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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2010,04:24   

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Prof Michael Behe combines the skill of careful research scientist with that of popular communicator. †His lectures are informative, entertaining, lavishly-illustrated and entirely accessible to the layman. †He is also at ease with questions from his audience.

Here's the list of dates: http://www.darwinordesign.org.uk/index.p....emid=28

I might be able to get to the SUNDAY November 21st - 2.30pm showing. At least it's free! They want £50 for the Oxford date!

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Does the complexity of the tiny machines in the cell show that a Divine designer produced life? †Or, is the US biology scientist simply a maverick at odds with real science?

Come along to decide for yourself.


Anyone else thinking about seeing the great scientist in person?

My question will be "When was the last time you were in a lab and what were you doing?"

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2010,05:21   

must read:

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2010/10/edge-of-evolution.html

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2010,07:57   

I would like to see someone... let's call him "Louis" - arrest Behe for violating the laws against "Silly Talks".

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2010,16:37   

I'd ask him why if he believes in Academic freedom why does he keep his son in the basement for disagreeing with him.

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2010,17:48   

I've already asked the organizers if they approved of Behe saying that Astrology is science.

Shockingly, I haven't received an answer.

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Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2010,21:49   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 08 2010,13:57)
I would like to see someone... let's call him "Louis" - arrest Behe for violating the laws against "Silly Talks".

I am pre-banninated.

After a piece of recent unfortunate business there's been a bit of attention from the various Security Services. Nothing too serious. I'm sure it'll all be sorted out soon and they'll stop torturing me any time now. I think they misunderstood my intentions, I merely made the comment that if bashing the bishop was fun, maybe I should try pulverising the pope. This was not taken in the spirit it was intended, and coincided with the recent visit of Il Papa. Some officers felt my remarks showed dangerously dissident tendancies or something.

Louis

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2010,23:25   

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I've already asked the organizers if they approved of Behe saying that Astrology is science.

Shockingly, I haven't received an answer.

Oh, the answer to that is in the stars.

Henry

  
Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2010,10:38   

You could ask him about this:

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Understanding how protein structures and functions have diversified is a central goal in molecular evolution. Surveys of very divergent proteins from model organisms, however, are often insufficient to determine the features of ancestral proteins and to reveal the evolutionary events that yielded extant diversity. Here we combine genomic, biochemical, functional, structural, and phylogenetic analyses to reconstruct the early evolution of nuclear receptors (NRs), a diverse superfamily of transcriptional regulators that play key roles in animal development, physiology, and reproduction. By inferring the structure and functions of the ancestral NR, we showócontrary to current beliefóthat NRs evolved from a ligand-activated ancestral receptor that existed near the base of the Metazoa, with fatty acids as possible ancestral ligands. Evolutionary tinkering with this ancestral structure generated the extraordinary diversity of modern receptors: sensitivity to different ligands evolved because of subtle modifications of the internal cavity, and ligand-independent activation evolved repeatedly because of various mutations that stabilized the active conformation in the absence of ligand. Our findings illustrate how a mechanistic dissection of protein evolution in a phylogenetic context can reveal the deep homology that links apparently ďnovelĒ molecular functions to a common ancestral form.


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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2010,08:28   

He's in Belfast on the 24th November.

Why was P.Z.'s talk at QUB free yet, Behe is charging £6.50 (apparently we get a free DVD if we book online)

  
Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2010,08:30   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 08 2010,23:25)
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I've already asked the organizers if they approved of Behe saying that Astrology is science.

Shockingly, I haven't received an answer.

Oh, the answer to that is in the stars.

Henry

Gosh Henry, I wonder if the Crescent Church know about that one !

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2010,22:25   

Slightly off topic, but this seems to be the most relevant thread.

This headline has been sitting on my Google News page for over a week now:

UK Centre for Intelligent Design claims it will focus on science, not religion

Today it was joined by this one, referring to the same outfit:

Would you Adam and Eve it? Top scientists tell Scottish pupils: the Bible is true

Surely some mistake!

