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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,07:40   

Poor Nick is not used to encountering sarcasm on UD

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NickMatzke_UDSeptember 20, 2011 at 7:22 pm
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Nick, you are missing the point. It’s only the irreducible part that can’t be reduced.


Someone please say what “the irreducible part” is for chemotaxis. JonathanM’s opening post doesn’t even try, and neither has anyone else. Yet the assertion has been made.

Chemotaxis just ain’t as hard as you guys think. Anything microscopic is already moving passively through Brownian motion, and anything that biases Brownian movement in the appropriate direction can cause chemotaxis. It’s been awhile since I reviewed this topic, but one thing I can remember is that things like nonliving vesicles can exhibit chemotaxis under pretty simple conditions.


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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,08:06   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 20 2011,23:38)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 20 2011,07:32)
DrBot [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-



impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400218]rubs StephenB's nose[/URL] in Lizzie's argument:
 
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Now where, StephenB, do they conclude that “abiogenesis is plausible”? They don’t, what they show is that the data supports their hypothesis, as stated in the paper, and that it fits into their own broader theory about abiogenesis.

Like DrBot, I am astounded at how difficult it is for StephenB and the rest of the IDiots to follow Lizzie's very clear explanation.  It's almost enough to make me want to study psychology.  The problem isn't low intelligence, although that does contribute in some cases, or lack of education, ditto, but a deeply ingrained inability to recognize facts that contradict their views.  Frustrating, but fascinating.

It does make me more cognizant of when I might be reinforcing my own biases, though, so clearly my tard addiction is good for me.

There is an explanation for this observation.  It's not that the UDders don't understand the arguments and data being presented, however, it's precisely that they DO understand.

They aren't so much stupid, joseph and JoeG and FL and Dense excluded, as they are dishonest.  Yes, I'm talking about you ba77, you creep.

Notice how they'll bumble along until someone like Liz actually provides a link to a relevant resource or make a tight argument (down, Louis) and suddenly the tone changes.  Suddenly there is a barrage of creationist links and non sequiturs.  Suddenly you're back to the "can't add information" argument or the "not enough time" argument or the "improbable" argument.

Liz scored several direct hits on that thread and the creeps know it which is why they tried to bury the thread in irrelevant bullshit.  

I made the mistake of honestly engaging with these cons years ago and got banninated by DaveScot his own self after my very first post which was very polite by my standards.   As I recall, I pointed out that steam, water and ice are actually three states of the same matter, H2O, and was banned for excessive sarcasm.  Alas, I wish that had been the case!

YEAH SORRY ABOUT THAT, HOMO!

I MEAN'T YOUR WIT WAS TOO DRY FOR THE AVERAGE ID-IST WHOSE IQ AS YOU KNOW IS ABOUT HALF MY 150 BASED ON A NON SAT BUT POPULAR TEST AT AN INUIT DATING SITE.

IF YOU HAD HAVE POINTED OUT THAT THE 3 PHASES...UM OR IS THAT PHASORS? OF GI CAMP GENERATOR WERE IN FACT 3 STATES OF THE SAME VOLTAGE THEN  HOW COULD I ACCUSE YOU OF SARCASM?

YOU SEE AS OSCAR WILDE ONCE SAID "SARCASM IS THE LOWEST FORM OF WIT BUT THE HIGHEST FORM OF INTELLIGENCE"

...SO HOW COULD I BE WRONG?

HOWEVER AGE HAS MELLOWED ME SO I NOT-POLOGISE BUT WOULD STILL BAN YOU FOR


I-R-O-N-Y!

© d.t.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,10:46   

Actually I wrote in a subsequent post using the pseudonym Dembski's Poodle that evolution was implausible because the framastat couldn't mork the frim fram.

That led Marks and Dembski to write their famous paper, Non-linear Framastatic Frim Frams in a Biological Morkverse.  (published in a comment thread on Amazon.com)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,13:19   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 21 2011,08:46)
Actually I wrote in a subsequent post using the pseudonym Dembski's Poodle that evolution was implausible because the framastat couldn't mork the frim fram.

