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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2011,08:35   

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That doesn't compute!

I have this image of a broken Dalek, spewing smoke and sparks, with "UD" on it, repeating endlessly "InTardiate" (or would "IDTardiate" be a better fit).

Sorry, just came to mind.

Or the Dalek saying "Expellllllled!" or "Endodgenate!"

GILL-DAGINATARR!!
GILL-DANGINATRR!!

Next to Vogon poetry he is nothing.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,19:49   

Have you caught this one yet?

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Now there's nothing wrong with marketing ideas--in fact, the intelligent design community, of which I'm a part, has done quite a bit of this and quite successfully. William A. Dembski, April 27, 2011


And what else have you assholes done besides marketing?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,21:31   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,19:49)
Have you caught this one yet?

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Now there's nothing wrong with marketing ideas--in fact, the intelligent design community, of which I'm a part, has done quite a bit of this and quite successfully. William A. Dembski, April 27, 2011


And what else have you assholes done besides marketing?

Technical advances in the field of farty-noises?

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,21:32   

Does that make them used argument salesmen?

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2011,18:50   

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Have you caught this one yet?

 
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Now there's nothing wrong with marketing ideas--in fact, the intelligent design community, of which I'm a part, has done quite a bit of this and quite successfully. William A. Dembski, April 27, 2011


And what else have you assholes done besides marketing?

Technical advances in the field of farty-noises?

Not an unexpected outcome when you're dealing with assholes.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2011,19:06   

Quote (Henry J @ May 03 2011,21:32)
Does that make them used argument salesmen?

Henry

It makes them used-argument salesmen. :p

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2011,10:42   

Well, just so long as they're not de-hyphenated...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,10:19   

I guess Discovery doesn't pay its program directors well. Stephen Meyer is doing apologetics on the side.

Is the Bible Reliable?
 
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The Bible is so reliable in its reporting of all these classes of evidence... Hey, maybe we should rely on the Bible as a source of information about this period of time.


From the publisher's product description:
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This second set in the life-changing DVD series asks, "Is the Bible reliable?" Again, proven facts and insights from philosophy, cosmology and biology will help you engage intellectually with professors and peers, both in and outside of the classroom. For centuries, intellectuals and critics alike have questioned inconsistencies. Dr. Meyer examines ancient texts and archeological evidence to build a compelling case for the accuracy of Scripture - and why the Bible is more trustworthy than ever.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,10:33   

MOAR apologetics with Stephen Meyer:
Does God exist?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,01:22   

I notice this subject is not getting any air time over on Dembski's cult of conformity network.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2013,19:46   

It seems that Stephen Meyer has got a new book coming out, this time disproving evolution, er, proving ID because of Cambrian Explosion! The DI made the mistake of asking an assistant professor of geology for permission to use one of his photographs taken at the Burgess Shale. The response is fantastic; see it here (or go via RationalWiki, as I did).

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2013,12:13   

Ptaylor - EXCELLENT!!!!  That guy is my new hero!  I recommend all of you click and read the link - funny funny stuff, and much sorrow and gnashing of DI Teeth!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2013,19:19   

What J-Dog said! That was funny as hell!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2013,20:49   

my fave part is the end of his first email:

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Best wishes for your good health, and the speedy demise of the sham institution that employs you.
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2013,20:56   

I also liked his statement about the "sad impotency of [IDC]" in the comments.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2013,15:04   

It struck me during this discussion that none of the Tooters have ever visited their Shrine of the Burgess Shale.  How come Meyer doesn't have his own set of pictures?  Or Luskin? Or any of the Tooters?  How come they yak, yak, yak all about the Burgess Shale but they've never been there?

Granted, it's not a walk in the woods, oh, wait, yes it is.

Treks to the Shale are park-guide hikes only and you may have to book a year in advance to get the day you want.  The maximum crew size is 12.  I lucked out and filled in for a last-minute cancellation and made the hike a few years ago.  Check it out.


