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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,08:23   

Louis wrote:

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I can't understand why, he was such a quiet, nice man.


Well, except for milking the cows, he did do most of his work at night. . . . .

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I understand he was very attatched to his mother.....


The old dear always did want to see him in the movies.

;)

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,08:47   

Quote (jeffox @ July 23 2008,14:23)
Louis wrote:

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I can't understand why, he was such a quiet, nice man.


Well, except for milking the cows, he did do most of his work at night. . . . .

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I understand he was very attatched to his mother.....


The old dear always did want to see him in the movies.

;)

Very strict religious lady from what I heard.....

Dunno why I thought of that. ;-)

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,09:15   

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deadman_932: I don't give a shit about Bentley's tattoos or his World Wrestling Federation -style revivalist hucksterism, but *the idea that Dembski was so desperate and so fucking stupid as to bother to GO for Bentley's shit is telling,*
particularly when he was apparently already aware of the less-than-credible aspects of Bentley's little act.
Dembski is constitutionally unable to spot a con-man or a faker. †
Which explains a lot.

To his credit, he mentioned the experience on UD here †and he did say he thought this particular faker was probably a faker from the beginning. †Probably the tatoos.

Keep in mind Dembski also believes in the bible code and also believes that angels are as real as you and I.  

His favorite co-author believes Sun Myung Moon is the second coming of Jesus (Jesus v2.0).

Dembski is not just a con-man, he's a kook too.

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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,09:25   

Louis wrote:

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Very strict religious lady from what I heard.....


Quite, from what I understand.  There are some good bios on the intertubes, eh.   Oh, and I would conclude that you have quite excellent hearing - what with Wisconsin and Britain being ohhhh, a few miles away from each other.   :)

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,09:31   

Quote (jeffox @ July 23 2008,15:25)
Louis wrote:

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Very strict religious lady from what I heard.....


Quite, from what I understand. †There are some good bios on the intertubes, eh. † Oh, and I would conclude that you have quite excellent hearing - what with Wisconsin and Britain being ohhhh, a few miles away from each other. † :)

Indeed so. And not only that, something of a time traveller!

Oh well, enough merriment. Relevance! I crave vague relevance! I feel sorry for Dembski. It can't be pleasant to be in his shoes. Or his cardigan for that matter. Desperation can drive people to some strange places. I hope his kid gets better.

Louis

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Advocatus Diaboli



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,09:58   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ July 23 2008,09:15)
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 23 2008,04:20)
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deadman_932: I don't give a shit about Bentley's tattoos or his World Wrestling Federation -style revivalist hucksterism, but *the idea that Dembski was so desperate and so fucking stupid as to bother to GO for Bentley's shit is telling,*
particularly when he was apparently already aware of the less-than-credible aspects of Bentley's little act.
Dembski is constitutionally unable to spot a con-man or a faker. †
Which explains a lot.

To his credit, he mentioned the experience on UD here †and he did say he thought this particular faker was probably a faker from the beginning. †Probably the tatoos.

Keep in mind Dembski also believes in the bible code and also believes that angels are as real as you and I. †

His favorite co-author believes Sun Myung Moon is the second coming of Jesus (Jesus v2.0).

Dembski is not just a con-man, he's a kook too.

A perfect example of crank magnetism. No wonder the word fits him. Dembski and UD were the inspiration for the term.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,10:09   

What's worse is that he parades his 'open-mind' as a virtue that makes him superior to the likes of "Richard Dawkins, Michael Shermer, James Randi, and the skeptical community in general."

Unlike them he supported the fakir by going to his show and contributing.  As spammers know full well, you don't need many responses to make money.

Gullibility is not a virtue.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,13:40   

Hm, clearly I should have checked if Billy had written up his misadventure for the U-Dolts, so's I wouldn't be rehashing old tard.

The larger point is what others have noted: that Dembski's desire to believe in majick overrides his rationality. †

Nature deals his son a harsh hand. Billy feels like Job being tested. Yet suffering redeems man, Dembski writes in his .PDF (theodicy) on The Problem of Evil.

Yea, we are all sinners because of the fall -- despite the Bible saying (in at least 3 places) that the sins of the father will not be visited on their offspring. More cognitive dissonance for Billy.

