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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2008,20:05   

More YEC humor.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2009,13:23   

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What is the secret of this massive hatred against Kent Hovind? What did he do to any of you personally?

Well, he bilked people out of their money, he set back education in the country (which does affect us all), and he set tax-payers back with his tax evasion schemes (which also affects us all)...and that's just for starters.

Tmac1238:  So no one bilked us out of money sending our sons and daughters to die in Iraq for "peace" and "freedom?"  Why then is more and more money then being spent to build detention centers?  Is America in trouble now because newcomers are smart?

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Well he's in jail! He's in jail!

Where he deserves to be.

tmac1238:  But people can disagree with fascists.  You speak as if you don't need to be on debate forums nor listen to what America thinks.  How come America doesn't agree with you?  How come they are reeling now in economic pain and their non-diseased minds are not even on Dr. Hovind?  Is it because they also didn't agree with fascists?

Ministers preach similar things Kent Hovind preaches every Sunday.  Did you miss that because you are bright?

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So you all are getting practice making fun of him in jail, practicing till the day God's people are there?


Nope, just those who break the law.

tmac1238:  You mean there are others in jail?  Not ministers who preach on Sunday?  Your posts don't seem to indicate there are others in jail, and now the country is going bankrupt because of what Dr. Hovind has done?

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We believe in the bible, and that books says a time will come when they will be hated of all nations--literally framed for crimes. (Matthew 24:9).


It does not say that anyone will be framed for crimes, and besides, Hovind wasn't framed.

tmac1238: Neither were Sunday-school ministers and teachers.  Leave it to the atheists to know what the bible says.

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The issues surrounding this have already started. The Patriot Act is set up claiming any American can be detained, condemned and destroyed in secret without them having opportunity to prove their innocence.


And I don't support the Patriot Act, which incidentally, your friends in Christ enacted.

tmac1238:  But you do support the Patriot Act merely by what topics are giving you hot-flashes.  If you can report a single malady Dr. Hovind has done and can't see the Patriot Act, you do support it and are part of the problem.

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The Communists and Nazis already had secret courts, secret trials, intrusive government and torture before we adopted them on paper.


Which, again, your friends in Christ enacted. Perhaps you and your Xian friends should denounce those other Xians.

tmac1238:  You mean you then could be posting against my "Christian" friends now instead of destroying that flea collar because a very effective Creationist is in jail?

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Do we also have a massive propaganda team everywhere--even on the internet--who work with unity to push some of the most ridiculous things making America go backward, here?


Why are you calling for propaganda? Anyway, there are organizations that are fighting against the fascist leanings of our very Xian president...like the ACLU. Perhaps you should support them.

tmac1238:  Perhaps supporting them would be better than wasting your time because an enemy of yours is in jail.  He is obviously not an enemy of the American people.  More intelligent people don't even know his name.  They have other things to worry about.

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What is the secret of this massive hatred against Kent Hovind?  What did he do to any of you personally?

Well, he bilked people out of their money, he set back education in the country (which does affect us all), and he set tax-payers back with his tax evasion schemes (which also affects us all)...and that's just for starters.

Tmac1238:  So no one bilked us out of money sending our sons and daughters to die in Iraq for "peace" and "freedom?"  Why then is more and more money then being spent to build detention centers?  Is America in trouble now because newcomers are smart?

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Well he's in jail!  He's in jail!

Where he deserves to be.

tmac1238:  But people can disagree with fascists.  You speak as if you don't need to be on debate forums nor listen to what America thinks.  How come America doesn't agree with you?  How come they are reeling now in economic pain and their non-diseased minds are not even on Dr. Hovind?  Is it because they also didn't agree with fascists?

Ministers preach similar things Kent Hovind preaches every Sunday.  Did you miss that because you are bright?

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So you all are getting practice making fun of him in jail, practicing till the day God's people are there?


Nope, just those who break the law.

tmac1238:  You mean there are others in jail?  Not ministers who preach on Sunday?  Your posts don't seem to indicate there are others in jail, and now the country is going bankrupt because of what Dr. Hovind has done?

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We believe in the bible, and that books says a time will come when they will be hated of all nations--literally framed for crimes. (Matthew 24:9).


It does not say that anyone will be framed for crimes, and besides, Hovind wasn't framed.

tmac1238: Neither were Sunday-school ministers and teachers.  Leave it to the atheists to know what the bible says.

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The issues surrounding this have already started.  The Patriot Act is set up claiming any American can be detained, condemned and destroyed in secret without them having opportunity to prove their innocence.


And I don't support the Patriot Act, which incidentally, your friends in Christ enacted.

tmac1238:  But you do support the Patriot Act merely by what topics are giving you hot-flashes.  If you can report a single malady Dr. Hovind has done and can't see the Patriot Act, you do support it and are part of the problem.

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The Communists and Nazis already had secret courts, secret trials, intrusive government and torture before we adopted them on paper.


Which, again, your friends in Christ enacted.  Perhaps you and your Xian friends should denounce those other Xians.

tmac1238:  You mean you then could be posting against my "Christian" friends now instead of destroying that flea collar because a very effective Creationist is in jail?

