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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,18:52   

Quote (steve_h @ April 15 2012,15:47)
Sal is a slimy lying scumbag?

Filed under humor; that, and the question mark definitely makes it legally deniable

I couldn't quite accept the theory of SCIASLS, even with compelling evidence until I could see him come into an online forum and demonstrate it. Alas, he did show up and demonstrate the workings of what is evidentially "slimy lying scumbug" behavior. Afterwards, I could no longer reject the theory of SCIASLS.

eta: my comment is prolly more pertinent to the TSZ thread. Sal probes the skepticism of anti-IDers here, for example.

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,20:32   

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I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

I shutter to think why.

These cascades reflex badly upon this site.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,20:50   

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I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

I shutter to think why.

These cascades reflex badly upon this site.

I'll get a flash of insight to contribute one of these days.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,22:40   

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Quote (Henry J @ April 13 2012,16:07)
I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

I shutter to think why.

These cascades reflex badly upon this site.

I'll get a flash of insight to contribute one of these days.

I hate these nested threads. Needs disproportionate  scrolling.

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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,22:42   

Quote (OgreMkV @ April 15 2012,18:50)
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Quote (Henry J @ April 13 2012,16:07)
I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

I shutter to think why.

These cascades reflex badly upon this site.

I'll get a flash of insight to contribute one of these days.

Will it be worth the cost of your soul?

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
The geological maps that realist use to make money are all surface maps. -forastero

  
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,12:14   

O'Leary is a slimy lying scumbag, too. In her OP "Pond Hydra Makes Use of Light Without Having Eyes" not only does she flaunt her ignorance  
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Question: Is there any reason why the hydra or its precursors might not have had a more complex vision system a hundred million years ago, and dumped it in favour of simple light sensitivity? Just wondering …

she also accuses a scientist of fraud:  
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While we are here, we are told that Dan-Eric Nilsson was one of the hydra study team members, and the name rang a bell for some reason: Mathematician David Berlinski accused him of fraud:
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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,12:39   

http://godsipod.com/apologe....-design

http://www.discovery.org/a....509

Edited by midwifetoad on April 16 2012,12:41

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:16   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 16 2012,12:39)
http://godsipod.com/apologe....-design

http://www.discovery.org/a....50........509

I had read the letters from Nilsson et al. and was amazed Berlinski had had at least the decency to post them.

Is God's iPod another of O'Leary's blogs?

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:52   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 16 2012,12:14)
O'Leary is a slimy lying scumbag, too. In her OP "Pond Hydra Makes Use of Light Without Having Eyes" not only does she flaunt her ignorance    
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Question: Is there any reason why the hydra or its precursors might not have had a more complex vision system a hundred million years ago, and dumped it in favour of simple light sensitivity? Just wondering …

she also accuses a scientist of fraud:    
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While we are here, we are told that Dan-Eric Nilsson was one of the hydra study team members, and the name rang a bell for some reason: Mathematician David Berlinski accused him of fraud:
.

Ironically she mis-represents Berlinski - he's explicit that the scandal is about how the paper was represented, not the paper itself.

It's come to a sad state of affairs when IDists have to quote-mine themselves to make their point/smear someone (delete as appropriate).

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,14:23   

If they couldn't misrepresent and quote-mine things, they'd have nothing to say.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,14:28   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 16 2012,14:23)
If they couldn't misrepresent and quote-mine things, they'd have nothing to say.

this

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,14:40   

Funny how people with nothing to say use so many words to do so...

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,15:04   

Yeesh....



:(

  
NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,16:01   

Quote (Woodbine @ April 16 2012,15:04)
Yeesh....



:(

Crap.  That sucks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,16:20   

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Yeesh....



:(

Crap.  That sucks.

I'll pitch in some paypal for some flowers if someone else can organise.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,17:21   

Quote (Freddie @ April 15 2012,16:37)
Just when you thought it was not possible for UD to sink any lower than the Time photoshopped cover debacle, along comes slimy Sal.



Note: no links, and not photoshopped.

There are so many

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Just when you thought X could not sink any lower, along comes Slimy Sal...
moments, it could be it's own meme.

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,00:17   

I realize that Corny's insights consist merely in finding anything that can be construed as if it were contrary to evolution, without explaining anything at all of the vast number of data that are explained only by evolution, and, of course, without explaining any so-called "problems" for evolution by anything but meaningless fictions.  But I still thought it was interesting what a dung-heap of omissions and dishonesty his tripe about T. brucei's mitochondria is, so here's the abstract of, and a link to, a paper that discusses evolutionary relationships of the mitochondria of various kinetoplastids, as well as demonstrable relatedness to both bacteria and to mammalian mitochondria:

 
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Although eukaryotic mitochondrial (mt) ribosomes evolved from a putative prokaryotic ancestor their compositions vary considerably among organisms. We determined the protein composition of tandem affinity-purified Trypanosoma brucei mt ribosomes by mass spectrometry and identified 133 proteins of which 77 were associated with the large subunit and 56 were associated with the small subunit. Comparisons with bacterial and mammalian mt ribosomal proteins identified T. brucei mt homologs of L2–4, L7/12, L9, L11, L13–17, L20–24, L27–30, L33, L38, L43, L46, L47, L49, L52, S5, S6, S8, S9, S11, S15–18, S29, and S34, although the degree of conservation varied widely. Sequence characteristics of some of the component proteins indicated apparent functions in rRNA modification and processing, protein assembly, and mitochondrial metabolism implying possible additional roles for these proteins. Nevertheless most of the identified proteins have no homology outside Kinetoplastida implying very low conservation and/or a divergent function in kinetoplastid mitochondria.

