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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,10:35   

May I direct your attention to Unintelligent Reasoning, a fairly new blog by the Uncommonly Dense poster known as Joseph.

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Intelligent Reasoning

Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning.


They can't publish a theory to save their lives, but those IDiots sure can blog.

   
Dante



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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,12:26   

IR is more annoying than funny.

It needs a dose of Cordova.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,12:42   

where does Salvador blog, anyway?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,12:48   

Seriously. That guy is like a broken record. I think there's one quotation he uses THREE TIMES on that one page.

He posts at Kansas Citizens for Science sometimes (KCFS, where, btw, I post as "Connor J"), and he's a grade-A jerk, in addition to being utterly clueless. Suffice it to say, he has a deep problem with the concept of 'burden of proof.' He knows one thing about it: it's never on him.

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C.J.O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,12:50   

Re: where does Salvador blog, anyway?

steve, I don't think Sal has a blog. But his spew can frequently be found (if you can stand the smell) at ARN.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2009,19:06   

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008/12/csi-of-baseball.html

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FrankH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2009,19:46   

Scary, very scary:

https://www.blogger.com/comment....7&pli=1
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Joe G said...

Dazza McTrazza looking to find an argument

But anyway it's too late. I am already on the school committee.

Also next month I will be presenting "Intelligent Design Awareness Day" to 8th and 9th graders.

That was helped along by "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed".

9:18 AM
Those poor, poor kids.

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csadams



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2009,20:16   

Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 22 2009,19:46)
Scary, very scary:

https://www.blogger.com/comment....7&pli=1  
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Joe G said...

Dazza McTrazza looking to find an argument

But anyway it's too late. I am already on the school committee.

Also next month I will be presenting "Intelligent Design Awareness Day" to 8th and 9th graders.

That was helped along by "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed".

9:18 AM
Those poor, poor kids.

I bet there are some parents in that school district who'd object if they knew about it.  The local newspapers might be interested, too.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2009,23:11   

I wonder if one of the reporters at the local papers would be interested in the threatening rhetoric spouted by a school committee member?

I'm sure that cires of "persecution!" would follow, but really, isn't it just seeking to spread the IDC message of respect and charity in communication to pass it on to the paper?

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FrankH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,06:29   

Where does this old boy live?

I'd be happy to take it to the papers there or better yet if he lived around Raleigh.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,08:55   

Mwuahahahah!

Joe has measured the CSI of a cake. NOT!

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....1061841

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At 7:48 AM,  Joe G said…

Measuring the CSI of a cake:

Given the following recipe:

• 1 cup cornmeal
• 3 cups all-purpose flour
• 1 1/3 cups white sugar
• 2 tablespoons baking powder
• 1 teaspoon salt
• 2/3 cup vegetable oil
• 1/3 cup melted butter
• 2 tablespoons honey
• 4 eggs, beaten
• 2 1/2 cups whole milk
• Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C), and grease a 9x13 inch baking dish.
• Stir together the cornmeal, flour, sugar, baking powder, and salt in a mixing bowl. Pour in the vegetable oil, melted butter, honey, beaten eggs, and milk, and stir just to moisten.
• Pour the batter into the prepared baking dish and bake in the preheated oven for 45 minutes, until the top of the cornbread starts to brown and show cracks.

A simple character count reveals there are over 650 characters.

Therefor the minimum information that cake will contain is just over 650 bits if each character is a bit.


Wow - 'the complete works of shakespear' can't have much information in it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,09:06   

Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 23 2009,07:29)
Where does this old boy live?

I'd be happy to take it to the papers there or better yet if he lived around Raleigh.

IIRC Joe lives in or around Manchester, NH.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,09:37   

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....0107406

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At 10:21 AM,  Joe G said…

AtBC:

Assholes that Beat Chicks

Assholes touching Boy's Crotches

Atrociously tasteless brutal cocksuckers

Anti-Thought Babbling Cretins


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,09:40   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,06:55)
Mwuahahahah!

Joe has measured the CSI of a cake. NOT!

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....1061841

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At 7:48 AM,  Joe G said…

Measuring the CSI of a cake:

Given the following recipe:

• 1 cup cornmeal
• 3 cups all-purpose flour
• 1 1/3 cups white sugar
• 2 tablespoons baking powder
• 1 teaspoon salt
• 2/3 cup vegetable oil
• 1/3 cup melted butter
• 2 tablespoons honey
• 4 eggs, beaten
• 2 1/2 cups whole milk
• Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C), and grease a 9x13 inch baking dish.
• Stir together the cornmeal, flour, sugar, baking powder, and salt in a mixing bowl. Pour in the vegetable oil, melted butter, honey, beaten eggs, and milk, and stir just to moisten.
• Pour the batter into the prepared baking dish and bake in the preheated oven for 45 minutes, until the top of the cornbread starts to brown and show cracks.

A simple character count reveals there are over 650 characters.

Therefor the minimum information that cake will contain is just over 650 bits if each character is a bit.


Holy crap.  That boy is dumber than hog snot.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,09:47   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,09:37)
http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....0107406

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At 10:21 AM,  Joe G said…

AtBC:

Assholes that Beat Chicks

Assholes touching Boy's Crotches

Atrociously tasteless brutal cocksuckers

Anti-Thought Babbling Cretins

that gets you a naked full frontal man hug from Clive....

just to be consistent.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,09:55   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 23 2009,09:47)
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http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2008....0107406
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At 10:21 AM,  Joe G said…

AtBC:

Assholes that Beat Chicks

Assholes touching Boy's Crotches

Atrociously tasteless brutal cocksuckers

Anti-Thought Babbling Cretins
that gets you a naked full frontal man hug from Clive....

just to be consistent.

