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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2012,21:19   

It does seem a bit unchristian of Barry to deny the Trinity.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2012,21:24   

Can the last post on a page exist and not exist at the same time?

Can an entity be one and be three at the same time?

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2012,21:31   

Oh my, could it be THE Dave Scott?

budgettravel.com is hosting a poll of the "15 Places Kids Should See blahblahblah", and amongst them are the various Creobot "museums", including the Kentucky Fucktard and Flintstones attraction. In the comments for that one, about 15 comments in, there is this little gem:

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This place is amazing. I'm a teacher who took my 6th grade science students to see this place and they loved it for 2 reasons: 1)It LOOKS like DisneyWorld. It's one of the best quality museums Ive ever been to, including the Smithsonian, and 2) They learned a lot of things they didn't know enough to even ask questions about to begin with. It sets up a true "discovery" experience. - Dave Scott


Nah, Davey would never lie for Jesus, would he? I mean, he was an agnostic and all, right?



right?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2012,22:36   

Quote (MichaelJ @ Feb. 15 2012,17:45)
I find the current purge a bit of a yawn. I predict that within a week or two people will don new socks and the cycle will repeat itself once again. It would be nice if people could refrain from visiting the site for a month just to see if the site would implode.

Elizabeth Liddle's blog is well positioned to replace UD.  Even Gil Dodgen has shown up.  It must be a classy place.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2012,23:11   

Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 16 2012,13:36)
Quote (MichaelJ @ Feb. 15 2012,17:45)
I find the current purge a bit of a yawn. I predict that within a week or two people will don new socks and the cycle will repeat itself once again. It would be nice if people could refrain from visiting the site for a month just to see if the site would implode.

Elizabeth Liddle's blog is well positioned to replace UD.  Even Gil Dodgen has shown up.  It must be a classy place.

They wont stay long if they can't control the conversation by intimidation

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2012,23:20   

Quote (MichaelJ @ Feb. 15 2012,23:11)
Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 16 2012,13:36)
Quote (MichaelJ @ Feb. 15 2012,17:45)
I find the current purge a bit of a yawn. I predict that within a week or two people will don new socks and the cycle will repeat itself once again. It would be nice if people could refrain from visiting the site for a month just to see if the site would implode.

Elizabeth Liddle's blog is well positioned to replace UD.  Even Gil Dodgen has shown up.  It must be a classy place.

They wont stay long if they can't control the conversation by intimidation

Maybe, maybe not. Give him the benefit of the doubt - if only because Barry Doesn't.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2012,23:55   

It's all about safe words zones:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-420555

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,00:40   

Unfortunately, the latest Doc Bill had to say about Dembski, Behe and Meyer is too long for a new signature:
 
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They're like three mutually repelling particles in their own Moronverse; the moetron, larrytron and curlytron. Together they form the bozotron responsible for the bozone layer that causes irreparable willful ignorance, a total loss of ethics and your eyebrows to grow together.

visualization

edited to save space

Edited by sparc on Feb. 16 2012,00:48

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,00:44   

Question for Eric Anderson:

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The tautology problem is very real. It is frankly disappointing to see so many critics of evolutionary theory shy away from it. The just-so stories come up all the time and are largely based on the tautological formulation, and it is absolutely appropriate to point out when this circular reasoning is being used.


Why is e=mc^2 important as a tautology? It is a tautology, right? Of course it is.  "Survival of the fittest" is similarly tautologous (fittest = those that survive), and is important for the same reason. The tautology is not argument, not syllogism, but an *effect*, a *product* of the model, in both cases.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,01:29   

Quote (eigenstate @ Feb. 15 2012,22:44)
Question for Eric Anderson:
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The tautology problem is very real. It is frankly disappointing to see so many critics of evolutionary theory shy away from it. The just-so stories come up all the time and are largely based on the tautological formulation, and it is absolutely appropriate to point out when this circular reasoning is being used.

Why is e=mc^2 important as a tautology? It is a tautology, right? Of course it is.  "Survival of the fittest" is similarly tautologous (fittest = those that survive), and is important for the same reason. The tautology is not argument, not syllogism, but an *effect*, a *product* of the model, in both cases.

