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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,07:00   

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My Greek is a little rusty, but I think I got "F*** Clivebaby and the horse he rode in on."

I can haz humanateez duhploma now?

Close. For a clue, click the Greek.

You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person. (Just look at the bottom of your shoe.)



A lot of people probably don't know that tard is a Greek term, as when Hippasus, the discoverer of irrational numbers, said "Pythagoras is a tard." (That was just before Pythagoras had him tossed overboard.)

By the way, Heraclitus is called "the weeping philosopher". (Probably because they were new shoes.)

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,07:46   

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i have a blog satirizing satire.

it's pretty much just a mirror and a glass of some warm slightly flat spring water.

Turns out he's "Wascally Wabbit" whose blog Dembski had previously plugged a few months back. I'm pretty sure he's also a Baylor Director of Spanish and Portuguese div. named Mike Thomas, but that's just a deep, deep suspicion as of yet:
http://www.baylor.edu/spanish/index.php?id=12339
http://www.mikethomas.net/about_the_author
http://aharvestofmiracles.blogspot.com/

that's thoroughness!

he mentioned to you that he was an administrator.

he didn't have to say that he was a sophist, it was obvious.  that blag is a piece of shite.

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,08:12   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 10 2009,06:31)
Is there anything in the world that Cornelius Hunter doesn't think is religion?  Gretta Garbo's aunt Bessie's knees?  Maybe a sharp stick in the eye?

How about ID?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,08:32   

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Is there anything in the world that Cornelius Hunter doesn't think is religion?  Gretta Garbo's aunt Bessie's knees?  Maybe a sharp stick in the eye?

How about ID?

That science is a religion and that religion is a science.

Darwinism violates the separation of church and state but creationism is simply following the evidence.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,08:42   

that hurts my brain but i know that is pretty close to what some of the dooshes think

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,09:24   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 10 2009,09:32)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 10 2009,08:12)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 10 2009,06:31)
Is there anything in the world that Cornelius Hunter doesn't think is religion?  Gretta Garbo's aunt Bessie's knees?  Maybe a sharp stick in the eye?

How about ID?

That science is a religion and that religion is a science.

Darwinism violates the separation of church and state but creationism is simply following the evidence.

that, and the mystical views of 19th century ichthyologists are proof that everyone else worships chance.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
BillB



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,09:44   

Learned hand responds to KF:  
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Learned Hand
09/10/2009
9:04 am
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(KF) I of course refuse to go off on his latest red herring headed off to as strawman soaked in ad hominems.

If you post your mailing address, I would be quite happy to send you a thesaurus.

LOL.

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,15:56   

Damn, it's quiet around here.

Too quiet.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,16:01   

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niwrad: John von Neumann, an IDer ante litteram

Hungarian mathematician John von Neumann (1903 – 1957) ...

Von Neumann quite clearly understood and accepted the Theory of Evolution.

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niwrad: Moreover we have the concept of “autotrophic” replicator. An autotrophic replicator is not a replicator that needs an external provider of basic parts, rather it can self-reproduce finding the necessary materials by itself in the wild. Biological cells are even autotrophic replicators.

The "necessary materials" for many autotrophs being just air, water and a few dissolved minerals.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,16:03   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 10 2009,15:56)
Damn, it's quiet around here.

Too quiet.

Well, it is your turn.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,16:07   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 10 2009,21:56)
Damn, it's quiet around here.

Too quiet.

It's not quiet here. I showed the kid UD last week. He hasn't stopped crying yet.

I'm due in court Monday. Social Services have called round.

Louis

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,16:34   

Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 10 2009,14:01)
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niwrad: John von Neumann, an IDer ante litteram

Hungarian mathematician John von Neumann (1903 – 1957) ...

Von Neumann quite clearly understood and accepted the Theory of Evolution.

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niwrad: Moreover we have the concept of “autotrophic” replicator. An autotrophic replicator is not a replicator that needs an external provider of basic parts, rather it can self-reproduce finding the necessary materials by itself in the wild. Biological cells are even autotrophic replicators.

The "necessary materials" for many autotrophs being just air, water and a few dissolved minerals.

Yes, but he meets the essential criterion for recruitment into UD's "Distinguished scientists who support us" club.  He's too dead to disagree.

