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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,08:30   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 30 2011,06:38)
I love me some Internet. †You can find just about anything there:


This reminds me of one of most memorable nerd moments. Gary Gygax and I were having a chat about game design and I was going on and on (and on and on and on) about how I really could not B E L I E V E that he would create a combat system (for D&D) wherein armor made you harder to hit rather than actually stopping damage. Everyone KNOOOOWWS that armor stops damage (I don't know that I was being that obnoxious, but assuming for a moment that Gary had likely heard this and other inane arguments a few other times, I presume I came across as Brendan from Galaxy Quest). After going on about this for probably twenty minutes, Gary finally looked at me and said, "Look...are you really complaining about the lack of realism in the combat system of a game that allows you to fight dragons and orcs?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,08:57   

Awwwww....that is the cutest pic evar.



[...pops the top off a Molson.]

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,09:09   

Quote (Ftk @ Nov. 30 2011,08:57)
Awwwww....that is the cutest pic evar.



[...pops the top off a Molson.]

I just hope no one actually posts a comment over there with links to this commercial, or this one.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,10:10   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Nov. 30 2011,02:28)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2011,11:21)
I think there is an interesting conversation to be had here once we're all done bashing PZ (deserved or not). Someone give me a head's up if/when that happens?

I'm not bashing him much [anymore]. A constructive discussion about tactics and fairness among atheists would be hugely great*.





*Redundancy, I haz it!

As soon as his current approach, including the discovery of fundamentalist atheism and sanctioned hate speech are in fact universally condemned as inciting hate and promoting dehumanization as a tactic in a culture war which has become increasingly defined by insane and insulated academics, i agree.

Education is a process and talking about how it ought to go forward should include the various ways people learn. But it should also include the various things people learn. And it should not exclude an in group from the requirement to learn. In the future, wrong information which bubbles up into the zeitgeist probably wont need a culture war to change it. At least, if it does, perhaps we as a community will recognize that a psychophantic group led by a leader as deity such as happened with pz is to be considered a failure in the overall effort. Not that they didnt start with good intentions or that they arent perfectly nice outside of the cult, but that the cult was a mistake. That the object is not to organize a competing truth to ram down the population's throat but to insert information into the zeitgeist and let the magic happen naturally.

Reminder. In dover, the creos lost because they failed to compete with the information presented.

When a dembski or pz or other form of leader emerges with wingnut ideas and moneterizing hate, their claims should be immediately challened just as was done to id. Id id now a joke and in fact you all played a significant role.

Maybe it was easy to ignore pz because he started out with the same enemy. But it isnt beliefs that cause the problems. Its actions. No one gets a free pass to claim a monopoly on truth. There is better and worse information but not an exaltable class who hold this truth and an untouchable class who doesnt. Whether theist to atheist or vice versa. And now i hope that using their own words, everyone realized that they dont mean simply 'not believe in god.' and that they clearly have a holy book, fundamental doctrines, and just like fundies of any stripe, the book doesnt justify their beliefs and yet the cite its authority.

Once its agreed that pzs path is unacceptable, then we need a discussion. That discussion could sift through the parts of his church to look for usable bits, after all he is a pretty smart guy regarding science,one of the disciplines involved in a good education.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,10:39   

Quote (BWE @ Nov. 30 2011,10:10)
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When a dembski or pz or other form of leader emerges with wingnut ideas and moneterizing hate, their claims should be immediately challened just as was done to id...

I don't see a valid way to equate Dembski with PZ. Unless you are only equating the "playing to the crowd". Dembski was trying to pass off religious thinking as science and sneak it into school science education, PZ is doing nothing of the sort. Dembski was using deliberate misrepresentation on numerous topics, I haven't noticed PZ doing that.

I do think the GelatoGuy topic was completely over-reactionary if not outright nonsense. But that is not the equivalent to the ID movement IMO.

Does anyone think that it is possible to get so used to arguing against a notion which probably deserves to be demonised, it becomes a default response?

Mind you, Pharyngula does now look like a very cultish echo chamber to me. There does seem to be a party line and standard response to some topics. That reminds me of UD, not Dembski specifically.