Trypanosoma brucei Mitochondrial Ribosomes


It's BS to say that no one-offs are expected in evolution, of course (certain one-offs are, particularly mimics of any meaningful miraculous designs), not to mention that there's no reason why genes can't evolve well beyond the point where existing relatedness can actually be demonstrated.  Yet this mitochondrion is no one-off, although it's more than a little interesting in its evolutionary development, and, oh gee, our level of detailed knowledge of such evolution remains not great, while any knowledge of design remains as absent as ever.

Sure, that Corny's being dishonest any time the issue is evolution is obvious from his pattern of mendacity.  But it's still an interesting matter, not to mention one that evolution manages to explain partially, while ID is its usual abysm of ignorance.

Glen Davidson

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,04:00   

Quote (NormOlsen @ April 16 2012,23:01)
Quote (Woodbine @ April 16 2012,15:04)
Yeesh....



:(

Crap.  That sucks.

Ok, that really sucks. My thoughts to John.

Edited for typo.

Edited by Schroedinger's Dog on April 17 2012,11:01

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,04:02   

Mapou:
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Here’s something for the Biologic Institute to work on. Do a comparison of the genomes of bats and echo locating whales. Find the set of complex genes responsible for echolocation. If they are found to be identical or significantly identical, it would be proof of intelligent design. Why? Because whales and bats got separated into different branches of the tree of life eons before echolocation appeared in either species. Neither common descent, nor lateral gene transfer via viruses, nor convergence would be valid explanations. Only intelligent design in the form of code reuse would be the correct explanation.

gauger (presumably Ann):
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Will this do?
Liu et al (2010) Convergent sequence evolution between echolocating bats and dolphins. Current Biol 20:R53.

Liu et al (2010):
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Furthermore, we find evidence that these changes were driven by natural selection.


Tard

Paper

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,05:50   

so, is it like slipping into an old friend?

feel a little dirty?

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,05:55   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 17 2012,05:50)
so, is it like slipping into an old friend?

feel a little dirty?

It's strange. The golden nuggets of tard are few and far between these days.

Ann get's a pass as she is a bona fide "ID Scientist" (or as close as you can get) and is worth reporting against.

The others can sit in their YEC soup and stew, in silence.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,07:33   



Never has an idea been coddled more by its supporters than ID.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,08:09   

Quote (Patrick @ April 17 2012,07:33)


Never has an idea been coddled more by its supporters than ID.

Those of the wall.

Grrr grumble mumble mumph off my lawn grumble grumph.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,08:28   

Remember when Dembski cut 'n' pasted his face into that picture?

Poor bastard.

:D

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,11:46   

Quote (noncarborundum @ April 17 2012,09:09)
Quote (Patrick @ April 17 2012,07:33)


Never has an idea been coddled more by its supporters than ID.

Those of the wall.

Grrr grumble mumble mumph off my lawn grumble grumph.

Scientists do not coddle grammar either.

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,12:36   

Quote (paragwinn @ April 14 2012,00:02)
 
Quote (JohnW @ April 13 2012,14:21)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,14:18)
     
Quote (Freddie @ April 13 2012,16:15)
     
Quote (Henry J @ April 13 2012,16:07)
I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

Side note:

Lou is now f-stopping at f/1.2.

[Insert mondo big happy-dance grin regarding early birthday present here]

ETA: To wit:



Edited by Lou FCD on April 17 2012,14:03

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,13:42   

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 17 2012,12:36)
Side note:

Lou is now f-stopping at f/1.2.

Show off...

:D

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,15:34   

Quote (Robin @ April 17 2012,14:42)
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 17 2012,12:36)
Side note:

Lou is now f-stopping at f/1.2.

Show off...

:D

I just hope he doesn't accidentally leave the lens cap off.  That thing could suck all the light out of a room.

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,19:10   

Quote (Patrick @ April 17 2012,16:34)
Quote (Robin @ April 17 2012,14:42)
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 17 2012,12:36)
Side note:

Lou is now f-stopping at f/1.2.

Show off...

:D

I just hope he doesn't accidentally leave the lens cap off.  That thing could suck all the light out of a room.

:D

I'm still doing my happy dance. We should probably get back to talking about the dumbasses at UD, though.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,23:01   

Some late fallout from the implosion of Sewell's Applied Mathematics Letters writings:  
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Until the end of last year, Computers & Mathematics with Applications, an Elsevier title, was edited by Ervin Rodin. (The journal’s new editor is Leszek Demkowicz.) Rodin was also editor of Elsevier’s Applied Mathematics Letters, which retracted two bizarre papers last year, one of which was written by one of the co-authors of this latest retracted paper, and the other of which cost the publisher $10,000 when the author — an intelligent design advocate — sued. Rodin has also been replaced at Applied Mathematics Letters, by Alan Tucker.
(emphasis mine)

Applied Mathematics Letters' new editor promised that  
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The journal will also be applying higher standards in accepting papers for publication.


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