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Do we also have a massive propaganda team everywhere--even on the internet--who work with unity to push some of the most ridiculous things making America go backward, here?


Why are you calling for propaganda?  Anyway, there are organizations that are fighting against the fascist leanings of our very Xian president...like the ACLU.  Perhaps you should support them.

tmac1238:  Perhaps supporting them would be better than wasting your time because an enemy of yours is in jail.  He is obviously not an enemy of the American people.  More intelligent people don't even know his name.  They have other things to worry about.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2009,15:41   

Trout Mac is that you?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2009,16:02   

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Trout Mac is that you?

Louis

Could be...same quality of logic.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2009,03:51   

Quote (deadman_932 @ May 31 2009,22:02)
Quote (Louis @ May 31 2009,15:41)
Trout Mac is that you?

Louis

Could be...same quality of logic.

Tragically that's merely possibly indicative, not diagnostic.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2009,06:49   

the epic fail of quote tags suggest that this post is indeed indicative of something

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2009,07:42   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 01 2009,12:49)
the epic fail of quote tags suggest that this post is indeed indicative of something

That something clearly being the lack of a truly world class therapist and some carefully administered pharmaceuticals in Tmac's life.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2009,08:51   

Quote (Louis @ June 01 2009,07:42)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,June 01 2009,12:49)
the epic fail of quote tags suggest that this post is indeed indicative of something

That something clearly being the lack of a truly world class therapist and some carefully administered pharmaceuticals in Tmac's life.

Louis

You call that a life? HA!

TMAC - please post and give us all the details of what it is really like to live in your Mom's basement...

I am sure that all of us - even Louis - will be much more understanding once we are aware of the awful pressure you go through,  knowing that you are truly "different" and seperated from normal society and lifestyle.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2009,09:37   

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2009,11:20   

WND on Hovind

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2009,11:29   

It sounds like Hovind still has under-powered legal representation. Of course, how WND reports things could make anybody look stupid. But they specifically report the lawyer as arguing to the Supreme Court that the "structuring" law shouldn't apply because the Hovinds used transactions of less than $10K. Hello? That's precisely the situation that the "structuring" law applies to.

But that is followed with an argument that there should only be one count against each of the Hovinds based on the "structuring" statute. That seems at least arguable, since one under-$10K withdrawal doesn't make the case for "structuring"; that has to come from a pattern of activity and multiple sub-$10K withdrawals.

So it is unclear from the WND article whether the lawyer is making two separate arguments, one that there should be no charge on structuring (which is obviously an idiotic argument to be making), and the other that if structuring charges are in play, that there should only be one count per defendant (which seems to me to at least be arguable), or if only one of those was intended and the reporter mucked things up badly.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2009,08:24   

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Attorney Shawn Perez of Las Vegas, who worked on Hovind's Supreme Court filing, told WND the writ of certiorari, or petition, makes two arguments. One is that the structuring law does not apply, because the Hovinds never deposited or withdrew more than $10,000 on any one day. The 45 single bank transactions should be charged as one count, not as 45 separate violations of the law, the brief argues. Each transaction was charged as a criminal count, yet none of them, by themselves, constituted a violation of the law, it explains.

The other argument in the Supreme Court filing is that under the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995, the IRS must explain on a 1040 form what it plans to do with the answers it receives and indicate whether the response is voluntary or mandatory.

The chance of the Supreme Court accepting any case is slim, but Perez said he hopes the structuring argument will get the court's attention, because the justices took a hard look at money laundering in the past year.

"His case is really tough because he didn't present a defense (at trial)," Perez said. "You don't leave much room for argument on appeal."

Perez said it's possible Hovind will find out this month if his case has been accepted. But, regardless of the outcome, Hovind's situation won't change anytime soon, because the earliest the appeal could be heard would be 2010.


My emphasis.

Edited by Lou FCD on June 06 2009,09:25

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2009,08:32   

How bizarre:

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Hovind's son, Eric, asserts his parents and the ministry he now heads are not scofflaws.

"My father says very clearly, if you owe a tax, by law, you should pay it," he told WND. "We are not tax protesters."


Eric Hovind

But Eric Hovind acknowledges his father has espoused principles and beliefs shared by leading tax resisters.

In 1996, Kent Hovind tried to file for bankruptcy to avoid paying federal income taxes. He told a judge at a hearing he did not believe the United States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office "have jurisdiction in this matter."

"I sincerely believe that I am not a person required to file a Federal Income Tax Return," he said. "This belief is a result of extensive research that I have done."

Asked by the judge where he lived, Hovind replied, "I live in the church of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no residence."

Kent Hovind has stated he believes the Bible "teaches us to obey the authority over us."

But he contends the "IRS is not the authority over me any more than the government of Japan is."

Lindsey Springer, the founder of an IRS watchdog group who has advised Hovind,  argues Hovind merely insists that the federal government adhere to the Constitution and its own laws, which protect religion and religious entities.

"You're supposed to have a right to exercise your religion in such a way that taxation can't come in and be utilized to destroy it. That's the First Amendment. That's what it means," said Springer, the head of Tulsa-based Bondage Breakers Ministries, which aims to "expose the violations of the written law committed by the Internal Revenue Service."