That led Marks and Dembski to write their famous paper, Non-linear Framastatic Frim Frams in a Biological Morkverse.  (published in a comment thread on Amazon.com)

Most of Dembski's target audience are hearing exactly that.  And they're convinced by it.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,14:54   



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,15:37   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 21 2011,12:54)

Reminds me of this.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,15:54   

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That led Marks and Dembski to write their famous paper, Non-linear Framastatic Frim Frams in a Biological Morkverse.

Shazbot!!!!!!

  
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,19:01   

Orgies would fall under fraternal organizing, so if you were meeting on a regular basis, you would still need a permit.

But what about the right of the people to peaceably assemble?

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Learned Hand



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2011,22:56   

Quote (khan @ Sep. 21 2011,19:01)
Orgies would fall under fraternal organizing, so if you were meeting on a regular basis, you would still need a permit.

But what about the right of the people to peaceably assemble?


You mean assemble their pieces?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,07:18   

I have to say that if your orgy is {ahem} "fraternal", you're doing it wrong. Expand that gene pool people!

Louis

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,07:20   

Gil Dodgen is lost and confused:
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My company has been very generous in providing me with all kinds of training....
. . .
In my experience attending these training courses I am struck by the fact that I am almost always among the very few who are American-born scientists and engineers.

Alternative explanation:  The other engineers learned it the first time.

DrREC is probably correct, though:
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Perhaps you are one of the few American-born scientists and engineers willing to work at the wages your company provides.

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,08:15   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 22 2011,15:20)
Gil Dodgen is lost and confused:
 
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My company has been very generous in providing me with all kinds of training....
. . .
In my experience attending these training courses I am struck by the fact that I am almost always among the very few who are American-born scientists and engineers.

Alternative explanation:  The other engineers learned it the first time.

DrREC is probably correct, though:
 
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Perhaps you are one of the few American-born scientists and engineers willing to work at the wages your company provides.

HEADLINE NEWS

"ID TARD RACE TO TEH BOTTOM"

'MERIKA DITCHES CREATED BY BIG FLOOD.

id SOFTWARE ENGINEER  WHO CAN'T LOSE VIRGINITY TAKES JOB IN A 3RD WORLD SLUM.

WAKES UP AND REALIZES HE'S STILL IN KANSAS.

BUZZ ADRENALIN WAS JUST CGI ON CRACK AND THE NO FREE LUNCH ALGORITHM WAS A NIGERIAN INTERNET SCAM.

Gildo only has himself to blame.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,08:24   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 21 2011,18:46)
Actually I wrote in a subsequent post using the pseudonym Dembski's Poodle that evolution was implausible because the framastat couldn't mork the frim fram.

That led Marks and Dembski to write their famous paper, Non-linear Framastatic Frim Frams in a Biological Morkverse.  (published in a comment thread on Amazon.com)

Fine.

It's a pity the acronym wasn't BANFFFFFFFFFF

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,12:34   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 22 2011,05:20)
Gil Dodgen is lost and confused:
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My company has been very generous in providing me with all kinds of training....
. . .
In my experience attending these training courses I am struck by the fact that I am almost always among the very few who are American-born scientists and engineers.

Alternative explanation:  The other engineers learned it the first time.

DrREC is probably correct, though:
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Perhaps you are one of the few American-born scientists and engineers willing to work at the wages your company provides.

Gil:
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These three- to five-day courses are universally incredibly intensive, and it is assumed that the attendee has a thorough background in mathematics (integral and differential calculus, and differential equations), a complete understanding of basic physics (e.g., F=ma...


Gil, elsewhere:
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But here’s something very interesting about such a simple mathematical equation as F = MA. Force (e.g., lbf, or pound force) = Mass times Acceleration. Acceleration could be something like feet per second per second (ft. / sec.^2). Solving for Mass with simple algebra we get:

lbf / (ft. / sec.^2) or (lbf times sec.^2) / ft.

