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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,11:47   

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,11:50   

Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 01 2012,10:04)
Quote (DiEb @ Mar. 01 2012,08:41)
Just an idea for Marks, Dembski, etc. :  You wanted to create the impression that the symposium was held by the Cornell University - that's why you used the carefully crafted abstract:      
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In the spring of 2011, a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics. This volume presents new research by those invited to speak at the conference.
Perhaps it is enough to create the impression that Springer Verlage  published the proceedings? You could try to get the interest of the Axel Springer Verlag - perhaps a short article in the Bild-Zeitung? Then you could still claim that you were published by Springer, and that's what this is all about....


Apparently it was cosponsored by Physicians and Surgeons for Scientific Integrity

   
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Recently Physicians and Surgeons for Scientific Integrity (PSSI) co-sponsored an international symposium entitled "Biological Information - New Perspectives" that was attended by many PhD scientists to address the question: "What is biological information and where docs it come from?"

The symposium was held at the Slater Hotel on the Cornell University Campus.

The published article at that link is ... interesting.  It's all there: Darwin, Racism, Hitler and so on ... also, the author repeatedly uses the word 'proves'.  

I do not think that word means what he thinks it means.

It is refreshing to see the author, a Christian, state that Christians were deeply involved the slave trade, though.  He wouldn't last 3 posts at UD before being KF'd to death.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,12:24   

O FFS.  

I think it's pronounced "pissy".

I bet Wayne Green's a member.  

Heh heh. I said "member". Heh.

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,12:26   

Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 01 2012,10:04)
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Recently Physicians and Surgeons for Scientific Integrity (PSSI) co-sponsored an international symposium entitled "Biological Information - New Perspectives" that was attended by many PhD scientists to address the question: "What is biological information and where docs it come from?"

The symposium was held at the Slater Hotel on the Cornell University Campus.

I'm sure it has been mentioned already, but The Statler Hotel is the working hotel of the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. It is nice, but any group, corporation or individual can book it.

You can even have your birthday party there:

Birthday Bookings

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,12:37   

Wayne Green:

CQ magazine, 73, 80 Micro, Byte, CD Review, Cold Fusion, Kilobaud Microcomputing, RUN , InCider, and Pico

Wow. I read most of those magazines and never realized he was a loon. I guess it's compartmentalization.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,12:41   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2012,10:37)
Wayne Green:

CQ magazine, 73, 80 Micro, Byte, CD Review, Cold Fusion, Kilobaud Microcomputing, RUN , InCider, and Pico

Wow. I read most of those magazines and never realized he was a loon. I guess it's compartmentalization.

Just for laughs I can tune in coasttocoastAM at night thanks to ionospheric bounce.  In a rebroadcast from the mid-90's he was on about the moon landing hoax, and how you can purify your blood with a battery and some leads attached to your wrist...

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,14:26   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 28 2012,14:47)
   
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 27 2012,10:56)
     
Quote (DiEb @ Feb. 27 2012,10:42)
That's the only description of the Cornell Symposium which I could find:

http://www.soulcare.org/gsinew_....ce.html

Hmm, I wonder who gave Presentation 2. And 5:
     
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Session One May 31:  INFORMATION THEORY & BIOLOGY
Presentation 1 - Biological information: what is it?
Presentation 2 - A second look at the second law of thermodynamics
Presentation 3 - Biological information and thermodynamics
Presentation 4 - Multiple overlapping codes profoundly reduce the probability of beneficial mutation
Presentation 5 - A General theory of information cost incurred by successful search
Presentation 6 - Pragmatic information
Presentation 7 - Limits of chaos and progress in evolutionary dynamics
Presentation 8 - Tierra: the character of adaptation

