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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,16:18   

Quote (Freddie @ April 13 2012,16:15)
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I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,16:21   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,14:18)
Quote (Freddie @ April 13 2012,16:15)
Quote (Henry J @ April 13 2012,16:07)
I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

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Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,16:54   

Damn, look what I just found from 1992 - it's uncanny. Those damn sick & ronery materialist atheist maniacs (and their hellspawn offspring).





Edited by Lou FCD on April 14 2012,23:10

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,16:59   

Quote (Freddie @ April 13 2012,16:54)
Damn, look what I just found from 1992 - it's uncanny. Those damn sick & ronery materialist atheist maniacs (and their hellspawn offspring).


PotW.

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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,17:03   

I remember that one well - it was one of the more famous ones. It was even hung on the wall of our cave for a while.

ETA: .. until the bears ate it.

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,17:05   

Quote (steve_h @ April 13 2012,17:03)
I remember that one well - it was one of the more famous ones. It was even hung on the wall of our cave for a while.

Cave?  Luxury.

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,17:13   

KairosFlatus had doubled down on the Tard: "Gil on what’s at stake in the end — the credibility of science"
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I passed by and noticed Gil’s go-to-the heart-of-the-matter comment on the “a picture is worth . . . “ thread:

The worst part is that these clowns are destroying public trust in legitimate science.

As usual, Gil has gone straight to the key point.

I agree if "these clowns" is defined as Barry and the rest of the UD All Stars.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,18:05   

I'm shocked that Barry hasn't shown up to sort this out. Busy day in court no doubt.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,19:01   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 13 2012,18:05)
I'm shocked that Barry hasn't shown up to sort this out. Busy day in court no doubt.

He must have gotten home.  That post has been deleted.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,19:05   

Quote (carlsonjok @ April 13 2012,19:01)
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 13 2012,18:05)
I'm shocked that Barry hasn't shown up to sort this out. Busy day in court no doubt.

He must have gotten home.  That post has been deleted.

Backpedal:

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http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/time-cover-fake-1970s-global-cooling-fears-not/


Who's got a screen-cap of the original? He has yet to apologize to Cave Dwellers.

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,21:10   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 13 2012,18:05)
I'm shocked that Barry hasn't shown up to sort this out. Busy day in court no doubt.

Court? Not lately, I think....since MicheLLe-gate and the bungling of her campaign funds, seems like Barry is running an (abusive by some reports) debt-collection agency.

http://bit.ly/IQnXhO....O

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,22:42   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,14:59)
Quote (Freddie @ April 13 2012,16:54)
Damn, look what I just found from 1992 - it's uncanny. Those damn sick & ronery materialist atheist maniacs (and their hellspawn offspring).


PotW.

The bastard son of Nick Nolte and Gary Burghoff.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,23:02   

Quote (JohnW @ April 13 2012,14:21)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,14:18)
 
Quote (Freddie @ April 13 2012,16:15)
   
Quote (Henry J @ April 13 2012,16:07)
I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2012,23:12   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,19:05)
 
Quote (carlsonjok @ April 13 2012,19:01)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 13 2012,18:05)
I'm shocked that Barry hasn't shown up to sort this out. Busy day in court no doubt.

He must have gotten home.  That post has been deleted.

Backpedal:

 
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http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/time-cover-fake-1970s-global-cooling-fears-not/


Who's got a screen-cap of the original? He has yet to apologize to Cave Dwellers.

Currently, is is still in the Google cache.



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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,01:26   

Quote (paragwinn @ April 14 2012,07:02)
Quote (JohnW @ April 13 2012,14:21)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,14:18)
   
Quote (Freddie @ April 13 2012,16:15)
   
Quote (Henry J @ April 13 2012,16:07)
I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

I shutter to think why.

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sledgehammer



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,02:24   

Quote (k.e.. @ April 13 2012,23:26)
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Quote (JohnW @ April 13 2012,14:21)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,14:18)
     
Quote (Freddie @ April 13 2012,16:15)
     
Quote (Henry J @ April 13 2012,16:07)
I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

I shutter to think why.

Canon get better than this.  I Leica!  
How  I hate to owe Pentax forms every April 15th  It's such a Hasselblad.

Edited by sledgehammer on April 14 2012,00:28

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,07:45   

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Time Cover Fake;  1970's Global Cooling Fears Not
It turns out the Time magazine cover “How to Survive the Coming Ice Age” is a photoshopped fake.  However, while the cover is a fake, Time was in fact printing stories about fears of global cooling in the 70’s.


No Barry, the Time cover was not a photoshopped fake; the image that you posted here purporting to represent it was the fake.  Of course in your 'correction' you don't refer to the fake directly, or mention that it was posted here, by you, and you have subsequently deleted it to cover your tracks, or what your initial reaction (deleted) was when the error was pointed out to you (deleted).

Of course you may claim that nobody could possibly think you were shifting the accusation of fakery on to Time magazine.


KF however adds:

 
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UPDATE: Mr Arrington has announced that the  actual 1977 cover is a photoshopped fake, ouch. However, there most definitely were articles in the newsmags on just such a coming ice age, and indeed I recall reading even comic books discussing that.