Thus, we calculate mass density by dividing mass by volume (in this case ft.^3), and we get:

lbf sec.^2 / ft.^4

How interesting! The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space.

And all of this ultimately comes from 1 apple plus 1 apple equals 2 apples.


I hope the furriners helped Gil with the physics part.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,13:40   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 22 2011,12:34)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 22 2011,05:20)
Gil Dodgen is lost and confused:
 
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My company has been very generous in providing me with all kinds of training....
. . .
In my experience attending these training courses I am struck by the fact that I am almost always among the very few who are American-born scientists and engineers.

Alternative explanation:  The other engineers learned it the first time.

DrREC is probably correct, though:
 
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Perhaps you are one of the few American-born scientists and engineers willing to work at the wages your company provides.

Gil:
 
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These three- to five-day courses are universally incredibly intensive, and it is assumed that the attendee has a thorough background in mathematics (integral and differential calculus, and differential equations), a complete understanding of basic physics (e.g., F=ma...


Gil, elsewhere:
 
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But here’s something very interesting about such a simple mathematical equation as F = MA. Force (e.g., lbf, or pound force) = Mass times Acceleration. Acceleration could be something like feet per second per second (ft. / sec.^2). Solving for Mass with simple algebra we get:

lbf / (ft. / sec.^2) or (lbf times sec.^2) / ft.

Thus, we calculate mass density by dividing mass by volume (in this case ft.^3), and we get:

lbf sec.^2 / ft.^4

How interesting! The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space.

And all of this ultimately comes from 1 apple plus 1 apple equals 2 apples.


I hope the furriners helped Gil with the physics part.

So?  I can prove that 1+1=0.

It still doesn't make it correct.

edit:

Oh, I get it now.  He left out the density component.  nevermind.

The correct formula would be F=Dva.

kgm/s^2 = kg/l * l * m/s^2

dumbass

edit: proof of dumbassery and pathetic knowledge of algebra

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MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,20:05   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 22 2011,22:20)
Gil Dodgen is lost and confused:
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My company has been very generous in providing me with all kinds of training....
. . .
In my experience attending these training courses I am struck by the fact that I am almost always among the very few who are American-born scientists and engineers.

Alternative explanation:  The other engineers learned it the first time.

DrREC is probably correct, though:
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Perhaps you are one of the few American-born scientists and engineers willing to work at the wages your company provides.

Or typically due to being native speakers they would have been promoted out of operational work. I saw this a lot when I was managing a group of programmers in the late 90s. If you were a native speaker and a reasonable coder it was relatively easy to get promoted to team-leader or you simply left and became a consultant.

Same in Engineering. After 10 years you would expect to be a manager, consultant or academic

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,20:38   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 21 2011,15:37)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 21 2011,12:54)

Reminds me of this.

UD reminds me of this.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,20:49   

Quote (Kristine @ Sep. 22 2011,20:38)
 
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 21 2011,15:37)
   
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 21 2011,12:54)

Reminds me of this.

UD reminds me of this.


UD reminds me of this:



Life and Science - They're doing them wrong

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,06:16   

Elizabeth Liddle destroys the "ID is too science" argument in one magnificent post.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,06:42   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 23 2011,06:16)
Elizabeth Liddle destroys the "ID is too science" argument in [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-

impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400613]one magnificent post[/URL].

Hopefully working link to her excellent post: here.

The link is http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-400613

rossum

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,07:13   

Quote (rossum @ Sep. 23 2011,07:42)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 23 2011,06:16)
Elizabeth Liddle destroys the "ID is too science" argument in [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-


impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400613]one magnificent post[/URL].

Hopefully working link to her excellent post: [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-

impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400613]here[/URL].