But God is merciful! Billy seeks an intermediary to placate his angry Deity

So it's on to the mummery of a charlatan, family in tow, because reality is hard and majick has that lustrous allure. †

Comedy and tragedy all once again rolled in another Dembskian episode. I feel sorry for the kid, but I have little sympathy for Billy's view of the world.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,13:41   

Quote (Quidam @ July 23 2008,10:09)
Gullibility is not a virtue.

Nice line! I believe I will borrow that for a while...

I'll give it back later, okay?

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,14:42   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ July 23 2008,08:15)
His favorite co-author believes Sun Myung Moon is the second coming of Jesus (Jesus v2.0).

You'd think Jesus V2.0.01 would be able to keep a helicopter flying


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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,14:48   

Quote (Quidam @ July 23 2008,14:42)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ July 23 2008,08:15)
His favorite co-author believes Sun Myung Moon is the second coming of Jesus (Jesus v2.0).

You'd think Jesus V2.0.01 would be able to keep a helicopter flying

Remember that Jesus 2.0 is still in beta or even just alpha stage, and not yet available for retail.

  
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,15:05   

Probably needs to be nailed to a tree to get the bugs out.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,16:39   

Dembski was pleased to learn he was a Chick Magnet.

Unfortunately for Dembski, though, he turned out to be a Jack Chick Magnet.

  
Marion Delgado



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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,16:41   

Quote (stevestory @ July 22 2008,11:38)
Davetard said:
 
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Now get busy. I didnít spend 25 years making networked computers into cheap household appliances so you can squander your time bashing creationists. I did it so you can process, correlate, and share the growing mountain of information needed to reverse-engineer the simplest cells (plus the money was really really good and it was fun too).


He claims credit for the desktop computer revolution, and also says he did it to advance the field of bioinformatics? Even at UD, who would possibly believe those lies?

stevestory:

DaveScot has incurable delusory randosis (also called delusory cleptosocialitis) it's a chronic condition not amenable to treatment.

The sufferer believes him or herself to be a heroic omniachieving genius surrounded by inferior socialist parasites. Because so many suffered from Nietzschean and even Hitlerian delusions, it was originally believed to be an organic condition caused by a spirochete like syphillis. With the advent of Objectivism, it turned up in epidemic proportions in people who had never had sexual or any other sort of physical contact with other human beings, and was formally named and classified as a mental illness with the DSM III.

Narcissistic confabulation is a tell-tale. Also look for incoherent swaggering.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,17:42   

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With the advent of Objectivism, it turned up in epidemic proportions in people who had never had sexual or any other sort of physical contact with other human beings, and was formally named and classified as a mental illness with the DSM III.

Expect a new epidemic if Atlas Shrugged gets made with Angelina Jolie in the role of Dagny Taggart.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,00:06   

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sweet little Eddie Gein over there?


FYI, "crazy ol' Eddie" lived about 2 1/2 hours east of where I am right now. †To this day, dropping his name within earshot of many Wisconsinites (/cheeseheads) will result a major conversational black hole.

Just so's ya know. † †:) † †:) † :)

Gotcha beat. †He lived 20 minutes south of my home town - in the town my mother was born in. †I was in grade school at the time and we innocent little tykes took it really hard. †

Typical joke:
"Did you hear about the new book by Ed Gein?" †
"No. †What's it called?" †
"How to get ahead."

It was years later that I found that my parents were checking to see if Mom's mother's grave was one of those desecrated. †It wasn't. †Nothing interesting ever happens in my family.

Meanwhile, the Gein tradition lives on in Wisconsin.

My favorite line in the above link: "Police say the three men, carrying shovels, a crowbar and a box of condoms..."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,01:39   

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I went back and read what Davetard said and it's worse than I knew:
   
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The Altenberg 16 are just beginning to realize how vast is the scope of epigenetic information.


He doesn't just think he knows more about epigenetics than a biology grad student, he thinks he knows more about epigenetics than 16 of the world's best biologists. That's not just dense. That's Uncommonly Denseô.

Well, how many of them read hard science fiction and subscribe to have their wives subscribe to Scientific American?

