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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:30   

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To "Ramblin' Man"

Richtard was born a NAMBLA man, yeah

Liking all the little boys and diddling the best he can

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:31   

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Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,14:28)
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And only a NAMBLA fuck-head would think that what I am doing is counting letters- and here you are.

That is right Richtard.  If you read his primer on computing CSI, you will see that he was counting *characters*.  Letters aren't the only type of character. There is numbers AND punctuation AND spaces.

Wrong again dipshit- I was counting bits...

A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:32   

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Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:28)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 27 2012,16:25)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:18)
And only a NAMBLA fuck-head would think that what I am doing is counting letters- and here you are.

That is right Richtard.  If you read his primer on computing CSI, you will see that he was counting *characters*.  Letters aren't the only type of character. There is numbers AND punctuation AND spaces.

Wrong again dipshit- I was counting bits...

Ya see Joe, I am not too bright.  When you wrote:

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A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..


I totally thought a simple character count was a count of characters.  Mibad.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:32   

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Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:14)
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Richtard,

I have already done that, on more than one occasion.

Joe--I've been lurking here for a while and seen you say this a number of times. Could yoiu kindly link to the original post with the calculations so us "newbies" can see your work?

Thanks so much,

Tom

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:34   

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Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 27 2012,16:32)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:28)
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Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:18)
And only a NAMBLA fuck-head would think that what I am doing is counting letters- and here you are.

That is right Richtard.  If you read his primer on computing CSI, you will see that he was counting *characters*.  Letters aren't the only type of character. There is numbers AND punctuation AND spaces.

Wrong again dipshit- I was counting bits...

Ya see Joe, I am not too bright.  When you wrote:

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A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..


I totally thought a simple character count was a count of characters.  Mibad.

Yes obvioulsy you missed the second part where I converted it to BITS- just as Shannon did. Go figure...

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:34   

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Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 27 2012,16:31)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,14:28)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 27 2012,16:25)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:18)
And only a NAMBLA fuck-head would think that what I am doing is counting letters- and here you are.

That is right Richtard.  If you read his primer on computing CSI, you will see that he was counting *characters*.  Letters aren't the only type of character. There is numbers AND punctuation AND spaces.

Wrong again dipshit- I was counting bits...

A simple character count reveals 202 characters which translates into 1010 bits of information/ specified complexity..

Exactly John- BITS

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:36   

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A normal day at Joe's repair shop.




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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:36   

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Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:34)
Exactly John- BITS

So the CSI in your cake is?

And the recipe? What's the CSI in that?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:38   

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after *years* of "looking", still "just about" to find them, eh joey?

just think, if he finds 2 in your ass maybe there's a third!

hey, back to the ID labs!  To the machine!

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:38   

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Quote (Tom A @ Feb. 27 2012,16:32)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:14)
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Richtard,

I have already done that, on more than one occasion.

Joe--I've been lurking here for a while and seen you say this a number of times. Could yoiu kindly link to the original post with the calculations so us "newbies" can see your work?

Thanks so much,

Tom

Once again, I don't know why this is so difficult, but here it is:

Complex specified information is a specified subset of Shannon information. That means that complex specified information is Shannon information of a specified nature, ie with meaning and/ or function, and with a specified complexity.

Shannon's tells us that since there are 4 possible nucleotides, 4 = 2^2 = 2 bits of information per nucleotide. Also there are 64 different coding codons, 64 = 2^6 = 6 bits of information per amino acid, which, is the same as the three nucleotides it was translated from.

Take that and for example a 100 amino acid long functioning protein- a protein that cannot tolerate any variation, which means it is tightly specified and just do the math 100 x 6 + 6 (stop) = 606 bits of specified information- minimum, to get that protein. That means CSI is present and design is strongly supported.

Now if any sequence of those 100 amino acids can produce that protein then it isn't specified. IOW if every possible combo produced the same resulting protein, I would say that would put a hurt on the design inference.

