonstrates that it is not at all likely that the world will warm as much as the IPCC imagines. Even if the world were to warm that much, the overwhelming majority of the scientific, peer-reviewed literature does not predict that catastrophe would ensue. Even if catastrophe might ensue, even the most drastic proposals to mitigate future climate change by reducing emissions of carbon dioxide would make very little difference to the climate. Even if mitigation were likely to be effective, it would do more harm than good: already millions face starvation as the dash for biofuels takes agricultural land out of essential food production: a warning that taking precautions, “just in case”, can do untold harm unless there is a sound, scientific basis for them. Finally, even if mitigation might do more good than harm, adaptation as (and if) necessary would be far more cost-effective and less likely to be harmful.

See, he starts with a full denial of the warming trend, a position abandoned even by the most hardened GW skeptics, and then presents a dozen fallback positions that leave no doubt where he is coming from.  

And in fact, he isn't even sure his equations work!
 
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In short, we must get the science right, or we shall get the policy wrong. If the concluding equation in this analysis (Eqn. 30) is correct, the IPCC’s estimates of climate sensitivity must have been very much exaggerated. There may, therefore, be a good reason why, contrary to the projections of the models on which the IPCC relies, temperatures have not risen for a decade and have been falling since the phase-transition in global temperature trends that occurred in late 2001. Perhaps real-world climate sensitivity is very much below the IPCC’s estimates. Perhaps, therefore, there is no “climate crisis” at all. At present, then, in policy terms there is no case for doing anything. The correct policy approach to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing.

What else would one expect from Maggie Thatcher's policy advisor?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,07:40   

Quote (lcd @ July 18 2008,04:45)
As for having a crush on someone, I'm pretty sure I've violated no Commandment.

Only if it's a chaste crush.  Otherwise Jesus wags his finger at you:
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But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.  (Matthew 5:28, KJV)


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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,07:57   

Quote (lcd @ July 18 2008,06:45)
As for UD running out, on the contrary.  I think by the 1000th page we'll see more coming out of ID inspired research than ever before

That won't take much.  Any data from ID inspired "research" will be the first of its kind.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,07:57   

Quote (lcd @ July 18 2008,06:45)

As for UD running out, on the contrary.  I think by the 1000th page we'll see more coming out of ID inspired research than ever before

To bad ID isn't science hmm? Let them start by gétting scientific first, and then *gasp* produce some research and actual evidence.
   
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that is if the Ivory Tower elite and government "yes men" to those people are really interested in science and not just perpetuating a new religious dogma from the Church of Darwin.

I thought Jesus didn't like lying? Couple of things:
A: Science isn't an ivory tower, scientists are eager to share there knowledge and experience to people who are nog arrogant quaks. The only thing they would like, is for people to show some effort, and ofcourse not be arrogant quaks.
B: Have you forgotten the 150 years of research and data áfter Darwin?
C: Do you actually know whý Darwin's theory is still around?
I haven't seen a lot of the UD thread, but what I've seen I enjoy, and it sure teaches me a lot.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,08:11   

Quote (lcd @ July 18 2008,06:45)
I think by the 1000th page we'll see more coming out of ID inspired research than ever before, that is if the Ivory Tower elite and government "yes men" to those people are really interested in science and not just perpetuating a new religious dogma from the Church of Darwin.

Could you put names to them please?

If you know they are doing what you are saying they are doing you must have specific examples of it being done?

Ivory Tower elite?
Government "yes men"

Anything in specific other then vague conspiracy type mumblings?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,08:20   

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And can we get a show of hands....... how many people have read damn near every word of part I of the Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread? I would be one. I'm sure I haven't missed more than 20 or 30 pages - and possibly none. Rather daunting, really, in retrospect.

I'm pretty sure I've read the whole damn thing as I started hanging out here just after Dover and got addicted.

It's been interesting to see how the activity on this thread has waxed and waned over time. It'd be lovely to see the posting activity plotted over time to see what events caused the most kerfuffle.
Any volunteers?  :D

I'd like to echo the comments of others and express my thanks to all those who enter the tardmines.
As to UD finishing... well as lcd kindly points out the ID revolution is really close now.
I mean really, really close.
Really, really, really close.
Any day now.
Just you wait!
Honest.