BTW, what wingnut ideas are you claiming PZ has?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,11:22   

It doesn't seem particularly wise to me for members of any disadvantaged group to wail about every perceived slight. Doing so diminishes the legitimate claims of injustice, because it becomes easy to conflate serious concerns with the trivial ones. With regards to feminism, I think that feminists have plenty of legitimate gripes, including but not limited to opportunity in the workplace. But there are plenty of people out there who see feminists as a bunch of whiners who want to take away everybody's fun and complain about things that don't matter. There are people who haven't yet made up their minds. Is someone whose first exposure to feminism reading about bunnies in skirts more likely to start to support feminist goals, or are they more likely to write the movement off as inconsequential?

These points regarding feminism can be equally applied to anti-racism, gay rights activism, and any other movement-ism. As for getting past atheism as a movement, I don't think it's necessary. Atheists have legitimate grievances, though I don't think it's much of an issue where I live. I think the initial response to the GelatoGuy was appropriate, though the refusal to accept his apology (whatever that means) by PZ was simple preening.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,11:46   

Quote (argystokes @ Nov. 30 2011,11:22)
... I think the initial response to the GelatoGuy was appropriate, though the refusal to accept his apology (whatever that means) by PZ was simple preening.

I disagree. PZ is entitled to refuse any apology. His demands that 1 guy is responsible for >100Million Christians was a preening bit IMO. Gelato-Guy is responsible for his own actions, not those of other people.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,14:10   

Just rewatched the original De Palma "Carrie" movie. Somehow relevant...

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,14:53   

Again, I'd humbly like to point out PZ as an atheist, not atheism. And he's probably more anitheist, if that's a subset thereof.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,16:01   

Whatever. He's ruined the word. Not that Dawkins hasn't tried as well as a few others but fuck. Only in fanaticland can this be considered sane enough to represent the norms:

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   Ing: I SPEAK FOR THE HIVEMIND GROUPTHINK says:
   30 November 2011 at 1:09 pm

   His transgression was feeling that his privledged status had to be respected by everyone.

   He was upset that people who donít believe in his religion didnít treat his religion with reverence behind semi-closed doors.

   His transgression was being upset that people are different and that he felt it was within his rights to abuse the negative view people have about a demographic to harm that group further. He doesnít think his reaction was wrong, just that it was too extreme.

   He still thinks HE was wronged somehow by people not being like him.



I felt the need to respond.
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bwe4 says:
30 November 2011 at 3:34 pm

What. The. Fuck. ?

In a careful attempt to avoid the ridiculous charge of tone trolling, among the most ironic terms ever coined, I will be as direct and abusive as possible.

This is a psychotic and delusional statement. He put up a sign which only in the most fucked up conspiracy theoristís imagination could be rewritten to say atheists not welcome. If that is not the transgression then in the future, make sure to specify that the sign is not what you are all butthurt about. That really, you are upset about his secret belief that his privileged status had to be respected by everyone. A belief which you will find can only be discovered with the official PZ Myers church of the true atheist crackerjack decoder ring.

Since I do not have one because I am not psychotic enough to take the oath of fealty to the church, I can only conclude that such a ring is in fact imaginary and you are insane, delusional or simply hateful and desperately searching for some sort of rationalization to excuse your hatred.

If mocking people is supposed to get them to change their beliefs, are you then furious when it only makes them alert to their biases? This insnít lampooning. Itís attacking. This is scorched Earth (She laughs at all isms because She knows that there is only now) policy.

You made that whole fucking thing up out of your presupposationalist idiocy. You insist that you can interpret those things from a statement which doesnít include them. Your allegiance to your church is making you see demons. And there is one. Mortonís Demon. And it stands in the space between you and reality, only allowing validating information in and twisting observational data to fit your stupid tortured narrative about the evil of theism.

Religion has caused great harm. Tremendous injustices abound in the world. But at the core of injustice is fear and the core of fear is hate. And you are, to all outside eyes, preaching hate.

Hopefully my tone was rude enough that my message is clear.


Goddamn this shit sets a bad example. If I was doing a density lab in middle school I'd expect creationist's kids to joke that nothing is denser than atheists because he'd read some of pharyngula. That would actually make me laugh though and might present a teachable moment.