The variational tolerance has to be figured in with the number of bits.

from Kirk K. Durston, David K. Y. Chiu, David L. Abel, Jack T. Trevors, “Measuring the functional sequence complexity of proteins,” <i>Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling</i>, Vol. 4:47 (2007):
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[N]either RSC [Random Sequence Complexity] nor OSC [Ordered Sequence Complexity], or any combination of the two, is sufficient to describe the functional complexity observed in living organisms, for neither includes the additional dimension of functionality, which is essential for life. FSC [Functional Sequence Complexity] includes the dimension of functionality. Szostak argued that neither Shannon’s original measure of uncertainty nor the measure of algorithmic complexity are sufficient. Shannon's classical information theory does not consider the meaning, or function, of a message. Algorithmic complexity fails to account for the observation that “different molecular structures may be functionally equivalent.” For this reason, Szostak suggested that a new measure of information—functional information—is required.


With text we use 5 bits per character which gives us the 26 letters of the alphabet and 6 other characters. The paper below puts it all together- peer-review. It tells you exactly how to measure the functional information, [url= http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2007....l]which is exactly what Dembski and Meyer[/url] are talking about wrt CSI. So read the paper it tells how to do exactly what you have been saying no one knows how to do- it isn't pro-ID and the use of AVIDA as evidence of "emergence" is dubious*, but the math is there for you to misunderstand or not comprehend.

Here is a formal way of measuring functional information:

Robert M. Hazen, Patrick L. Griffin, James M. Carothers, and Jack W. Szostak, "Functional information and the emergence of biocomplexity," <i>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences</i>, USA, Vol. 104:8574–8581 (May 15, 2007).

See also:

Jack W. Szostak, “Molecular messages,” <i>Nature</i>, Vol. 423:689 (June 12, 2003).




*1- Avida "organisms" are far too simple to be considered anything like a biological organism

2- Avida organisms "evolve" via unreasonable parameters:


The effects of low-impact mutations in digital organisms

Chase W. Nelson and John C. Sanford

Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling, 2011, 8:9 | doi:10.1186/1742-4682-8-9

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Abstract:

Background: Avida is a computer program that performs evolution experiments with digital organisms. Previous work has used the program to study the evolutionary origin of complex features, namely logic operations, but has consistently used extremely large mutational fitness effects. The present study uses Avida to better understand the role of low-impact mutations in evolution.

Results:

When mutational fitness effects were approximately 0.075 or less, no new logic operations evolved, and those that had previously evolved were lost. When fitness effects were approximately 0.2, only half of the operations evolved, reflecting a threshold for selection breakdown. In contrast, when Avida's default fitness effects were used, all operations routinely evolved to high frequencies and fitness increased by an average of 20 million in only 10,000 generations.


Conclusions:

Avidian organisms evolve new logic operations only when mutations producing them are assigned high-impact fitness effects. Furthermore, purifying selection cannot protect operations with low-impact benefits from mutational deterioration. These results suggest that selection breaks down for low-impact mutations below a certain fitness effect, the selection threshold. Experiments using biologically relevant parameter settings show the tendency for increasing genetic load to lead to loss of biological functionality. An understanding of such genetic deterioration is relevant to human disease, and may be applicable to the control of pathogens by use of lethal mutagenesis.

[B]

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:42   

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Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 27 2012,16:38)
after *years* of "looking", still "just about" to find them, eh joey?

just think, if he finds 2 in your ass maybe there's a third!

hey, back to the ID labs!  To the machine!

That would be two more neurions than you have

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

BTW: Joe, our position (i.e. evolution) does NOT require that there existed a species of ape-humans with 47 chromosomes.-Kevin McCarthy, ignorant of genetics

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:45   

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More posts being deleted?

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

BTW: Joe, our position (i.e. evolution) does NOT require that there existed a species of ape-humans with 47 chromosomes.-Kevin McCarthy, ignorant of genetics

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:47   

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I'm not sure what is funnier.  Joe's impotent little tantrum or the fact that Lou is running around like mad trying to cleanup.  

Hey Lou? Cleanup on Aisle Joe!



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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:48   

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Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 27 2012,16:47)
Mop up of JoeG bullshit on aisle 5.

Keep that shit on the Tardgasm thread.