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Reg



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,16:46   

Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 10 2009,16:34)
Yes, but he meets the essential criterion for recruitment into UD's "Distinguished scientists who support us" club.  He's too dead to disagree.

Von Neumann seems to have had the whole ID movement nailed down quite well, even going so far as to lay down the ground rules for their approach to both mathematics and biology:
 
Quote (Von Neumann @ possibly apocryphal)
"There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about."

That's as true today as it ever was.

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Reg



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,17:00   

I've just had a thought. UncommonDescent describes John von Neumann as "an IDer ante litteram". But I'm sure I've seen many posts on UD flatly denying that Intelligent Design is any kind of a recent notion (like, say, some kind of rebranding of creationism) and insisting that ID is ancient and well-established, invoking Aristotle and Newton and other great names back into the mists of history as great ID proponents. But if that's the case, and ID is so well established and not at all new, how come ID could have been ante litterum as recently as von Neumann's days of the 1950s? I would ask there, but have no confidence the question would see the light of day.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,17:23   

Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 10 2009,17:01)
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niwrad: John von Neumann, an IDer ante litteram

Hungarian mathematician John von Neumann (1903 – 1957) ...

Von Neumann quite clearly understood and accepted the Theory of Evolution.

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niwrad: Moreover we have the concept of “autotrophic” replicator. An autotrophic replicator is not a replicator that needs an external provider of basic parts, rather it can self-reproduce finding the necessary materials by itself in the wild. Biological cells are even autotrophic replicators.

The "necessary materials" for many autotrophs being just air, water and a few dissolved minerals.

Not sure what nirwad's first language is, but it isn't English.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,19:32   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Sep. 10 2009,15:23)
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 10 2009,17:01)
 
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niwrad: John von Neumann, an IDer ante litteram

Hungarian mathematician John von Neumann (1903 – 1957) ...

Von Neumann quite clearly understood and accepted the Theory of Evolution.

 
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niwrad: Moreover we have the concept of “autotrophic” replicator. An autotrophic replicator is not a replicator that needs an external provider of basic parts, rather it can self-reproduce finding the necessary materials by itself in the wild. Biological cells are even autotrophic replicators.

The "necessary materials" for many autotrophs being just air, water and a few dissolved minerals.

Not sure what nirwad's first language is, but it isn't English.

From previous encounters with niwrad at UD, I gather that he is Italian. I wonder if he is Giuseppe Sermonti.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,20:52   

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Not sure what nirwad's first language is, but it isn't English.

Maybe it's hsilgnE?

Henry

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,21:44   

lolol

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Cornelius: “3. We can make a design inference. People have always done this, and we can formalize methods to do this.”

I understand a little about CSI, explanatory filters etc, although I’m not a mathematician so some of the math is beyond me. But these concepts are often presented in a generalized way (or apply to the whole evolutionary landscape); what I’m interested in understanding further is the idea of the “formalized methods” that Cornelius mentions being applied to a specific artifact. For example, is it possible to show the working documentation for how a conclusion of design inference was derived for, say, the flagellum?


um, no.

but you knew that, right?  

what does Corny Tard say?

"Ummmm yeah i know all about that or not enough any way read this blag"

lolol

Seversky, I extol thee.  Thou hast survived the tard for many moons.

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Cornelius Hunter @ 32
You need to read Sober.

This would be the same Elliott Sober who concluded an article entitled What is wrong with Intelligent Design? with the sentence:

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In all its forms, ID fails to constitute a serious alternative to evolutionary theory.


Here I must agree. We need to read Sober.


lololol

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,02:46   

Gordon Mullings is still posting on the Weasel thread
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Absent such, this thread will have achieved something else, which is perhaps even more important if we care about science and our civlisation: it demonstrates the utter willful untruthfulness and unfairness of typical darwinist approaches to origins science issues and to those who challenge the holy rulings of the a priori materialism neo-magisterium wearing the holy vestments of scientists’ lab coats.
Tard.

No Gordon, what the thread shows is that no matter what the evidence shows you think Dembski = Right.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,03:12   

bah..mis qued
Zac how did you yo get the greek alphabet to show?

