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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,17:13   

Ackademic Freedum means everyone must gets tenyear.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,17:52   

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Baylor President Lilley Fired
William Dembski

This just in from Christianity Today. Lilley, you will recall, expelled Robert Marksís Evolutionary Informatics Lab from Baylor (for that story, go here).

July 24, 2008 9:57AM
President of Baylor University Fired
John Lilley had angered alumni, faculty, and others with tenure decisions...

Careful WAD - refrain from gloating. That leads to notpologies.

Plus now you two have something in common. Call him for a beer.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,18:10   

Way back in 1999, Dr. Dr. Dembski was awarded a $100,000 grant by the Templeton Foundation to write a book to be called Being as Communion: The Science and Metaphysics of Information. †After publishing No Free Lunch in 2002, Dembski asked the foundation for a second installment of the grant, but was told that NFL didn't meet the expectations of his original grant application. †You can read about it here from an authoritative source. †Dembski still hasn't produced the book.

The reason I bring this up is that last December I found myself looking at Dembski's CV on the Southwestern Babble School website and noticed that he made reference to the book as "Under contract with Ashgate Publishers..."

I sent an e-mail message to Dr. Dr. in December of '07 asking him when we might expect the book to be published. His response in full was:
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It'll be a while. Stay tuned. --WmAD


Not satisfied with that slippery response, I queried the publisher and received this response:
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The title "Being as Communion" is not yet published. †It will be published in both a paperback edition & cloth edition. †The title has an anticipated publication date of June 2008.


So I waited. †In cleaning out my mailbox I ran across the e-mails, and since it was now July of 2008, I went looking for the book to no avail. †Once again the publisher was queried, and today I got this in response:

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Dear Mr. Wynne:

Thank you for your e-mail.

I have checked our database & learned that this title has been pushed back. †It now has an anticipated publication date of December 2009.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


My emphasis.

Like Paul Nelson's greatly anticipated Ontogenetic Depth monograph, it must be a helluva book. †Only Nelson hasn't accepted grant money in support of his prevarications, as far as I know.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,22:24   

Jim_Wynne:
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So I waited.

In addition we are waiting for three papers Dembski announced on June 5th, 2007. According to his The Writings of William A. Dembski the drafts are today under review for 416 days. 416 days and counting.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,01:11   

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Now Dennis is an expert on university politics as well as cruelty to language.

I vaguely recall that Lilley's tenure denials were something of a reaction to higher levels of tenure acceptances in prior years, a reversion to the mean.

The discussion of this at UD earlier was excellent fun.  Denyse thought it was all to do with religious discrimination, but The Fork and Francis Beckwith argued it wasn't.  Of those three, guess who wasn't working at Baylor.  

WmAD also chimed in offering to throw some statistics at the data, and larrynormanfan generally enjoyed himself.  Ah, good times.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,06:00   

kairosfocus sez:
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Pardon a fairly direct observation: when adherents of ó and, especially, advocates for ó a theory/research programme begin to disavow their more or less direct intellectual progenitors, that is a telling sign.

It sure is, Gordon. †ID isn't creationism in a cheap tuxedo, right?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,07:53   

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kairosfocus sez:
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Pardon a fairly direct observation: when adherents of ó and, especially, advocates for ó a theory/research programme begin to disavow their more or less direct intellectual progenitors, that is a telling sign.

It sure is, Gordon. †ID isn't creationism in a cheap tuxedo, right?

Whoa there! He didn't specify what kind of a sign it is. Could mean anything.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,08:52   

Olegt wrote:

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It sure is, Gordon.  ID isn't creationism in a cheap tuxedo, right?


Speaking of cheap tuxedos, maybe THIS is what GEM of tardischokus looks like:



Yep, that's him on the left.   :)

  
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,09:43   

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DoL: For some of us, making a living writing is like making a living plumbing.

That explains so much...


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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,10:36   

Ya ya, Quidam.  And if one considers the quality of Dennis' work with either, one gets this image:


  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,10:48   

Just googled our buddy Gordon and found this article in the Jamaica Gleaner that describes him as "well-meaning but with a surfeit of zeal over knowledge."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,11:18   

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Just googled our buddy Gordon and found this article in the Jamaica Gleaner that describes him as "well-meaning but with a surfeit of zeal over knowledge."