But still. Yuck. The bad taste wont wash out.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,16:18   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2011,20:58)
Quote (Zarquon @ Nov. 30 2011,05:34)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2011,11:06)
You mean sexist like plastic toy bunnies sexist? Yeah....


Plastic toy bunnies that wear pants and a skirt...

Plastic toy bunnies that speak in pink and blue word balloons...

Plastic toy bunnies where one (guess which?) is a mindless fanatic, and the other (guess which?) is the calm voice of reason...

Plastic toy bunnies that, as far as I can tell, have not been genitally inspected.

Don't be so fucking disingenuous Lou. Even a three year old knows what that bunny setup means.

The rest of your comment is just irrelevant.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,16:35   

Quote (Zarquon @ Nov. 30 2011,16:18)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2011,20:58)
Quote (Zarquon @ Nov. 30 2011,05:34)
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Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2011,11:06)
You mean sexist like plastic toy bunnies sexist? Yeah....


Plastic toy bunnies that wear pants and a skirt...

Plastic toy bunnies that speak in pink and blue word balloons...

Plastic toy bunnies where one (guess which?) is a mindless fanatic, and the other (guess which?) is the calm voice of reason...

Plastic toy bunnies that, as far as I can tell, have not been genitally inspected.

Don't be so fucking disingenuous Lou. Even a three year old knows what that bunny setup means.

The rest of your comment is just irrelevant.

For the sake of moving the discussion forward, I'll grant that the bunny in the dress is female. †But, I am still confused about something.

Since Roland previously agreed that not all cartoon depictions of unsympathetic characters must necessarily be male, I have to conclude that not all depictions of unsympathetic female characters in cartoons (or any pop culture medium for that matter) are necessarily sexist. †So, what exactly is the criteria by which we may be able to determine, for any particular depiction, which are sexist and which are not?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,17:13   

hmmm...have to wonder if these feminists have ever taken a look at how men are put down by women in so many TV shows/movies the past couple years.  I've noticed quite a difference over the years.  The women are now the ones out having the extramarital affairs, etc. and taking advantage of "stupid" guys.  

Interesting side note (to me at least):  Hadn't peeked in PZ's dungeon for a looong time.  I'm no longer in there, unless I missed my name on that long 'ol list.  I thought once you were jailed, you were there for life.

Hmmm....maybe I can comment over there again.  Not that I'd particularly want to. Haven't been reading his stuff for a long time until I hit this thread.  I didn't think he could go lower than he was a year ago...I was wrong.  Eh, I'd just get thrown back in the dungeon after 3 posts anyway.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,22:03   

Quote (Zarquon @ Nov. 30 2011,16:18)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2011,20:58)
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Quote (Zarquon @ Nov. 30 2011,05:34)
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Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2011,11:06)
You mean sexist like plastic toy bunnies sexist? Yeah....


Plastic toy bunnies that wear pants and a skirt...

Plastic toy bunnies that speak in pink and blue word balloons...

Plastic toy bunnies where one (guess which?) is a mindless fanatic, and the other (guess which?) is the calm voice of reason...

Plastic toy bunnies that, as far as I can tell, have not been genitally inspected.

Don't be so fucking disingenuous Lou. Even a three year old knows what that bunny setup means.

The rest of your comment is just irrelevant.

Well, Michael Shermer wrote that creationists tend to be female. Just saying. Maybe women also tend to follow directions on boxes as well as asking for directions on trips. Who cares? They also tend to be more religious. "Men create gods, and women worship them."

What color are the bunnies again? ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2011,22:16   

Quote (Ftk @ Nov. 30 2011,18:13)
hmmm...have to wonder if these feminists have ever taken a look at how men are put down by women in so many TV shows/movies the past couple years. †I've noticed quite a difference over the years. †The women are now the ones out having the extramarital affairs, etc. and taking advantage of "stupid" guys. †

Interesting side note (to me at least): †Hadn't peeked in PZ's dungeon for a looong time. †I'm no longer in there, unless I missed my name on that long 'ol list. †I thought once you were jailed, you were there for life.

