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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2014,16:01   

Professor Claims California State University Fired Him Over His Creationists Belief

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There is a controversy at the California State University where scientist Mark Armitage claims that he was fired for his creationist beliefs as an evangelical Christian. Armitage recently published a paper where he suggested that soft tissue that he found in a triceratops suggested that the animal died no more than 4000 years ago rather than the common view putting extinction at 65 million years ago. The school is investigating his claim of religious discrimination.

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2014,16:38   

Quote (stevestory @ July 31 2014,16:01)
Professor Claims California State University Fired Him Over His Creationists Belief

   
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There is a controversy at the California State University where scientist Mark Armitage claims that he was fired for his creationist beliefs as an evangelical Christian. Armitage recently published a paper where he suggested that soft tissue that he found in a triceratops suggested that the animal died no more than 4000 years ago rather than the common view putting extinction at 65 million years ago. The school is investigating his claim of religious discrimination.

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Mark Armitage, eh? Back when EvoWiki was an active thing (as opposed to the fossilized appendage of the RationalWiki Foundation that it's been for the past few years now), Armitage got bent out of shape because the EW page on him said, in part, "Armitage's publication 'The effect of thermal stress on radiohalos in biotites' has been extensively criticized by Kurt Hollocher [http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/mark.htm], who pointed out that Armitage made many errors and his experiments were poorly designed." Armitage whined about how Hollocher din't know nothin' about radiohaloes and Hollocher didn't publish his rebuttal in the same journal that published Armitage's paper in a boringly typical exhibition of Creationist rhetoric designed to impugn a critic without ever coming to grips with the substance of their criticism.

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2014,16:39   

It's crappy if true. Sounds like they've lost a good scientist (YEC notwithstanding).

This though....

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The lawsuit alleges that in the weeks leading up to his termination, Armitage's boss, Ernest Kwok, "stormed into" his lab and shouted, "'We are not going to tolerate your religion in this department!!"


....has the whiff of a Jack Chick tract.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2014,16:40   

There would be no reason in the world for CSUN to lay someone off just for publishing the paper he did.  This looks for all the world to be Coppedge, part 2.  YEC gets laid off for normal budget related reasons, screams religious discrimination.  You can bet CMI is bankrolling this golden publicity and propaganda opportunity.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2014,16:48   

Quote (Woodbine @ July 31 2014,17:39)
It's crappy if true. Sounds like they've lost a good scientist (YEC notwithstanding).

This though....

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The lawsuit alleges that in the weeks leading up to his termination, Armitage's boss, Ernest Kwok, "stormed into" his lab and shouted, "'We are not going to tolerate your religion in this department!!"


....has the whiff of a Jack Chick tract.

and that marine's name...

...was Albert Einstein

:p

   
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2014,18:54   

What professor?

Armitage is a techician.

His degree is from the ICR!

I say coppedge the bugger!

  
Learned Hand



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(Permalink) Posted: July 31 2014,19:23   

I don't know much about employment law, but with that said, this looks like a fairly weak complaint to me. Paragraph 19 says that Armitage "would engage in brief socratic dialog about the possible age of the horn," which reads to me like a carefully-worded admission that he was using his position to proselytize. I don't think FEHA protects preaching on the job.

  
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