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Seversky



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,08:00   

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Reserve Met! So it's going to sell, that's cool. price is creeping up. Fingers Crossed that TO gets it.

Fingers crossed, of course. But the fact is religion is where the big money is.

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,08:57   

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Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 28 2011,04:05)
I've seen an idea floated elsewhere that strikes me as something we could aim for if the bid goes our way. It was suggested that a documentary about the making of "Expelled" could be an interesting project.

I'd suggest a working title of "Intelligently Designed Lies: The Creation of 'Expelled'".









What? That is the soft version.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You're much nicer than I am. I have a series of working titles in mind.

Louis

"Creationism at a Crossroads: the Evolution of Expelled." Now, that's a nice title. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:03   

I am very surprised at the size of the bids. I had made a side offer for $200 if it would have closed the deal. It would have had to have been $20,000.


8461 152000.00 Jun-28-2011 11:03am 152000.00 8461

8468 199500.00 Jun-28-2011 11:10am 201000.00 8461

OH!

Edited by Dr.GH on June 28 2011,08:20

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kevinmillerxi



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:11   

I think L. Susskind needs to read Thomas Kuhn.

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:23   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 28 2011,08:11)
I think L. Susskind needs to read Thomas Kuhn.

Kevie, not only are you a lying sack of shit, you are presumptuous as well.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:27   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 28 2011,10:11)
I think L. Susskind needs to read Thomas Kuhn.

Oh, the invocation of Thomas Kuhn! *Tremble* ;)

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kevinmillerxi



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:27   

Not exactly a well reasoned response, but not unexpected, either.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:30   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 28 2011,10:27)
Not exactly a well reasoned response, but not unexpected, either.

Musical choice for your new film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2cTc7DofrA

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kevinmillerxi



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:31   

I love it. Thanks, Richard.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:33   

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Not exactly a well reasoned response, but not unexpected, either.

What, precisely, is it about your ideas and claims (and by extension, those various flavours of creationism you espouse) that deserves a reasoned response? The reasoned responses occurred decades ago and you and your ideological chums ignored them. It's time for the pointing and the laughing.

When you make claims that so heavily fly in the teeth of the available evidence, when you slander people as BUNNIES in your "work", why on earth do you expect anything other than the ridicule you richly deserve?

Louis

P.S. Susskind probably HAS read Thomas Kuhn. If he has I'd put money on the fact that he understood it. Mind you, even if he hasn't read it and/or doesn't understand it, he would share something with you, eh Kevvo.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:35   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 28 2011,10:27)
Not exactly a well reasoned response, but not unexpected, either.


Is there any response criticizing ID you'd accept as "well-reasoned", Kevin? I doubt it. Try this one: forget for a moment that there's no actual research supporting the concept of ID, ID doesn't explain anything and is of no utility. That's really all there is to it.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:35   

Whoa! There's an auto edit in place that replaces the word "BUNNIES"* with "Bunnies".

Louis

*N.A.Z.I.S.

ETA: I have double checked. It exists. I disapprove. Censorship is very silly.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:36   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 28 2011,10:27)
Not exactly a well reasoned response, but not unexpected, either.

I really get under your skin, don't I? :)

Your statement is a non-sequitur. Read and learn.

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kevinmillerxi



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:38   

If Susskind has read Kuhn, then I'd like to hear him justify his analogy in light of the relationship Kuhn draws between science and philosophy, b/c I would call Susskind's statement is a gross oversimplification.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:41   

$201,000 for a failed movie?  Maybe there was blackmail material :D and Ben Stein needed to keep it out of the public eye.

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kevinmillerxi



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:47   

What I'm saying is that the relationship between science and philosophy isn't uni-directional like a cart pulling a horse. I would liken it more to two oxen attached to the same yoke. Sometimes they pull together, sometimes they pull against each other. Sometimes one leads and the other follows, and then it switches again. There's far more interplay going on that Susskind acknowledges in that (admittedly) brief quote (the context of which I'm unaware).

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:49   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 28 2011,16:38)
If Susskind has read Kuhn, then I'd like to hear him justify his analogy in light of the relationship Kuhn draws between science and philosophy, b/c I would call Susskind's statement is a gross oversimplification.

Then, and this is a wonderful piece of advice you can use in your life from this point forward:

ASK HIM!

Amazing, I know. Instead of wasting everyone else's time you can simply email the man himself. Here, I'll even help you:

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"Dear Dr Susskind,

My name is Kevin. I was a writer on the creationist propaganda movie Expelled and I enjoy frequenting various bits of the internet to continue shilling for my odious, dishonest little screed in which I slander actual scientists and misrepresent science. Please, please, please could you tell me if you've read anything by Thomas Kuhn because I am trying to pretend I've read a book to some strangers on the internet. If you say you have read it I will be able to continue in the illusion that I am weally, weeally serious and important. Thank you and big kisses.