If anyone wants to read about epigenetics from a biology expert's point of view, PZ has a good discussion here. About 5 years ago when I first heard about epigenetics via methylation of DNA it really surprised me. Very interesting stuff.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,01:45   

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I like BINGO too, but this card is a loser!




I have to add my compliments on this too. That card is definitely Post of the Week of the Day. Kudos Dave.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,01:53   

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21 July 2008
PZ Myers and Abbie Smith - An Hour of No Cursing!
DaveScot

PZ Myers and Abbie Smith have an hour-long video conference here. A few surprising things, not the least of which is neither of them thought to bolster their points with the cussing that characterizes their blogs.


Oh lordy! Abbie said cuss words! I believe I'm comin' down with tha vapohs!!!!!!!

Hey Dave--Abbie's problem isn't with cussing. It's her deranged lack of apostrophes. Get with the program, numbnuts.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,01:56   

I've said this before, but while Heddle's amateur philosophy is annoying, when it comes to Dembski and the pretentions of ID, Dave can really twist the knife.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,02:04   

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21 July 2008
PZ Myers and Abbie Smith - An Hour of No Cursing!
DaveScot

PZ Myers and Abbie Smith have an hour-long video conference here. A few surprising things, not the least of which is neither of them thought to bolster their points with the cussing that characterizes their blogs.


Oh lordy! Abbie said cuss words! I believe I'm comin' down with tha vapohs!!!!!!!

Hey Dave--Abbie's problem isn't with cussing. It's her deranged lack of apostrophes. Get with the program, numbnuts.

Of course Dave has never been known to utter an unclean word.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,12:25   

Oh no, truckloads of Brites photos lab equipment will have to be moved back to campus.

Edited for typos.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,12:27   

I now know where Denyse gets her inspiration from:

Peacocks

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Their problem is most likely this: Once we confess that the obvious flim flam is not science, we will inevitably go on to address other questionable items, like the peacockís tale and the Monarch-Viceroy butterfly mimicry puzzle.


She is listening to Peacock stories, silly.

(Yes typos are common, we all make them, and pointing them out isn't clever)

The post is a waste of server space but the big thing is there is no mention of buy my book! Amazing.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,13:10   

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Oh no, truckloads of Brites photos lab equipment will have to be moved back to campus.

Edited for typos.

I think Bill is hoping the departure of Lilley means he'll get his foot back in the door. Or in the cafeteria, as it were.

Of course, at one point Bill thought that Bill O'Reilly was going to come to his rescue as well.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,13:53   

My mother was the accountant for the owner of the apartment complex where Dahmer lived.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,14:45   

I hope at some point someone gives them a lab and funding for a year. Then they wont have *that* excuse. In Dembski's recent musings, he seems to suggest that he wants them thar younguns to do the "ID science", presumably because he doesn't have a clue where to go with it. No mechanisms, no hypothesis, only "if not chance and necessity, then design"

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,14:56   

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I hope at some point someone gives them a lab and funding for a year. Then they wont have *that* excuse. In Dembski's recent musings, he seems to suggest that he wants them thar younguns to do the "ID science", presumably because he doesn't have a clue where to go with it. No mechanisms, no hypothesis, only "if not chance and necessity, then design"

Fit the lab out with cameras and it'd pay for itself.

Who stays? Who goes?

I'd pay hard $$ to be a fly on the wall on that first meeting on day one. Web-cam tard! It's about time.

So, anybody got any, ideas? Stuff is complex...

I bet they'd find themselves making and drinking alot of tea...

Funny to see you in the kitchen again! Our meetings must be intelligently designed chortle!

Then the infighting starts!

etc.

Imagine the sweaters they'd have on under the lab coats!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,15:34   

The lab should be in Portmeirion / the island...



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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,16:54   

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Of course Dave has never been known to utter an unclean word.

Dave is famous for saying "when in Rome, do as the Romans do.."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22when+in+rome%22+davescot

I wish he'd visited it in ye olde times..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,16:59   

Now Dennis is an expert on university politics as well as cruelty to language.

I vaguely recall that Lilley's tenure denials were something of a reaction to higher levels of tenure acceptances in prior years, a reversion to the mean.

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