Session Two June 1:  BIOLOGICAL INFORMATION & GENETIC THEORY
(Each presentation was followed by a time of Questions and Answers)
Presentation   9 - Not Junk after all: non-protein-coding DNA carries extensive biological information
Presentation 10 - Can biological information be sustained by purifying natural selection?
Presentation 11 - Selection threshold severely constrains capture of beneficial mutations
Presentation 12 - Computational evolution experiments reveal a net loss of  information despite selection
Presentation 13 - Using numerical simulation to test the "mutation-count" hypothesis
Presentation 14 - Can synergistic epistasis halt mutation accumulation?  Results from numerical simulation
Presentation 15 - Striking architectural similarities between higher genomes and computer executable code
Presentation 16 - Biocybernetics and biosemiosis
Presentation 17 - Computer-like systems in the cell

Session Three June 2:  THEORETICAL MOLECULAR BIOLOGY
(Each presentation was followed by a time of Questions and Answers)
Presentation 18 - Can genetic information be traced to a last universal common ancestor?
Presentation 19 - A new model of intracellular communication based on coherent, high-frequency vibrations in biomolecules
Presentation 20 - A multiplicity of memories: the semiotics of evolutionary adaptation
Presentation 21 - The cost of substitution during concurrent substitutions and the Absent-Optimal Effect
Presentation 22 - The membrane code: a carrier of essential information that is not specified by DNA and is inherited apart from it
Presentation 23 - Measuring and analyzing functional information in proteins
Presentation 24 - Getting there first: an evolutionary rate advantage for adaptive loss-of-function mutations

My guesses:

1. Werner Gitt
2. Granville Sewell - too easy!
3. McIntosh
4. Lee Spetner
5. DrDr Dembski
6. Johnnyb
7. Hartnett
8. Baumgardner
9. Jonathan Wells
10. Sanford
11. Behe
12. Lee Spetner
13. Menton
14. Nevin
15. Winston
16. Galapgos Finch
17. Ray Damadian
18. DeNews O'Leary
19. Abel
20. Angus Menuge
21. Axe
22. Gauger
23. Durston
24. Pope Ratzinger

I've added some information at PT
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I always thaugt these atheist Darwinian commies don’t let anybody in and nobody out but apparently there is a way for good Christian AIG authors: Wesley Brewer, Professor and Dean of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Pyongyang University of Science & Technology, Pyongyang, North Korea, claims to have co-authored a section in “Biological Information: New Perspectives”:    
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W. Brewer, F.D. Smith, J.C. Sanford (2012) Information loss: potential for accelerating natural genetic attenuation of RNA viruses. In Biological Information - New Perspectives.
On another page he claims to have another article in the volume:    
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Wesley Brewer

Has a new publication titled ‘Using numerical simulation to test the “Mutation-count Mechanism” for halting deleterious mutation accumulation in natural populations’ in Biological Information - New Perspectives
11th November, 2011

(emphasis mine)
and here:  
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Another presenter was John W. Oller. From his pages:  
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  Professional Papers and Lectures

1. May 31, 2011. Pragmatic information. Invited lecture presented at the Cornell University, Symposium on Biological Information: New Perspectives, Ithaca, NY.
and he has a related article in Biological Information: New Perspectives of course peer-reviewed  
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Peer-Reviewed Monographs, Articles, Chapters, Interviews, Reviews, and Notes

   […]

   4. Oller, J. W., Jr. (In press). Pragmatic information. Paper presented at the Symposium on Biological Information at Cornell.



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JonF



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,18:30   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2012,13:37)
Wayne Green:

CQ magazine, 73, 80 Micro, Byte, CD Review, Cold Fusion, Kilobaud Microcomputing, RUN , InCider, and Pico

Wow. I read most of those magazines and never realized he was a loon. I guess it's compartmentalization.

Oh, wow. Memories.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,19:13   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 01 2012,06:16)
Inside Higher Ed has an article on the Springer book flap.

A comment there compared this to censorship in communist countries. I replied in a comment (under moderation):

 
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Hmmm? In the USSR, espousing the "bourgeois biology of the west" could get you house arrest, imprisonment in Siberia, or simply a date in front of the firing squad.

This isn't a free speech issue. If Intervarsity were the publisher of the proposed volume, nobody would give a rip.