The link is [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-

impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400613]http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-400613[/URL]

rossum

Thanks, I got bitten by the line break bug.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,07:45   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 23 2011,08:13)
Quote (rossum @ Sep. 23 2011,07:42)
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 23 2011,06:16)
Elizabeth Liddle destroys the "ID is too science" argument in [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-



impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400613]one magnificent post[/URL].

Hopefully working link to her excellent post: [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-


impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400613]here[/URL].

The link is [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-


impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400613]http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-400613[/URL]

rossum

Thanks, I got bitten by the line break bug.

Looks like they purged it.  I'm shocked, shocked I tells ya!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,08:07   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Sep. 23 2011,08:45)
Looks like they purged it.  I'm shocked, shocked I tells ya!

Nope, Rossum got bitten by it too.  Here's the link, tested for your safety and convenience:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-400613

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,08:09   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 23 2011,09:07)
Quote (Wolfhound @ Sep. 23 2011,08:45)
Looks like they purged it.  I'm shocked, shocked I tells ya!

Nope, Rossum got bitten by it too.  Here's the link, tested for your safety and convenience:

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/paper-“the-origin-and-relationship-between-the-three-domains-of-life-is-lodged-in-a-phylogenetic-

impasse”/comment-page-1/#comment-400613]http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-400613[/URL]

Okay, that's really weird.  I carefully removed the line break, and the board helpfully put it back in.  bit.ly refuses to shorten it.  Google to the rescue:  http://goo.gl/rr5PF

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,08:29   

If you don't preview your comment the link will usually not be broken. Of course that comes with it's own set of problems.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,08:39   

It's true, the line break is inserted by the board software.

therew are two ork-arounds.

You can, if your browser allows it, click on the link and wait for the not found message, then edit the <br> out of the URK and press Enter.

Or the person making the link can use tinyurl.com to make one that works.

Not all links require this. Just the really long ones. there are special characters that trigger it also.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,08:41   

...works for only a few seconds after scroll down.

I was thinking for a minute divine intervention (:0)

....but I realized that the ID program must be running the No Free Goat Algorithm ™

ID  is just tanding around singing 'pass teh loot' dressed in little aprons with satanic symbols these days.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,09:17   

Yesterday everytime I tried to read that thread it would load for a few seconds then kick over to the 'The Internets can't show you that page' screen....don't know if it's my machine or their software.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,09:38   

Quote (Acipenser @ Sep. 23 2011,09:17)
Yesterday everytime I tried to read that thread it would load for a few seconds then kick over to the 'The Internets can't show you that page' screen....don't know if it's my machine or their software.

I still does that if the URL is defective.

That's a problem with the way this forum handles long URLs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,10:58   

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Eugene SSeptember 22, 2011 at 8:32 am

Elizabeth,

Yes, science is based on belief. First of all, by engaging yourself into science you believe that the outcome of your activity may be sensical and useful. Otherwise, being a scientist would be a bizarre thing.

More importantly, each theory rests upon axioms. True, a richer theory may question the initial axioms but only by introducing more axioms. A classic example is Lobachevsky and Eucledian geometries.

Your interpretation of Einstein overturning Newton I find strange. Einstein extended the Newtonian model, so the Newtonian mechanics became a special case of the more generic model. No overturning occured.

Circular argumentation is a logical flaw that people may have irrespective of their religious beliefs. I just wanted to say that abiogenesis makes no sense to me in all respects, scientific included.

How can something that does not exist yet start all of a sudden assembling itself? Give us at least one real life example of self-organisation. I also said that if such a thing had been possible in the past, chances are it would have been possible today unless we give a credible explanation of why it is the other way around.

Without these things, it is not a science but alchemy or attempts to breed a homunculus.


these fuckfaces est tres postmodern que thee

ETA  this particular fuckface writes like he stabbed his right prefrontal cortex with a shitty catheter, and he spells like Louis.  what is it with these furriner tards these days?  shit is spreading!

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