Hmmm....maybe I can comment over there again. †Not that I'd particularly want to. Haven't been reading his stuff for a long time until I hit this thread. †I didn't think he could go lower than he was a year ago...I was wrong. †Eh, I'd just get thrown back in the dungeon after 3 posts anyway.

i bet you can hit dungeon in two

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,04:09   

Quote (BWE @ Nov. 30 2011,16:01)
Whatever. He's ruined the word. Not that Dawkins hasn't tried as well as a few others but fuck...

You are not lumping Dawkins in with this are you? What has he ever said that is comparable to with the gelato-guy thread?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,05:12   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Dec. 01 2011,02:09)
Quote (BWE @ Nov. 30 2011,16:01)
Whatever. He's ruined the word. Not that Dawkins hasn't tried as well as a few others but fuck...

You are not lumping Dawkins in with this are you? What has he ever said that is comparable to with the gelato-guy thread?

to be clear, nothing. He apparently suffers from being british but I find that excusable. Plus I like his books quite a bit.

PZ not so much. Sorry for the guilt by association there. It was unintended.

By the way, that thread is full of stupid EZPZtard but I had a little bender tonight. God damn. If he never would have tried to lump me into his ""movement"" by speaking for atheism I never would have gotten disgusted with him starting a delusional cult and I never would have turned my *ADD on him.

* start here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng....-201420

capitalized ADD and added link

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,05:51   

Quote (BWE @ Dec. 01 2011,05:12)
* start here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng....-201420

Well, that whole thread was quite the....ummm....thing. †Elizabeth is truly the master of Internet jiu-jitsu. While you, my friend, are much more the bare knuckled brawler.

Let us know if any of those hothouse flowers take you up on your debate offer. †My guess is that they won't venture outside their clubhouse.



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,06:08   

Quote (BWE @ Dec. 01 2011,05:12)
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Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Dec. 01 2011,02:09)
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Quote (BWE @ Nov. 30 2011,16:01)
Whatever. He's ruined the word. Not that Dawkins hasn't tried as well as a few others but fuck...

You are not lumping Dawkins in with this are you? What has he ever said that is comparable to with the gelato-guy thread?

to be clear, nothing. He apparently suffers from being british but I find that excusable. Plus I like his books quite a bit.

PZ not so much. Sorry for the guilt by association there. It was unintended.
Fair enough, that clears things up.


Quote (BWE @ Dec. 01 2011,05:12)
By the way, that thread is full of stupid EZPZtard but I had a little bender tonight. God damn. If he never would have tried to lump me into his ""movement"" by speaking for atheism I never would have gotten disgusted with him starting a delusional cult and I never would have turned my *ADD on him.

* start here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng....-201420

capitalized ADD and added link
I have been following it over at TR as a lurker. Can't get on Pharyngula here, I might have a read when I get home.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,08:15   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 29 2011,17:35)
Quote (BWE @ Nov. 29 2011,15:55)
It had to be done. I'm sorry to those who take offense.:
http://talkrational.org/showthr....1614346

Wait a minute. †The horde over at Pharyngula is taking on Elizabeth Liddle? †This is not going to end well for them.


Ok...I went searching around, but could not find Feeble in the comments at Pharyngula. I have popcorn and beer all set. Where's the show?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,08:19   

I just stumbled upon the video that the shop owner evidently saw....Atheist Revival with Sam Singleton. I couldn't make it through my breakfast after watching only  a few minutes of that %@#.  

I can certainly see why the shop owner was upset.  Talk about disrespect and hate.  Isn't that WHY PZ is so totally pissed off at the religious world?  That religion is the seed of all evil and hatred?  What is Sam Singleton doing other than spreading hate for a group of people?

Honestly, if I had been the shop owner, I'm not sure I could have apologized after all that.  So, he's the better Christian than I.  

PZ and his group are probably the most hypocritical group of people I've ever encountered bar none.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,08:23   

Quote (Robin @ Dec. 01 2011,08:15)
Ok...I went searching around, but could not find Feeble in the comments at Pharyngula. I have popcorn and beer all set. Where's the show?

This is the blog post.  Febble is posting under the name elizabethliddle and her contributions start at comment 621.