This is a scamming issue. The pretense that old, tired religious antievolution arguments are actually science is a common fiction ever since 1968's "Epperson v. Arkansas" SCOTUS decision. The legal term of art used for this in 1987's "Edwards v. Aguillard" decision is "sham". It's about people using whatever means of deception they can pull to influence the political sphere to inject their view of biology into science.


Drat! I thought I had copied the whole thing, but I'm missing about three paragraphs and some edits of what I've got here. Here's hoping they post the whole thing.

Wesley, are you aware of this:

Lazarus

Your comment was posted at Inside Higher Ed, but Lazarus might come in handy if you're ever in another situation where you want to recover something you've written.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,21:10   

More Springer book flap stuff...

"Performedge" hypes the conference, but keep it quiet, y'all:

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The place: Cornell University
What? A science symposium
Topic: Biological Information New Perspectives.
Date: May31st - June 2 2011

This was an invitation only event to prevent the media hype and evolutionist disrupters at bay. It was strictly science and not creation science. Twenty peer reviewed papers were presented and are in the process of being published now. All papers in some way shape or form present serious problems and even potential falsifications of the neo-Darwinian theory. The science community will be unaware of these papers until they are fully published in a scientific syposium book as is the usual procedure.

I have been asked not to present substantial information regarding this event until the publication is released. I don't know when, but expect 3-6 months. I have copies of all the abstracts and they are brutal regarding evidence against neo-Darwinian theory. Once released, the science community will for the first time have to deal wilth real contrary evidence. And it will open the doors for future symposiums where the scientific journals don't control the publications and peer review process. You will recognize several of the names of presenters. I will have access to all of these papers in the future, and I will make them available as soon as I can.

Sorry for the vagueness, but you all know the forces that work against such events. It looks like this was a success, and it opens many doors for the truth of an intelligent designer to be a real scientific topic that must be dealt with.


Later in the thread, there's a link to another summary. The original appears to be here. It's by David Coppedge. If you think that the name is familiar, it ought to be. Coppedge is suing JPL over being dismissed, and is claiming religious discrimination.

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Interestingly, there was a notable absence of participants from Cornell or the Ithaca area. It appears very likely that many who might have otherwise have attended were afraid of negative professional consequences arising from being associated in any way with this event of its participants..

Take heart, though.  It was like that before Soviet communism fell.  The last years of the Iron Curtain were fierce; many individuals suffered persecution, and many lived in a state of fear.  The Soviet bloc seemed impregnable.  Then, perestroika and glasnost came as reality set in that communism wasn’t working. Within just a couple of years, thanks to pressure from Reagan and internal pressure from freedom loving unions, the Berlin wall fell.  The world watched in astonishment as the Soviet Union unraveled in a precipitous and momentous collapse, and long-denied freedoms saw the light of a new day.  It can happen with Darwinism—unless vigilance gives way to complacency, challenge to comfort, love for truth to fear of criticism.  This is no time to cower in retreat; it’s time to charge!


1. If you hold an invitation-only event, you shouldn't be surprised that people you didn't invite did not show up.

2. Hey, that will be a great addition to the Invidious Comparisons list. Thanks, David!

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 01 2012,21:35

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,23:13   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 01 2012,21:10)
If you hold an invitation-only event, you shouldn't be surprised that people you didn't invite did not show up.

How dare those crass, evil, impolite, insidious Darwinists decline to crash an event they weren't invited to!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,00:07   

Quote (Cubist @ Mar. 01 2012,23:13)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 01 2012,21:10)
If you hold an invitation-only event, you shouldn't be surprised that people you didn't invite did not show up.

How dare those crass, evil, impolite, insidious Darwinists decline to crash an event they weren't invited to!

Typical Communist tactic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,04:31   

Quote (DiEb @ Mar. 01 2012,14:41)
Just an idea for Marks, Dembski, etc. :  You wanted to create the impression that the symposium was held by the Cornell University - that's why you used the carefully crafted abstract:    
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In the spring of 2011, a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics. This volume presents new research by those invited to speak at the conference.
Perhaps it is enough to create the impression that Springer Verlage  published the proceedings? You could try to get the interest of the Axel Springer Verlag - perhaps a short article in the Bild-Zeitung? Then you could still claim that you were published by Springer, and that's what this is all about....