Yours

Kevin Miller"


No, no. There's no need to thank me. I'll even help you more.
Here are his contact details. Now I know that my getting hold of them involved some "research" and that is a little tough for you creationists, but try it out. You might like it. Doubtful, but I live in hope.

Louis

ETA: P.S. You seem to have a problem with Dr GH's sig line. Mine should be the one that gives you more problems, Kevvo.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,10:58   

Hey Kevin,

remind me again where Sternberg is currently doing research...

Thanks

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,11:08   

You're talking to someone whose undergrad was in Lit. There are three essay topics that I would automatically exclude from any incoming freshman writing class simply to spare the faculty any more of this dreck:

1. Why I think deer/rabbit hunting is evil
2. Why my mother/father is my greatest hero
3. How "worldview" influences those who don't have Jesus until a "paradigm-shift" hits them too, etc.

Because, really! It becomes difficult to grade papers when the students seem to be plagiarizing each other when, in fact, they're not.

Let's move on.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,11:11   

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$201,000 for a failed movie? Maybe there was blackmail material :D and Ben Stein needed to keep it out of the public eye.

Imagine the winner is Yoko Ono.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,11:12   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 28 2011,10:27)
Not exactly a well reasoned response, but not unexpected, either.

Then it falls to you to explain the flaws.

But no, typical creationist. Says something is wrong but cannot explain why.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,11:14   

I really want to know who were the two players that took it up that far.

Did the whole movie cost $200k to make?

I'm with Wesley, let's make our own.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,11:20   

Quote (Louis @ June 28 2011,10:35)

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Whoa! There's an auto edit in place that replaces the word "BUNNIES"* with "Bunnies".

Louis

*N.A.Z.I.S.

ETA: I have double checked. It exists. I disapprove. Censorship is very silly.


Godwin's Lagomorphic Codicil?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,11:25   

Quote (OgreMkV @ June 28 2011,12:14)
I really want to know who were the two players that took it up that far.

Did the whole movie cost $200k to make?

I'm with Wesley, let's make our own.

Actually, 8461's MaxBid is yet unknown. It could have been 225K. We just know that 8468 ran out of money at 200K.

But based on the timestamps, the bidding should have stopped a few minutes earlier. It looks to me like 8461 won with a MaxBid around 120K.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,11:40   

I like the idea of Ben Stein buying the film to promote it again himself, with the more ambitious original version finally getting out there. The history of cinema goes from the shot of an approaching train to that of a trainwreck.

And I do suspect that the pre-production of Expelled cost a pretty penny.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,11:47   

I see no point in ANYONE wasting their money on Expelled. I spent $8.00 on it a couple of years ago, and that was enough forever. It was a crappy movie, and it should be forgotten. Let dead dogs stay dead.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,12:02   

Quote (Robin @ June 28 2011,17:20)
[quote=Louis,June 28 2011,10:35][/quote]
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Whoa! There's an auto edit in place that replaces the word "BUNNIES"* with "Bunnies".

Louis

*N.A.Z.I.S.

ETA: I have double checked. It exists. I disapprove. Censorship is very silly.


Godwin's Lagomorphic Codicil?

Your ideas are interesting and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Louis

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,12:05   

What say we take all that collected money and use it to buy the rights to Firefly/Serenity and get that back on the air? Hey...at least it was a quality show!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,12:20   

Quote (dvunkannon @ June 28 2011,12:25)
Quote (OgreMkV @ June 28 2011,12:14)
I really want to know who were the two players that took it up that far.

Did the whole movie cost $200k to make?

I'm with Wesley, let's make our own.

Actually, 8461's MaxBid is yet unknown. It could have been 225K. We just know that 8468 ran out of money at 200K.

But based on the timestamps, the bidding should have stopped a few minutes earlier. It looks to me like 8461 won with a MaxBid around 120K.

OK, I see the "no sniping" rule extended the bidding. Sorry about previous post.

Interesting behavior in the bidding that the two big spenders didn't show up until the night before, then they inflated the price by an order of magnitude. It doesn't look like TOAF got to bid at all.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,12:23   

Quote (dvunkannon @ June 28 2011,12:20)
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 28 2011,12:25)
Quote (OgreMkV @ June 28 2011,12:14)
I really want to know who were the two players that took it up that far.

Did the whole movie cost $200k to make?

I'm with Wesley, let's make our own.

Actually, 8461's MaxBid is yet unknown. It could have been 225K. We just know that 8468 ran out of money at 200K.

But based on the timestamps, the bidding should have stopped a few minutes earlier. It looks to me like 8461 won with a MaxBid around 120K.

OK, I see the "no sniping" rule extended the bidding. Sorry about previous post.

Interesting behavior in the bidding that the two big spenders didn't show up until the night before, then they inflated the price by an order of magnitude. It doesn't look like TOAF got to bid at all.

Is OK.  The website is a new one for me and I wasn't sure I was reading the data correctly.

Ah well.

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