That is a vision I did not need!

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,10:03   

Aw, he's closed comments. What a coward!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,10:12   

Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?

Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,10:14   

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Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
 
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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?

Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.

Tarden isn't.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,10:48   

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Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
   
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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?

Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.

Tarden isn't.

So when did you stop beating cake batter? :p Cake batter-er!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:09   

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So if you really wanted to know the SI of a baseball all you have to do is to figure out how to make one, write down the instructions, and count the bits.


What is the CSI of this snowflake?



The BOM is easy: 1mg water

Now to make it all you need is a precise log of the path it took through the cloud, the temperature of the cloud at each point in the path and the electrical potential.

Of course to properly count the bits, we also have to define a gram, temperature and voltage.  Not to mention a control system to accurately steer the snowflake to the right place at the right time.

Clearly considerably more than  500 bits of information is required to define the manufacture of a snowflake.  Therefore a snowflake clearly possesses CSI and each is therefore intelligently designed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:11   

https://www.blogger.com/comment....&page=1

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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

11:59 AM


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:19   

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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

11:59 AM

Now you are just (as it were) gilding the lily, as I am absolutely sure that Clive Hayden has already put Joseph on moderation over at UD for his incivil behavior elsewhere.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:27   

Oh, dear.
   
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So this is how I envision DNA- both sides of the ladder carry redundant information. One side does the work, that is transfers programming data to other molecules it contacts (mRNA for example) and the other side is a template for DNA replication.

Once DNA replication is complete the program is transferred to the newly constructed side via the hydrogen bonds that connect the two sides.

When other molecules are made- mRNA for example- they are given their instructions via the same hydrogen bonds. That information consists of editing instructions, as well as configuraion/ assembly instructions and destination instructions.

These instructions are not the sequence, rather they are embedded on the sequence, just as computer data is embedded on the disk.

Um... is he saying (I'm not sure what he's saying) that the two nucleotides in the base pairs are always alike? They're complementary, yes... "Instructions via the hydrogen bonds"? What?

"Embedded on the sequence"? Just as on a disk? What the hay is he talking about? Instructions embedded on the DNA nucleotides? I don't think so.

Both the leading and the lagging strands are replicated, not just one. What "program" is "transferred"? *Brainfahrt*

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:28   

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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

11:59 AM

Now you are just (as it were) gilding the lily, as I am absolutely sure that Clive Hayden has already put Joseph on moderation over at UD for his incivil behavior elsewhere.

He's just gone on a posting spree, so I doubt it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:33   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,11:28)
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https://www.blogger.com/comment....&page=1

 
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Joe G said...
I only close comments when ignorant asshole licking pukes refuse to understand the points made and continue to act like child molesting woman beaters.

And as I said losers always laugh at things they cannot understand.

That is why you and your ilk are referred to as the Anti-thought Biting Cockroaches

11:59 AM

Now you are just (as it were) gilding the lily, as I am absolutely sure that Clive Hayden has already put Joseph on moderation over at UD for his incivil behavior elsewhere.

He's just gone on a posting spree, so I doubt it.

I am shocked that Clive would allow such a blatant challenge to his authority to go unanswered for so long.  I mean, there is no question that Reciprocating Bill could be snarky when referencing UD, but Joseph is downright profane.  The only possible explanation is that Clive is tending to his day job and will get around to banning Joseph after the workday is over.  That must be it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:36   

Joe is an IDist, so that would be censorship. RB is a rational, so he's just asking for it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:37   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2009,11:12)
Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
 
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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?

Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.

Um, until recently a character in computer storage took a byte (eight bits). Nowadays many programs store each character in two bytes, using Unicode, which allows many more characters (e.g. Arabic, ...). Neither scheme stores formatting.

Of course, it's even worse for Joe. He forgot to define what a cup is, what a degree F is, what corn meal is, what flour is, what a minute is, ... all that is information required to make cornbread.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,11:43   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2009,11:36)
Joe is an IDist, so that would be censorship. RB is a rational, so he's just asking for it.

No, Richard, you are wrong. Clive has a transcendental, objective moral code that would not allow such inconsistent treatment.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2009,12:02   

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Cross-post - Joe, this is respectfully meant.
     
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Joe, excuse me. 665 characters including spaces do not add up to 665 bits of information in this context. Yes, until recently a character in computer programming took a bit of information storage (it's a little more now, due to formatting). No, that is not how one measures the information of this recipe.

It can have no more than 665 bits of information, but we are talking about memory storage here. One measures the information of a string in nits or nats (or nepits), in other words, in terms of entropy, expressed by the average number of bits needed for storage or communication.

I think you can now see that there is much redundancy in this recipe. Spaces are certainly redundancy. What are the other examples?

Don't assume that everyone at AtBC is a man, please.

Um, until recently a character in computer storage took a byte (eight bits). Nowadays many programs store each character in two bytes, using Unicode, which allows many more characters (e.g. Arabic, ...). Neither scheme stores formatting.

Of course, it's even worse for Joe. He forgot to define what a cup is, what a degree F is, what corn meal is, what flour is, what a minute is, ... all that is information required to make cornbread.

Oops, you're right, it's byte (gaaa). Thank you. As for the formatting, I got that from some professor... Eek. *Blush* Oh well, if one never says anything stupid, one doesn't learn anything. :)

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