Edit: fixed second link

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2010,01:41   

Quote (afarensis @ Oct. 09 2010,10:38)
You could ask him about this:

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Understanding how protein structures and functions have diversified is a central goal in molecular evolution. Surveys of very divergent proteins from model organisms, however, are often insufficient to determine the features of ancestral proteins and to reveal the evolutionary events that yielded extant diversity. Here we combine genomic, biochemical, functional, structural, and phylogenetic analyses to reconstruct the early evolution of nuclear receptors (NRs), a diverse superfamily of transcriptional regulators that play key roles in animal development, physiology, and reproduction. By inferring the structure and functions of the ancestral NR, we showócontrary to current beliefóthat NRs evolved from a ligand-activated ancestral receptor that existed near the base of the Metazoa, with fatty acids as possible ancestral ligands. Evolutionary tinkering with this ancestral structure generated the extraordinary diversity of modern receptors: sensitivity to different ligands evolved because of subtle modifications of the internal cavity, and ligand-independent activation evolved repeatedly because of various mutations that stabilized the active conformation in the absence of ligand. Our findings illustrate how a mechanistic dissection of protein evolution in a phylogenetic context can reveal the deep homology that links apparently ďnovelĒ molecular functions to a common ancestral form.

I didn't read it all through but enough to get the gist and it looked real good, but anyway swearing in church is frowned upon.

EDIT: Slight rephrasing.

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BillB



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2010,06:45   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 11 2010,04:25)
Slightly off topic, but this seems to be the most relevant thread.

This headline has been sitting on my Google News page for over a week now:

UK Centre for Intelligent Design claims it will focus on science, not religion

Today it was joined by [URL=http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/education/would-you-adam-and-eve-it-top-scientists-tell-scottish-pupils-the-bible-is-true-1.1060545?


localLinksEnabled=false]this one[/URL], referring to the same outfit:

Would you Adam and Eve it? Top scientists tell Scottish pupils: the Bible is true

Surely some mistake!

Edit: fixed second link

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They are among Scotlandís most eminent scientists

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, headed by a Northern Irish professor of genetics, a vice-president of the Royal College of Physicians and a former school inspector,

I count one scientist ...
So no, they aren't "among Scotlandís most eminent scientists"

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2010,09:38   

Of course, "among scientists" could mean in the same room or building with them... :p

  
Gunthernacus



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2010,11:00   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 10 2010,23:25)
Slightly off topic, but this seems to be the most relevant thread.

This headline has been sitting on my Google News page for over a week now:

UK Centre for Intelligent Design claims it will focus on science, not religion

Today it was joined by [URL=http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/education/would-you-adam-and-eve-it-top-scientists-tell-scottish-pupils-the-bible-is-true-1.1060545?




localLinksEnabled=false]this one[/URL], referring to the same outfit:

Would you Adam and Eve it? Top scientists tell Scottish pupils: the Bible is true

Surely some mistake!

Edit: fixed second link

The photo caption in the fist article: †
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Dr Alastair Noble, director of the Centre for Intelligent Design in Glasgow, says ID is 'consistently misrepresented as a religious position'

From the second article: †
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ďWe are definitely not targeting schools...Ē Dr Noble said...

And then: †
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Dr Alastair Noble is...currently education officer for CARE, a Christian charity which campaigns for more faith teaching in schools.

One measure of a paper's significance is the number of times it is cited by the subsequent literature:
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[The Centre for Intelligent Design]'s president, Professor Norman Nevin OBE Ė a geneticist at Queenís University in Belfast Ė told a meeting in the city earlier this year he believed Adam was ďa real historical personĒ. He also said: ďGenesis chapter 1-11, which indeed many Darwinists and evolutionists say is myth or legend, I believe is historical, and it is cited 107 times in the New Testament, and Jesus refers himself to the early chapters of Genesis at least 25 times.Ē

ASSF!

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BillB



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2010,11:29   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 11 2010,15:38)
Of course, "among scientists" could mean in the same room or building with them... :p

Or just in Scotland

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2010,14:53   

Quote (BillB @ Oct. 11 2010,11:29)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 11 2010,15:38)
Of course, "among scientists" could mean in the same room or building with them... :p

Or just in Scotland

The Quest for "The UK Centre for Intelligent Design" - failed

So I went to this address as found on their website:

The Wheatsheaf
Speirs Wharf
Glasgow















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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2010,21:26   

Katterina - You ROCK*!  Outstanding research and pics.
It looks like the  IDCreationist abroad are every bit as serious about doing that sciencey stuff as they are in the USA.



* Of course Scotland is the home of James Hutton and Siccar Point, and Geology. :)

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UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2010,08:15   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 20 2010,22:26)
It looks like the †IDCreationist abroad are every bit as serious about doing that sciencey stuff as they are in the USA.

They are serious.  Their research has led them to develop TARDIS technology, thus giving them infinite research capacity inside whilst keeping a low profile on the outside.

Darwinism is doomed, I tell you.  Doomed!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2010,11:40   

It's alright, we know about it.  Nice photos Kattarina, they emphasise how badly run this organisation is, being no more than a front for YEC's.  