What's the time on the Dembski clock again?
Oh yes.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,09:16   

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As for UD running out, on the contrary.  I think by the 1000th page we'll see more coming out of ID inspired research than ever before...

I'm thinking one paper would be sufficient to make that happen.

Still, even as low as you've set the bar, I doubt it's a hurdle the Intelligent Design Creationism Hoax will overcome.

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,09:20   

Hey, I think it's Dr. Dr. D's birthday today!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,09:44   

Earlier on, somebody thought a Viking funeral would be a good idea.  Me too.  Here ya go, eh!!


  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,09:45   

I gots me a suggestion.  Can one of you rocket scientists make the 1000 page tard shrine a sticky so it does not sink to the bottom of this vast sea of tardology?  

That would be swell.  Something so sacred doesn't deserve to become food for bottom feeding tardologists.  

Chris

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,10:13   

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Earlier on, somebody thought a Viking funeral would be a good idea

Oh, my, showing my age ... the Purple People Eaters.

One of those dudes ended up as a State Supreme Court Justice in Minnesota.  Talking about justice being swift and harsh ...

  
jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,10:44   

Yes, indeed.  Judge Page is currently the Chief Justice of Minnesota's Supreme Court.  Good call!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,11:31   

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Hey, I think it's Dr. Dr. D's birthday today!

I had planned on getting him a New Bucket O'Tard, but the demand on Tard by the UD Denizens, in combination with this being a Presidential Election has driven the price up higer than a Casey Luskin squeek.

Maybe a Guest Pass at the World Famous Baylor Cafeteria would be better.

Please discuss YOUR ideas for This Special, Special Day!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,11:47   

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FtK
07/18/2008
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Hey, Bill…HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Have a great one…

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Thanks FtK. Nice of you to remember. –Bill

Credit where credit is due.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,11:54   

I see we have another contributor from Weatherfield ;)
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,11:56   

Thanks, boys!!  Goodness knows you people are up on your birthdays!!!  And, Icky of all people points it out...who'd of thunk it.

;)  ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,12:40   

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Thanks, boys!!  Goodness knows you people are up on your birthdays!!!  And, Icky of all people points it out...who'd of thunk it.

;)  ;)

Yeah, who would 'of' thunk it.

Think Bill deserves a BIRTHDAY THREAD here? Or is that just too perverted?   :O

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,12:41   

For his birthday, why don't we send the Dr Dr a copy of the full, original UD thread?  You know, something to show how much we care.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,12:50   

Or a framed copy of that 139 page court ruling where Dembski did his very convincing coward impersonation.  I think Dr Dr would enjoy that.

Or we could make a birthday farty video...

Happy birthday Dr Dr!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,12:52   

Quote (lcd @ July 18 2008,07:45)
As for UD running out, on the contrary.  I think by the 1000th page we'll see more coming out of ID inspired research than ever before, that is if the Ivory Tower elite and government "yes men" to those people are really interested in science and not just perpetuating a new religious dogma from the Church of Darwin.

So, as many years as they've had - when do they ever plan to start doing ID inspired research?

As far as government yes-men - you realize the current government is notorious for trying to stifle science, yes?

You guys are great - I'd really never imagined people could be so clueless about the world around them until I ran into IDers. You know nothing about biology, you know nothing about physics, you know nothing about science in general.

But you are sure you know better than all the scientists!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,13:15   

moved to Dr. dr. BD Thread

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,13:25   

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Thanks, boys!!  Goodness knows you people are up on your birthdays!!!  And, Icky of all people points it out...who'd of thunk it.

;)  ;)

Yeah, who would 'of' thunk it.

Think Bill deserves a BIRTHDAY THREAD here? Or is that just too perverted?   :O

You know, I WAS thinking about doing that... BUT, then again, it seemed so wrong...

Can we teach both sides?

Yeah, start a birthday thread and make it a real challenge.  Try to actually say something nice about him or to him.

Kind...not devisive.  Like, pick out an outfit that you think he looks nice in to make up for all the times you've poked fun of his sweater, etc., etc.

Love,

Miss Crabtree

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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2008,13:41   

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For his birthday, why don't we send the Dr Dr a copy of the full, original UD thread?  You know, something to show how much we care.

The director's cut, on DVD and Blu-ray, including all the posts that got bounced to the BW.

And, uh, a "Mature Content" warning label on the shrink-wrap.

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