Our Gordon is currently attacking homosexuals on the basis of "it's obvious"
 
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A serious discussion that must address the point that it is self-evident that maleness and femaleness are complementary and fundamentally so in a way that maleness and maleness or femaleness and femaleness are not.


http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/

I suspect that Mr Mullings is one of the few people who can claim their blog is even more tedious then O'Leary's multiple blogs.

Check this out

Google search for "self-evident" and "Kairosfocus"

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baikinman



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,11:59   

This and this made my day.

Wow! $100 and a the personal scribbling of Mike Behe. Be still be beating heart. Where can I sign up for next year's prize?

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,12:36   

O'Leary notes IDC paranoia as evidence that IDC paranoia is justified:

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I notice that at Overwhelming Evidence, Sam Chen announces that a student sympathetic to intelligent design has received the Cassey (sic) Luskin Graduate Award, but

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   The recipient of the 2008 Casey Luskin Graduate Award will remain anonymous for the protection of the recipientÖ.


Itís interesting to reflect on that in view of the many legacy media know-nothings panning the Expelled documentary, insisting that there is no evidence that anyone has suffered discrimination on account of sympathy for design as a feature of nature.

And they wonder why the blogosphere is whacking the heck out of them Ö


Last year, it was pretty obvious that the "Luskin Award" for consistent denial of reality went to Hannah Maxson. Did anything, you know, paranoia-inducing happen to Maxson this past year, Denyse? No? And this year, the stalwart IDC cheerleader who scored the "Luskin Award" is apparently so effective that no one has even bothered to figure out who it might have been. Of the folks featured in Expelled, you've got a guy who likely picked at least two out of three reviewers out of the DI "Dissent from Darwin" hat and cried later when people didn't think that was such a great way for an editor to behave; a fellow who spent his pre-tenure run-up writing an IDC cheerleading book -- while failing to publish much of anything and failing to bring in funding that had to do with his academic field of study; and a woman whose antievolution materials presented in the classroom likely could have been improved upon by Kent Hovind.

It's like I said in 2002; maybe the DI is paying the wrong people. But I suspect that competence and IDC advocacy are immiscible. Like that final "whacking" comment... the link goes to a very brief article about an overall decline in newspaper circulation, but nowhere does it say that blogs or "the blogosphere" is a causal factor. Is a 10% drop in circulation coincident with an incipient recession or worse something that requires an ancillary conjecture?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,12:55   

In fairness, Ms. Maxson has been hiding out in Mongolia.  Now, I did try and send some of my trained killer gerbils after her, but they all died of plague.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,13:05   

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In fairness, Ms. Maxson has been hiding out in Mongolia. †Now, I did try and send some of my trained killer gerbils after her, but they all died of plague.

I have dispatched Darwinian thought police black-opps death 'copters. The only way she can avoid detection now is by wrapping her head in tinfoil.

Whilst they're there I gave them some fake transitionals to bury.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,13:10   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 25 2008,11:18)
http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/

I suspect that Mr Mullings is one of the few people who can claim their blog is even more tedious then O'Leary's multiple blogs.

Check this out

Google search for "self-evident" and "Kairosfocus"

Yes, indeed, thank you for the link.  I clicked on it and got
Gordo-Rolled, instead of Rick-rolled.

What became "self-evident" to me after viewing an entire, unabridged Gordon cairosfocus post, is that somehow, someway, Gordo and BA77 share a common ancestor.  And in the not too recent past either.

Holy Crapola that some serious bad!  

Twin sons of different mothers?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,13:56   

Dennis also recently linked to a Times Higher Ed review of Steve Fuller's new book, a review written by a theologian. Tard on a hill cannot be hidden.

It's not clear in the review who thinks †
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It is a good integrating hypothesis - as good as astrology (now disproved) and Darwinian evolution (another grand theory that may soon be disproved).


Somewhat telling, though, that Fuller brought this review to the attention of Dennis. "Buy my book!"

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,14:29   

Also telling that Ward pans Fuller's book, albeit gently.  And Fuller, apparently, still wants people to read the review.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,14:40   

WMAD
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Denyse, Youíre too kind (to Atticus that is). Iíve booted him/her off the forum.