Here's why the Tooters will balk at the Shrine:  it's hard work.  Six miles one way with an elevation change of 2400 feet.  The first part of the trip is up the side of a mountain via muddy, root-infested, slippery switchbacks.  Every step is up.  Takes six hours of hiking to get to the quarry with the final 200 yards or so up a steep, treeless scree slope.  You carry your own water, lunch and any other gear.  I carried 2 liters of water and should have carried 3!  I was parched by the time we got back to the parking lot.

You spend about an hour at the quarry until it's time to go home.  Return trip, all downhill, takes about four hours.

Everybody in our crew was an experienced hiker.  Our ranger told us he does 4-5 treks per week and I think he could probably jog the entire distance.  

I remember seeing Emerald Lake from the Shale but didn't get a picture of it.  I was too occupied sweating, willing my legs to move and breathing.  Several years ago, though, we stayed at the Emerald Lake Lodge and had a room that overlooked the Shale.  Right on schedule I observed through binoculars a crew arrive at the Shale for their exploration.  I didn't see Meyer in the crew, but, then again, I wasn't surprised!  He's a lazy bastard in addition to being a lying dog.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2013,15:56   

Hey Doc, did you find any rabbit fossils when you were there?  ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2013,16:22   

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Hey Doc, did you find any rabbit fossils when you were there?  ;)

Of course he did.  Darwinists only go there to pick out all the rabbit fossils and move then to some later strata.  We wouldn't want the DI people to find them now, would we?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2013,16:41   

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Hey Doc, did you find any rabbit fossils when you were there?  ;)

OMG, the Tooters have scooped me with a

video of Meyer at the Shale!


Who knew?!?!?!?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2013,17:02   

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Hey Doc, did you find any rabbit fossils when you were there?  ;)

Of course he did.  Darwinists only go there to pick out all the rabbit fossils and move then to some later strata.  We wouldn't want the DI people to find them now, would we?

Aha! So THAT'S why the DI people can't find any Cambrian rabbit fossils.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2013,17:03   

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Hey Doc, did you find any rabbit fossils when you were there?  ;)

OMG, the Tooters have scooped me with a

video of Meyer at the Shale!


Who knew?!?!?!?

LMAO!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2013,17:42   

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Hey Doc, did you find any rabbit fossils when you were there???;)

Of course he did.??Darwinists only go there to pick out all the rabbit fossils and move then to some later strata.??We wouldn't want the DI people to find them now, would we?

Oh, a receding hare line, huh? :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2013,23:35   

EN&V: ID wins because 13 articles about molecular machines and molecuar clocks don't mention Darwin.
Like in the third cited paper on centrioles (which actually ignores Jonathan Wells's groundbreaking work):
     
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The conserved meiosis-specific
HORMA domain proteins are components of specialized chromosomal structures known as axial elements that assemble along the lengths of sister chromatid pairs during meiotic prophase I (12).

Like the abstract of the Nature article to which the Science Daily report they cite links:      
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We define a molecular mechanism that ensures asymmetric assembly, and we conclude that the basic architecture of SMC–kleisin rings evolved before the emergence of eukaryotes.

Like the PNAS article to which the Phys.Org report they cite links:      
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By studying vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV), we identify the large ribosomal subunit protein rpL40 as requisite for VSV cap-dependent translation but not bulk cellular or internal ribosome entry site–driven translation. This requirement is conserved amongmembers of the orderMononegavirales, including measles virus and rabies virus.

Like the second PLOS article they mention:      
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The circadian clock has evolved in response to daily changes in temperature and light in the environment.