The glasgow meeting is only £6 so I'd be tempted to go to that.  Anyone else want to?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2010,11:58   

Quote (guthrie @ Oct. 21 2010,11:40)
It's alright, we know about it. †Nice photos Kattarina, they emphasise how badly run this organisation is, being no more than a front for YEC's. †

The glasgow meeting is only £6 so I'd be tempted to go to that. †Anyone else want to?

Take some of these "babags" wit yees:

Taysiders In Space

edited to remove slow loading jpeg

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2010,12:39   

Quote (guthrie @ Oct. 21 2010,11:40)
It's alright, we know about it. †Nice photos Kattarina, they emphasise how badly run this organisation is, being no more than a front for YEC's. †

The glasgow meeting is only £6 so I'd be tempted to go to that. †Anyone else want to?

I'd love to go ... am really severly tempted to book a flight. Must check my bank account!
I'm wondering how the postie is supposed to find them. I guess that the "mission" allows them to have their letters sent to them.

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2010,18:12   

That kin dof building will probably either have someone on a front desk who'll take the mail, or else pigeon holes for each company.  Thus, no problem at all.  Do we know whose name they are renting under?

I thought its usually spelt 'bawbag' or ba'bag.  Missing the ll's.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2011,22:37   

HAHA UK Darwinists! UKCfID is at it again.

First UK Summer School on Intelligent Design, Malvern, Worcestershire, in July 2011!
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Prof Steve Fuller, Warwick University
Prof Guillermo Gonzales, Grove City College, Pennsylvania, USA
Dr David Galloway, Vice President Royal College of Surgeons, Glasgow
John Langlois, Barrister
Dr Alastair Noble, Director, Centre for Intelligent Design, Glasgow.
Prof Chris Shaw, Queens University, Belfast.
Dr Jonathan Wells, Discovery Institute, Seattle, USA
David Williams, Lawyer

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Because of professional sensitivities, participation in the conference will be handled in strict confidence and with anonymity.


2011 UK ID Conference in September! BOOK NOW!
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World-class speakers for up to five sessions bring the scientific evidence that is making ID an unstoppable movement, world-wide!

Dr Geoff Barnard Genetics Israel
Prof Chris Shaw Biochemistry N Ireland
Dr Jay Richards Philosphy[sic], Cosmology, Theology, Discovery Institute USA


I hadn't realized that Richards has burrowed quite so deep into the profit center that is rightwing US politics:
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Jay Richards is a Senior Fellow of the Discovery Institute and a Contributing Editor of The American at the American Enterprise Institute... has been a Visiting Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, and a Research Fellow and Director of Acton Media at the Acton Institute. ... His previous book was Money, Greed, and God: Why Capitalism Is the Solution and Not the Problem. ...executive producer of several documentaries, including The Call of the Entrepreneur, The Birth of Freedom, and Effective Stewardship

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2011,09:10   

Quote (JohnK @ June 17 2011,22:37)
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Because of professional sensitivities, participation in the conference will be handled in strict confidence and with anonymity.


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World-class speakers for up to five sessions bring the scientific evidence that is making ID an unstoppable movement, world-wide!

"Yes, we're an unstoppable worldwide movement, but we won't tell anyone you're associated with it."

Statement also applies to 9/11 truthers, Roswell aficionados, 'the CIA killed JFK,' 'QEII had Princess Di killed,' Elders of Zion, Moon Landing hoaxers, Project Rainbow, Paul McCartney is dead, Holocaust revisionism, the CIA created AIDS, and WE ARE LED BY REPTILES!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2011,18:11   

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David Williams, Lawyer

Why a lawyer? So that the participants can learn how to testify for the defense (unless, of course, weightier matters intervene to make their court appearance untenable)?

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2011,21:26   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 08 2010,04:24)
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Prof Michael Behe combines the skill of careful research scientist with that of popular communicator. †His lectures are informative, entertaining, lavishly-illustrated and entirely accessible to the layman. †He is also at ease with questions from his audience.

Here's the list of dates: http://www.darwinordesign.org.uk/index.p....emid=28

I might be able to get to the SUNDAY November 21st - 2.30pm showing. At least it's free! They want £50 for the Oxford date!

 
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Does the complexity of the tiny machines in the cell show that a Divine designer produced life? †Or, is the US biology scientist simply a maverick at odds with real science?

Come along to decide for yourself.


Anyone else thinking about seeing the great scientist in person?

My question will be "When was the last time you were in a lab and what were you doing?"

Um, this man has 9 children. Do you really want to ask that? ;)

I wonder how his "looks, walks, quacks = duck = induction" will go over in the land of erudition.

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