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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,14:50   

Dembski is working on the myth of being EXPELLED:
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The most notable case was an old mathematician friend of mine from the University of Chicago (now elsewhere) who didnít want to be acknowledged for providing the crucial help I needed to prove a theorem that is the key to a paper Bob Marks and I currently have under submission at THE JOURNAL OF THEORETICAL BIOLOGY (well, actually, no, itís not been submitted there; but if it were and if I had just announced it here, you can be sure the editors at JTB would hear about it and urged to reject it).
He doesn't even consider the possibility that his paper could be rejected just because it is bad.
As I mentioned earlier today Dembski has three other papers under review for 416 days!
BTW, didn't he and MArks anounce a new ID journal a few months ago?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,14:55   

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Dembski is working on the myth of being EXPELLED:  
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The most notable case was an old mathematician friend of mine from the University of Chicago (now elsewhere) who didnít want to be acknowledged for providing the crucial help I needed to prove a theorem that is the key to a paper Bob Marks and I currently have under submission at THE JOURNAL OF THEORETICAL BIOLOGY (well, actually, no, itís not been submitted there; but if it were and if I had just announced it here, you can be sure the editors at JTB would hear about it and urged to reject it).
He doesn't even consider the possibility that his paper could be rejected just because it is bad.
As I mentioned earlier today Dembski has three other papers under review for 416 days!
BTW, didn't he and MArks anounce a new ID journal a few months ago?

Yes.  JOEI!!!1!1!1!!!

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that their journal is named after failed TV sitcom?



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,15:44   

The stards come out in full force. †Denyse and Dr Dr are joined by the eponym* of the Casey Luskin Award:
 
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Another dimension of my job is to assist students and faculty who are victims of this persecution. †But Iím trying to help end the persecution. On a daily basis I see persecution of ID proponents that no one even hears about because we canít make it publicĖto protect the victims. Those like Atticus Finch who blame the victims are part of the problem, not the solution.

If so many people are indeed being "persecuted", how come the victims aren't suing the pants off the Darwinist establishment?

*Bonus points for identifying the eponym.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,15:50   

Wow! †The peasants are revolting. †Frost122585 asks: where is teh ID Science?
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The real question is where will ID take us? ID needs to be turned into a fruitful scientific paradigm if it is to replace Darwinism. It will only be able to do this when itís advocates are able to show why ID is the superior road for the progress of science to take.

Watch for Dr Dr's reaction.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,16:10   

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Wow! †The peasants are revolting. †Frost122585 asks: where is teh ID Science?
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The real question is where will ID take us? ID needs to be turned into a fruitful scientific paradigm if it is to replace Darwinism. It will only be able to do this when itís advocates are able to show why ID is the superior road for the progress of science to take.

Watch for Dr Dr's reaction.



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,17:20   

Quote (Bob O'H @ July 25 2008,15:29)
Also telling that Ward pans Fuller's book, albeit gently. †And Fuller, apparently, still wants people to read the review.

As Mozart says in Amadeus, when you read words like this, what can you say but... Fuller!

(Though Fodor and Berlinski do come to mind...)

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,18:59   

OH NOES! ID IS REAL SCIENCE!!!!1111..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-293137

Weaksauce

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,21:00   

Quote (carlsonjok @ July 25 2008,12:55)
 
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Dembski is working on the myth of being EXPELLED: † †  
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The most notable case was an old mathematician friend of mine from the University of Chicago (now elsewhere) who didnít want to be acknowledged for providing the crucial help I needed to prove a theorem that is the key to a paper Bob Marks and I currently have under submission at THE JOURNAL OF THEORETICAL BIOLOGY (well, actually, no, itís not been submitted there; but if it were and if I had just announced it here, you can be sure the editors at JTB would hear about it and urged to reject it).
He doesn't even consider the possibility that his paper could be rejected just because it is bad.
As I mentioned earlier today Dembski has three other papers under review for 416 days!
BTW, didn't he and MArks anounce a new ID journal a few months ago?

Yes. †JOEI!!!1!1!1!!!

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that their journal is named after failed TV sitcom?

You must mean this journal.



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(Permalink) Posted: July 26 2008,00:41   

Wrong picture, Arden.  That picture shows something that had a pulse at some point in time.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 26 2008,02:56   

Better?



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