They also covered themselves in glory with the Hitler's Diaries hoax.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Schtonk!? Funniest German film evah

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,07:29   

Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 02 2012,04:31)
Speaking of which, has anyone seen Schtonk!? Funniest German film evah

This film was a riot! OTOH, it's not hard to win the title of funniest German film evah - our humour is rather clumsy compared to the British.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,08:37   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 02 2012,07:29)
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 02 2012,04:31)
Speaking of which, has anyone seen Schtonk!? Funniest German film evah

This film was a riot! OTOH, it's not hard to win the title of funniest German film evah - our humour is rather clumsy compared to the British.

I thought the funniest German film was Dinner for One. :-)

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There is no connection between a peppered moth, natural selection, and religion that I can see. - FtK

   
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,10:12   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 02 2012,08:37)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 02 2012,07:29)
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 02 2012,04:31)
Speaking of which, has anyone seen Schtonk!? Funniest German film evah

This film was a riot! OTOH, it's not hard to win the title of funniest German film evah - our humour is rather clumsy compared to the British.

I thought the funniest German film was Dinner for One. :-)

Guess what we watched this New Year's Eve. We know the butler's lines by heart, and still it was hilarious.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,10:41   

the only german films i have ever seen all involved latex and scat.  i had no idea there were other german genres

what

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,10:52   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2012,12:37)
Wayne Green:

CQ magazine, 73, 80 Micro, Byte, CD Review, Cold Fusion, Kilobaud Microcomputing, RUN , InCider, and Pico

Wow. I read most of those magazines and never realized he was a loon. I guess it's compartmentalization.

IIRC, Carl Helmers, editor of BYTE Magazine was married to Wayne's daughter. AFAIK some bizarre event(s) took place before Wayne started the Kilobaud Magazine. I am not saying he is a loon, but that is what I believe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,11:00   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 02 2012,10:41)
the only german films i have ever seen all involved latex and scat.  i had no idea there were other german genres

what

You forgot Downfall.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,11:00   

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Take heart, though.  It was like that before Soviet communism fell.  The last years of the Iron Curtain were fierce; many individuals suffered persecution, and many lived in a state of fear.  The Soviet bloc seemed impregnable.  Then, perestroika and glasnost came as reality set in that communism wasn’t working. Within just a couple of years, thanks to pressure from Reagan and internal pressure from freedom loving unions, the Berlin wall fell.  The world watched in astonishment as the Soviet Union unraveled in a precipitous and momentous collapse, and long-denied freedoms saw the light of a new day.  It can happen with Darwinism—unless vigilance gives way to complacency, challenge to comfort, love for truth to fear of criticism.  This is no time to cower in retreat; it’s time to charge!

That's what happens if you don't read top down but just skim through for the juicy bits: I thought the subject was ID before my eyes hit 'Darwinism'. ROFLMAO.

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YEC creationists denigrate science without an inkling of what their lives would be without it. YEC creationism is an enrageous, abominable insult to the the human intellect.
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,12:09   

Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 02 2012,04:31)
Quote (DiEb @ Mar. 01 2012,14:41)
Just an idea for Marks, Dembski, etc. :  You wanted to create the impression that the symposium was held by the Cornell University - that's why you used the carefully crafted abstract:    
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In the spring of 2011, a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics. This volume presents new research by those invited to speak at the conference.
Perhaps it is enough to create the impression that Springer Verlage  published the proceedings? You could try to get the interest of the Axel Springer Verlag - perhaps a short article in the Bild-Zeitung? Then you could still claim that you were published by Springer, and that's what this is all about....