And finally like Bruce Alberts who they name as their Anti-ID witness:      
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And to what extent has the design of presentday
protein machines been constrained by the long evolutionary
pathway through which the function evolved, rather than being optimally engineered for the function at hand? [...] At least for protein synthesis on the ribosome, the evolutionary history—dating back to an “RNA world”—is
thought to have played a predominant role (Green and Noller, 1997; Wilson and Noller, 1998 [this issue]). [...] those present-day reactions that evolved early in the history of life on the earth (like protein synthesis) should have originated in a cell dominated by RNA catalysis; these reactions might therefore remain relatively inefficient, due to constraints traceable to their evolutionary history. In contrast, those present-day reactions that evolved later (like DNA replication), in a cell dominated by protein catalysis, could be expected to be much more efficient (Alberts, 1986).


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Whom do they want to fool? Are they really unaware that evolution theory penetrates any filed of biology and thus is implicit in the majority of biological publications.
But what would one expect from guys who thaught deleting "creation" from "Of Pandas and People" would suffice to convince Judge Jones.

Edited by sparc on Feb. 19 2013,02:14

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,04:20   

Haven't had a smile on my face all day until now; what a welcome relief from that other thread! Thanks.

Edit typo.

Edited by Quack on Feb. 19 2013,04:22

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2013,08:23   

Yeah, the articles don't mention Copernicus, either and it's his birthday!

How sad.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2013,13:58   

Over at UD, Gregory the lonesome rider has a showdown with PeterJ:
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I went to the Discovery Institute’s Summer Program, where it claims to be teaching the next generation to become ‘IDists’ and was highly disappointed. Meyer was there and couldn’t answer simple questions from the ‘next generation’. Why should young people compromise ‘natural science’ with IDist ideology?

ID leaders are far, far weaker and more insignificant (when you meet them in person and speak to them) than you folks will even consider is possible. That is because many people here *want* to be part of an American movement.


http://tinyurl.com/cqf3vl3....cqf3vl3

I like Gregory; he perceives some of ID's flaws and openly calls it what it is, ideology and politics. Being British, he couldn't care less about the implications wrt the education system in the USA.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2013,14:32   

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Over at UD, Gregory the lonesome rider has a showdown with PeterJ:  
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I went to the Discovery Institute’s Summer Program, where it claims to be teaching the next generation to become ‘IDists’ and was highly disappointed. Meyer was there and couldn’t answer simple questions from the ‘next generation’. Why should young people compromise ‘natural science’ with IDist ideology?

ID leaders are far, far weaker and more insignificant (when you meet them in person and speak to them) than you folks will even consider is possible. That is because many people here *want* to be part of an American movement.


http://tinyurl.com/cqf3vl3....cqf3vl3

I like Gregory; he perceives some of ID's flaws and openly calls it what it is, ideology and politics. Being British, he couldn't care less about the implications wrt the education system in the USA.

Over/under on Gregory's bannination - 3 days.

Place yer bets.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2013,14:35   

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Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 22 2013,13:58)
Over at UD, Gregory the lonesome rider has a showdown with PeterJ:    
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I went to the Discovery Institute’s Summer Program, where it claims to be teaching the next generation to become ‘IDists’ and was highly disappointed. Meyer was there and couldn’t answer simple questions from the ‘next generation’. Why should young people compromise ‘natural science’ with IDist ideology?

ID leaders are far, far weaker and more insignificant (when you meet them in person and speak to them) than you folks will even consider is possible. That is because many people here *want* to be part of an American movement.


http://tinyurl.com/cqf3vl3....cqf3vl3

I like Gregory; he perceives some of ID's flaws and openly calls it what it is, ideology and politics. Being British, he couldn't care less about the implications wrt the education system in the USA.

Over/under on Gregory's bannination - 3 days.

Place yer bets.

My bet: already threatened with Mr Leathers, ban Apr 23, 3:00 pm.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2013,14:38   

My bet: Not openly banned but sent to the limbo of moderation.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2013,14:42   

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My bet: Not openly banned but sent to the limbo of moderation.

Maybe he'll try again at TSZ. I was disappointed that he started a discussion and abandoned it. If he looks at this he should know that the login at TSZ has been tightened up and it has nothing to do with him.

It's a Wordpress thing.

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