Eric Hovind told WND his father sent numerous letters to the IRS, asking exactly which laws apply to a 508 © (1) (a) church ministry, but he received no response.

"Now the government would look at that, just to be honest, as probably a tax protester-type stance," he said.


How bizarre, how bizarre.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2009,11:21   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 06 2009,06:32)
How bizarre:

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Hovind's son, Eric, asserts his parents and the ministry he now heads are not scofflaws.

"My father says very clearly, if you owe a tax, by law, you should pay it," he told WND. "We are not tax protesters."


Eric Hovind

But Eric Hovind acknowledges his father has espoused principles and beliefs shared by leading tax resisters.

In 1996, Kent Hovind tried to file for bankruptcy to avoid paying federal income taxes. He told a judge at a hearing he did not believe the United States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office "have jurisdiction in this matter."

"I sincerely believe that I am not a person required to file a Federal Income Tax Return," he said. "This belief is a result of extensive research that I have done."

Asked by the judge where he lived, Hovind replied, "I live in the church of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no residence."

Kent Hovind has stated he believes the Bible "teaches us to obey the authority over us."

But he contends the "IRS is not the authority over me any more than the government of Japan is."

Lindsey Springer, the founder of an IRS watchdog group who has advised Hovind, argues Hovind merely insists that the federal government adhere to the Constitution and its own laws, which protect religion and religious entities.

"You're supposed to have a right to exercise your religion in such a way that taxation can't come in and be utilized to destroy it. That's the First Amendment. That's what it means," said Springer, the head of Tulsa-based Bondage Breakers Ministries, which aims to "expose the violations of the written law committed by the Internal Revenue Service."

Eric Hovind told WND his father sent numerous letters to the IRS, asking exactly which laws apply to a 508 ゥ (1) (a) church ministry, but he received no response.

"Now the government would look at that, just to be honest, as probably a tax protester-type stance," he said.


How bizarre, how bizarre.

I think Hovind made a crucial error.  No doubt influence by the need to keep the cuntributions rolling in, he was too subtle in his insanity defence.

Wrong: Asked by the judge where he lived, Hovind replied, "I live in the church of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no residence."

Right: Asked by the judge where he lived, Hovind replied, "I am a teapot.  Cover me with lard."

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,12:30   

The Government now owns a Creationist theme park. Read about it here. Laugh about it here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,12:52   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 06 2009,09:24)
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Attorney Shawn Perez of Las Vegas, who worked on Hovind's Supreme Court filing, told WND the writ of certiorari, or petition, makes two arguments. One is that the structuring law does not apply, because the Hovinds never deposited or withdrew more than $10,000 on any one day. The 45 single bank transactions should be charged as one count, not as 45 separate violations of the law, the brief argues. Each transaction was charged as a criminal count, yet none of them, by themselves, constituted a violation of the law, it explains.

The other argument in the Supreme Court filing is that under the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995, the IRS must explain on a 1040 form what it plans to do with the answers it receives and indicate whether the response is voluntary or mandatory.

The chance of the Supreme Court accepting any case is slim, but Perez said he hopes the structuring argument will get the court's attention, because the justices took a hard look at money laundering in the past year.

"His case is really tough because he didn't present a defense (at trial)," Perez said. "You don't leave much room for argument on appeal."

Perez said it's possible Hovind will find out this month if his case has been accepted. But, regardless of the outcome, Hovind's situation won't change anytime soon, because the earliest the appeal could be heard would be 2010.


My emphasis.

Dang, now I'm reading this thread.

There is a PRA declaration for the Form 1040. It says the IRS will use the answers to help determine the tax you owe. Shawn Perez, attorney FAIL.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,12:59   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 06 2009,09:32)
How bizarre:

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Lindsey Springer, the founder of an IRS watchdog group who has advised Hovind, argues Hovind merely insists that the federal government adhere to the Constitution and its own laws, which protect religion and religious entities.


How bizarre, how bizarre.

Is this Scooter's Mom? Sister? Evil Twin? Alter Ego?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,14:48   

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The Government now owns a Creationist theme park.  Read about it here.  Laugh about it here.

Doesn't that violate that thing in the constitution about separation of stuff? :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,15:05   

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Doesn't that violate that thing in the constitution about separation of stuff? :p

The Constitution doesn't say anything about the separation of dinosaurs and Jesus.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,15:26   

Quote (ppb @ Aug. 07 2009,15:05)
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Doesn't that violate that thing in the constitution about separation of stuff? :p

The Constitution doesn't say anything about the separation of dinosaurs and Jesus.



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,16:47   

Quote (ppb @ Aug. 07 2009,13:05)
 
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Doesn't that violate that thing in the constitution about separation of stuff? :p

The Constitution doesn't say anything about the separation of dinosaurs and Jesus.

Or fools and their money.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,07:49   

If you want a laugh on a Sunday afternoon, I found this on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1uFD-eAqX8&feature=related

Don't know who Dr. Callahan is but it seems he's had contact with Hovind before. The poster has also disabled any comments for some strange reason, as in the Kirk and Ray video.

  
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