Be sure to read page 2, where you can feast on the irony of PZ banning BWE for flying into a rage.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,08:30   

Quote (BWE @ Dec. 01 2011,05:12)
My claim is that it was the event he witnessed at skepticon which prompted his misbehavior and had everything to do with skepticon and nothing to do with any broader notion of atheism. I do not share religion with the man and yet, even if I had known what skepticon was, and if Iíd seen his sign, I would not have felt unwelcome in his store. I probably would have been amused actually. I would have realized without much trouble that he was offended by something at skepticon as it regarded his religion. In fact, an atheist unaware of the nature of skepticon would have no reason to feel unwelcome in the ice cream shop short of simply not liking christians.

This is precisely the reason I disagree with PZ's assessment. PZ and his followers immediately concluded that the gelato guy's actions were antiatheism when in fact his actions were defensiveness against a slight to his religion. There's nothing in the guy's actions that speaks to some perception of privilege; they guy felt his ideals were attacked and reacted. Period. Say what you want about the guy's beliefs, but don't them label him a hypocrite and a bigot when he gets offended - that's just the epitome of projection.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,08:34   

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Be sure to read page 2, where you can feast on the irony of PZ banning BWE for flying into a rage.

Just for that or was there additional stuff? If he banned everyone who got into a rage, there would be a sharp drop of regular posters.

ETA: I think irony should be hyporicy, if that is what happened.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,08:38   

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Be sure to read page 2, where you can feast on the irony of PZ banning BWE for flying into a rage.

Just for that or was there additional stuff? If he banned everyone who got into a rage, there would be a sharp drop of regular posters.

Elizabeth's contributions continue on page 2.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,08:51   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Dec. 01 2011,08:34)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 01 2011,08:23)
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Be sure to read page 2, where you can feast on the irony of PZ banning BWE for flying into a rage.

Just for that or was there additional stuff? If he banned everyone who got into a rage, there would be a sharp drop of regular posters.

ETA: I think irony should be hyporicy, if that is what happened.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,09:21   

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You mean sexist like plastic toy bunnies sexist? Yeah....


Plastic toy bunnies that wear pants and a skirt...

Plastic toy bunnies that speak in pink and blue word balloons...

Plastic toy bunnies where one (guess which?) is a mindless fanatic, and the other (guess which?) is the calm voice of reason...

Plastic toy bunnies that, as far as I can tell, have not been genitally inspected.

Don't be so fucking disingenuous Lou. Even a three year old knows what that bunny setup means.

The rest of your comment is just irrelevant.

It's hysterical that you clipped out the rest of the comment as "irrelevant".

I'll add dishonest to hypocritical douchenozzle.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,09:56   

I just had a chance to get to the part where BWE gets banned.  hahahahahahaha...omg.  PZ bans (puts up a sign against skepticon) him from his little blog (ice cream shop) because he feels insulted.  

Oh, this is unbelievably entertaining.  Honestly, PZ is nuts.  Someone has to just come out an say it.  The man needs meds.  He really, really does.  And, the Skepticon folks and PZ's followers?...scary...very, very scary.

Is that really Elizabeth Little?  Someone said it's "Feeble" writing as EL.  Whomever it is, she/he certainly is blowing them all out of the water without using any of their own special debate skills of ridicule and mockery.  They all look ridiculous cursing and mocking her.  Might think of getting her to be your spokesperson for atheism.  Kick that 'ol PZ out the door and all his hateful followers with him.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,10:13   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 01 2011,08:38)
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Be sure to read page 2, where you can feast on the irony of PZ banning BWE for flying into a rage.

Just for that or was there additional stuff? If he banned everyone who got into a rage, there would be a sharp drop of regular posters.

Elizabeth's contributions continue on page 2.

That is some funny reading. I think a few of those folks are going to pop a gasket soon. It's like Joe and Gordo getting spun up. Well...almost. I see no wailing walls of text yet.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2011,10:16   

Quote (Robin @ Dec. 01 2011,06:15)
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It had to be done. I'm sorry to those who take offense.:
http://talkrational.org/showthr....1614346

Wait a minute. †The horde over at Pharyngula is taking on Elizabeth Liddle? †This is not going to end well for them.


Ok...I went searching around, but could not find Feeble in the comments at Pharyngula. I have popcorn and beer all set. Where's the show?

It's Febble, not Feeble, and that's elizabeth's screen name at most forums.

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When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far

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