 
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UPDATE & CORRECTION: Mr Arrington has pointed out that the cover pic from 1977 is a fake, of course he has listed articles that show that the news mags did discuss the upcoming ice age.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,08:41   

i guess time can't heal retarded

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Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,08:58   

I though this one worth saving properly for posterity, including Barry's notpology.

Also, this looks like an interesting paper in light of this little episode:

The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus



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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,09:36   

Quote (Freddie @ April 14 2012,08:58)
I though this one worth saving properly for posterity, including Barry's notpology.

Also, this looks like an interesting paper in light of this little episode:

The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus


Great work, Freddie.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,10:20   

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I guess some photographers develop earlier than others?

Only when stored in a dark room ...

Snap out of it guys. Its not flashy, it just lens credence to the view we can't focus.

Stop being so negative.  Just let it slide.

Wait for Lou to f-stop here in f/4...f/2.8...f/2...

I shutter to think why.

Canon get better than this.  I Leica!  
How  I hate to owe Pentax forms every April 15th  It's such a Hasselblad.

That's too komaflex for me

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,10:33   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 14 2012,16:41)
i guess time can't heal retarded

Butt comic books can can.


Did anyone mention Barry is an Arsehole?


If Prick Santorum was a more of man Barry would be on the inside running to be a GOP constitutional bag man.

Jesus loves Arseholes.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,12:03   

Quote (Freddie @ April 14 2012,08:58)
Also, this looks like an interesting paper in light of this little episode:

The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus

Interestingly, one of the inmates happened upon the same thing in one of the reports that Barry purports shows the scientific consensus on global cooling.
 
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April 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm

Thanks of correcting the record and acknowledging the error. That is a sign of the good scholarship that is exhibited here. The National Science Board report was interesting. While it does say that a cooling should be expected, it did offer teh possibility of warming. From page 55:
 
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   Judging from the past record of the interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end, to be followed by a long period of considerably colder temperatures leading into the next glacial age some 20,000 years from now. However, it is possible, or even likely, that human interference has already altered the environment so much that the climatic pattern of the near future will follow a different path. For instance, widespread deforestation in recent centuries, especially in Europe and North America, together with increased atmospheric opacity due to man-made dust storms and industrial wastes should have increased the earth’s reflectivity. At the same time, increasing concentration of industrial carbon dioxide in the atmosphere should lead to a temperature increase by absorption of infrared radiation from the earth’s surface. When the human factors are added to other natural factors as volcanic eruptions, changes in solar activity, and resonances within the hydro-atmosphere, their effect can only be estimated in terms of direction, not of amount.

It is interesting to see the warming narrative already making an appearance 40 years ago. That whole section of the report really seems to equivocate between the so-called evidence for cooling and the also so-called evidence for warming. They really want to have it both ways at the same time.

In true UD style, though, once he stumbled upon the truth, he picked himself back up and carried on his merry way, none the wiser for it.  ???

ETA:  The report Barry links to, and Mike LaFontaine quotes, is here.

Edited by carlsonjok on April 14 2012,12:04

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,12:14   

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, Barry is either incredibly dishonest, incredibly stupid, or both.  He links to a 1971 Science article that shows the supposed scientific consensus on global cooling.  The abstract of that article reads:
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Effects on the global temperature of large increases in carbon dioxide and aerosol densities in the atmosphere of Earth have been computed. It is found that, although the addition of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does increase the surface temperature, the rate of temperature increase diminishes with increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. For aerosols, however, the net effect of increase in density is to reduce the surface temperature of Earth. Because of the exponential dependence of the backscattering, the rate of temperature decrease is augmented with increasing aerosol content. An increase by only a factor of 4 in global aerosol background concentration may be sufficient to reduce the surface temperature by as much as 3.5 ° K. If sustained over a period of several years, such a temperature decrease over the whole globe is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age.

So, to summarize:  Carbon dioxide increases temperatures, aerosols work to decrease temperatures.  The government took action on aerosols by banning flourocarbons in 1978.  And what action has been taken on that temperature increasing carbon dioxide, Barry?  What's that, none?  He really ought to be ashamed of his poor scholarship, but I doubt he is.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,12:32   

This, also, fails to support the idea of global cooling... and [URL=http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2007/11/common-climate-misconceptions-1970s-global-cooling-concerns-lacked-todays-scientific-rigor

-and-relevance/]this [/URL] looks at the 1971 Science article Arrington mentioned.

Edit to add: Another review of the literature also fails to find anything substantial on the idea of global cooling

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,15:08   

Mike LaFontaine isn't exactly making friends over at UD:  
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One of the early commenters on the earlier, now deleted post pointed that exact cover image out and was told that the 1977 penguin cover was one of the magazine’s more famous and was asked if he lived in a cave. I guess we know now that he doesn’t.


ETA: Screenshot saved - just in case.

Edited by Kattarina98 on April 14 2012,15:11

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2012,16:45   

Page bug?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,11:52   

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Page bug?

Err, no?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,15:37   

Just when you thought it was not possible for UD to sink any lower than the Time photoshopped cover debacle, along comes slimy Sal.



Note: no links, and not photoshopped.

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,17:47   

Sal is a slimy lying scumbag?

Filed under humor; that, and the question mark definitely makes it legally deniable

  
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