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,05:51   

Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 11 2009,01:12)
Zac how did you yo get the greek alphabet to show?

He cheated. It's not text, it's an image file.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,06:26   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 11 2009,06:51)
 
Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 11 2009,01:12)
Zac how did you yo get the greek alphabet to show?

He cheated. It's not text, it's an image file.

Cheating? That's how the Greeks did it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,07:32   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 11 2009,06:26)
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 11 2009,06:51)
 
Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 11 2009,01:12)
Zac how did you yo get the greek alphabet to show?

He cheated. It's not text, it's an image file.

Cheating? That's how the Greeks did it.

Typical atheist materialist evilutionist behaviour, cheating with image files.

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,08:00   

Funny, the Greek characters I typed in MSWord displayed properly in preview but came out as ?????'s in the submitted post.




Edited.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,08:11   

Quote (Quack @ Sep. 11 2009,08:00)
           
Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 11 2009,03:12)
bah..mis qued
Zac how did you yo get the greek alphabet to show?

Or, you can do it with Insert Symbol in MSWord..., like ?????????????????????????

Tried that.
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 08 2009,08:05)
The Greek alphabet didn't format correctly. Nevermind.


Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 11 2009,06:26)
             
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 11 2009,06:51)
                 
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Zac how did you yo get the greek alphabet to show?

He cheated. It's not text, it's an image file.

Cheating? That's how the Greeks did it.

The first version, Aristotle drew in the sand, but we had trouble putting it into the scanner. Plato suggested we just had to idealize it in our minds, but that didn't work quite right either. Finally, we carved it in stone, then scanned it. There may have been an easier way, but that was all we could think of at the time. (Whilst Democritus laughed the whole time, Socrates just kept asking a bunch of silly questions, like who the heck we were trying to impress.)

Meanwhile, if you want the text, just click the image.






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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,09:17   

GEM's intellectual corpse is still being kicked:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....-333750

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Indium

09/11/2009

9:02 am
DNA_Jock:
I have asked kf more or less the same question over 10 times now, for example in post 194 here.

He will continue to avoid answering it. Maybe the reason is that it is so obvious that these two searches, called “Partitioned” and “Proximity Reward”, are completely different.


Prosthelytizing: Never having to admit you're wrong.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,11:16   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 11 2009,02:46)
Gordon Mullings is still posting on the Weasel thread
   
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Absent such, this thread will have achieved something else, which is perhaps even more important if we care about science and our civlisation: it demonstrates the utter willful untruthfulness and unfairness of typical darwinist approaches to origins science issues and to those who challenge the holy rulings of the a priori materialism neo-magisterium wearing the holy vestments of scientists’ lab coats.
Tard.

No Gordon, what the thread shows is that no matter what the evidence shows you think Dembski = Right.

I must strictly disagree here: KF is such a pompous dick that he is absolutely sure that he is right. That Dembski happens to share some of his views is just an accident. And it is still not clear if Dembski even cares about FSCI.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,12:04   

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He will continue to avoid answering it. Maybe the reason is that it is so obvious that these two searches, called “Partitioned” and “Proximity Reward”, are completely different.
As others have pointed out, all you have to do is sit down to program a Weasel algorithm, and it becomes clear that passing the location of correct letters is much more complex than selecting the child closest to the target. One could differentiate the algorithms by the number of steps and tests required to generate a population.

In the case of self replicators, no information at all is passed to the replicator.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,12:20   

Quote (sparc @ Sep. 11 2009,12:16)
I must strictly disagree here: KF is such a pompous dick that he is absolutely sure that he is right. That Dembski happens to share some of his views is just an accident. And it is still not clear if Dembski even cares about FSCI.

It is still not clear if Dembski even cares about irreducible complexity.

To the good doubleplusdoctor, it is all about the Sweater.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,15:57   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 11 2009,12:04)
 As others have pointed out, all you have to do is sit down to program a Weasel algorithm, and it becomes clear that passing the location of correct letters is much more complex than selecting the child closest to the target. One could differentiate the algorithms by the number of steps and tests required to generate a population.

So Dembski's version is more complicated?  Doesn't that mean he's just smuggling information into his algorithm?

Naughty Dembski!  No free lunch for you.

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