They also covered themselves in glory with the Hitler's Diaries hoax.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Schtonk!? Funniest German film evah

You are mistaken, the Hitler diaries have been published by the liberal journal Stern and the Springer-Verlag that publishes science books has been founded by Julius Springer in 1842 and has nothing to do with the Axel Springer AG which was launched in 1946.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,13:54   

As predicted, it looks like the UD folks found some folks to argue with: themselves.

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BA77:As to

   
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PaV It would appear that Nature stores many phenotypic expressions within its genes at all times.


, I’m afraid I have to disagree with you a bit on this PaV. I believe that the information for Body Plans (phenotypes) exist almost completely outside of the genes of the DNA:


I was hoping for discussions about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a DNA strand, but close enough.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,14:00   

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the genes of the DNA


you go on witcho bad sciencey self there b^tsh^t




ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,14:27   

Quote (Quack @ Mar. 02 2012,10:52)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2012,12:37)
Wayne Green:

CQ magazine, 73, 80 Micro, Byte, CD Review, Cold Fusion, Kilobaud Microcomputing, RUN , InCider, and Pico

Wow. I read most of those magazines and never realized he was a loon. I guess it's compartmentalization.

IIRC, Carl Helmers, editor of BYTE Magazine was married to Wayne's daughter. AFAIK some bizarre event(s) took place before Wayne started the Kilobaud Magazine. I am not saying he is a loon, but that is what I believe.

According to WG, he lost everything, ownership of all his publications, in a divorce. Then his ex married his lawyer. Not her lawyer. His.

That would have been about two-thirds through the list.  I used to read his computer and CD stuff and detected nothing unusual in his thinking. I wonder if he does the loon just for money.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,22:05   

On the death of UD. I've been watching the date and time of the first and last of the recent comments and it currently takes around 24 hours for the site to generate 30 comments. Just after the purge it was about 6 hours. Also at least half of the comments are from BA77.

Also in the 'daily popular' there used to be threads that were in the thousands now they all seem to average around the 700s

Edited by MichaelJ on Mar. 03 2012,13:30

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2012,22:53   

just think, if you didn't look in the box the cat would be dead, alive and fistfucked all at once!

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2012,07:01   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 02 2012,22:53)
just think, if you didn't look in the box the cat would be dead, alive and fistfucked all at once!

That's probably why Barry started banning anyone that wanted to look!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2012,08:48   

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Wayne Green:

CQ magazine, 73, 80 Micro, Byte, CD Review, Cold Fusion, Kilobaud Microcomputing, RUN , InCider, and Pico

Wow. I read most of those magazines and never realized he was a loon. I guess it's compartmentalization.

IIRC, Carl Helmers, editor of BYTE Magazine was married to Wayne's daughter. AFAIK some bizarre event(s) took place before Wayne started the Kilobaud Magazine. I am not saying he is a loon, but that is what I believe.

According to WG, he lost everything, ownership of all his publications, in a divorce. Then his ex married his lawyer. Not her lawyer. His.

That would have been about two-thirds through the list.  I used to read his computer and CD stuff and detected nothing unusual in his thinking. I wonder if he does the loon just for money.

I was a subscriber to 73 magazine and thought it was pretty goog, although his editorials gradually got loonies and loonies.  Thanks to a subscription offer, I was also a charter subscriber to Byte mag, which was excellent.  After the crash of his publishing empire, I read that all the money had come from his wife in the first place.

A fellow ham friend used to listen to coast to coast am every night and he said that Green was so over the top weird that Art Bell switched to another guest mid way through Green's last appearance.  When you're too weird for Art Bell ...

I'm just glad he's sticking to colloidal silver cure-alls and hasn't come out for ID.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2012,08:50   

Please excuse the auto-correct atrocities in the previous message.  iPads suck for writing & editing.

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Like every other academic field, philosophy of religion has its share of hacks and mediocrities.   Edward Feser

‘Anything is a “real possibility” in the mind of one seeking to deny the obvious.’ – William J Murray

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2012,13:20   

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Please excuse the auto-correct atrocities in the previous message.  iPads suck for writing & editing.

Yes. Yes they do.

-DU-

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