Religious Vomit


Lou, you little piece of shit faggot

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:49   

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Lou, you piece of shit faggot

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

BTW: Joe, our position (i.e. evolution) does NOT require that there existed a species of ape-humans with 47 chromosomes.-Kevin McCarthy, ignorant of genetics

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:56   

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faggot

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

BTW: Joe, our position (i.e. evolution) does NOT require that there existed a species of ape-humans with 47 chromosomes.-Kevin McCarthy, ignorant of genetics

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:56   

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shit eater

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

BTW: Joe, our position (i.e. evolution) does NOT require that there existed a species of ape-humans with 47 chromosomes.-Kevin McCarthy, ignorant of genetics

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,16:57   

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Yup, if you can't beat them, delete them

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

BTW: Joe, our position (i.e. evolution) does NOT require that there existed a species of ape-humans with 47 chromosomes.-Kevin McCarthy, ignorant of genetics

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,17:00   

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Hey Lou FCD has "evolved" into quite the cowardly censor.

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,17:01   

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Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:56)
faggot

Lol. Scuttle of to UD now Joe, I believe Barry is ready for another go.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,17:04   

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Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 27 2012,17:01)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:56)
faggot

Lol. Scuttle of to UD now Joe, I believe Barry is ready for another go.

Actually, Barry has his hands full getting a taste of his own medicine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,17:09   

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Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 27 2012,17:01)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,16:56)
faggot

Lol. Scuttle of to UD now Joe, I believe Barry is ready for another go.

Scuttle off to your boyfriend's ass

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BTW: Joe, our position (i.e. evolution) does NOT require that there existed a species of ape-humans with 47 chromosomes.-Kevin McCarthy, ignorant of genetics

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,17:33   

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faggot loser

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,17:36   

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Lou you are missing your NAMBLA meeting...

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Smilodon's Retreat is a place for ignorant cowards

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2012,03:21   

Hey joe, when are you going to publish your extensive collection of CSI calculations in a peer reviewed journal? Have you told the Nobel Committee that you've refuted the ToE with hard evidence of CSI and other proofs of ID? I'm sure that they're anxious to hear from such a highly qualified, world renowned ID scientist and literary genius as you. Just think, when you win the prize(s), which is a cinch of course, you can use the money to but lots of ticks and watermelons for further studies, and maybe even some balls, and if there's still some money left you could buy some extra candles for your basement dwelling!

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2012,03:26   

Oh, by the way joe, which kind of cake has the most CSI, chocolate or lemon? I'm wondering because I'm trying to cut down on my CSI intake.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2012,08:48   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 29 2012,03:26)
Oh, by the way joe, which kind of cake has the most CSI, chocolate or lemon? I'm wondering because I'm trying to cut down on my CSI intake.

Duh, cake doesn't have CSI because it doesn't have a genome.  

Man, you gotta keep up.  That whole cake thing was just a confused mess... oh wait...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2012,09:48   

So, instead of counting the letters in the caek recipe, you count the bases in the coding sequence.

But you have to know what it does before you can tell if it has CSI.

So you have to know it has meaning, whatever the fuck that is, before you can tell if it's designed. Then you measure how designed it is.


Clearly, the winning Powerball ticket was an act of God. All the non-winning tickets are just random, but the winning ticket was designed.

What. The. Fuck.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2012,10:07   

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 29 2012,09:48)
So, instead of counting the letters in the caek recipe, you count the bases in the coding sequence.

But you have to know what it does before you can tell if it has CSI.

So you have to know it has meaning, whatever the fuck that is, before you can tell if it's designed. Then you measure how designed it is.


Clearly, the winning Powerball ticket was an act of God. All the non-winning tickets are just random, but the winning ticket was designed.

What. The. Fuck.

It gets better.  According to Joe, since Roulette wheels are designed, then the winners are actually front-loaded by the designers.

Who knew?  Now, I just need to get in good with a Roulette wheel manufacturer... or even a manufacturer of a deck of cards.  I can get them to front-load my as the winner and I'll be rich, rich I tell you... bwah hah ha...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 29 2012,12:48   

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[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]<br/><br/>Hey Lou FCD has "evolved" into quite the cowardly censor.

Pssst.  We can read this, dumbass!

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