Eigenstate, I'm not sure why you think E=mc2 is a tautology.  It's not true by definition, and it's empirically falsifiable.  Could you elaborate?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,02:40   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2012,21:55)
It's all about safe words zones:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-420555

That spewage from mullings is just a bunch of self serving bullshit and LIES.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,03:21   

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 16 2012,01:29)
       
Quote (eigenstate @ Feb. 15 2012,22:44)
Question for Eric Anderson:
         
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The tautology problem is very real. It is frankly disappointing to see so many critics of evolutionary theory shy away from it. The just-so stories come up all the time and are largely based on the tautological formulation, and it is absolutely appropriate to point out when this circular reasoning is being used.

Why is e=mc^2 important as a tautology? It is a tautology, right? Of course it is.  "Survival of the fittest" is similarly tautologous (fittest = those that survive), and is important for the same reason. The tautology is not argument, not syllogism, but an *effect*, a *product* of the model, in both cases.

Eigenstate, I'm not sure why you think E=mc2 is a tautology.  It's not true by definition, and it's empirically falsifiable.  Could you elaborate?

Presumably 1+1 = 2 would be?

Like the second Law of thermodynamics (and evolution is a religion, Darwin was a racist twat, atheists have no logical basis for morality), NS = Tautology forms one of the very limited deck of Top Trumps that creationists try to play. It is one of the weaker ones - NS is a statement that is repetitious? Or 'entirely true if one part is true'? OMFG. Burn the Origin. One would certainly prefer a tautology over an argument from analogy ... but anyways NS isn't tautologous, not least because it is probabilistic. Iterations of 1+1 follow a probability distribution whose expected value is 2.

The faster runners pack the higher positions in a race. That's not tautologous - and certainly not 'circular reasoning'. It's just what happens when you set up a competition between variable entities. Even if the outcome was non-probabilistic - the fittest ALWAYS survived, or the runners always finished in the same order - we would not have a tautologous, still less a circular, argument. If the competition is discriminatory, it will discriminate (yikes! a tautology? Actually, no.).

Sorry - I should be talking to Eric. Just can't seem to ... (tap-tap-tap) ... ummm ... I think part of my internet is broken.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,04:44   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 16 2012,05:31)
Oh my, could it be THE Dave Scott?

budgettravel.com is hosting a poll of the "15 Places Kids Should See blahblahblah", and amongst them are the various Creobot "museums", including the Kentucky Fucktard and Flintstones attraction. In the comments for that one, about 15 comments in, there is this little gem:

 
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This place is amazing. I'm a teacher who took my 6th grade science students to see this place and they loved it for 2 reasons: 1)It LOOKS like DisneyWorld. It's one of the best quality museums Ive ever been to, including the Smithsonian, and 2) They learned a lot of things they didn't know enough to even ask questions about to begin with. It sets up a true "discovery" experience. - Dave Scott


Nah, Davey would never lie for Jesus, would he? I mean, he was an agnostic and all, right?



right?

WELL THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOMO GIRLYMEN LESBIANS

I'M GETTING MY WIFE TO CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION TO THE SMITHSONIAN.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,04:47   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 16 2012,10:40)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2012,21:55)
It's all about safe words zones:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-420555

That spewage from mullings is just a bunch of self serving bullshit and LIES.

HAH!

WE'VE NEVER SEEN YOU AND GORDON MULLINGS IN THE SAME TROPICAL MUD SLIDE AT THE SAME TIME

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,05:08   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 16 2012,01:21)
Sorry - I should be talking to Eric. Just can't seem to ... (tap-tap-tap) ... ummm ... I think part of my internet is broken.

Here's your problem, Sam: The Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,05:16   

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89 dmullenix February 16, 2012 at 5:06 am

Can the moon exist and not exist at the same time and in the same formal relation?

Well, according to logic, the answer is “No.” But according to quantum mechanics the answer is, “If you can get all of the atoms of the moon to stop jostling each other for a moment, then it can.”

Of course, that’s not good enough for Barry, but then Barry is the guy who once sued two political rivals for calling him a bully, thus proving conclusively that he IS a bully.

http://www.westword.com/1997-0.....0.....2

I’ve been reading this blog since Dr. Dr. Dembski founded it, usually just lurking, occasionally commenting under my own name. I’ve had a lot of laughs, a very few good arguments (thank you vjtorley) and an awful lot of WTF? moments.

But recently, under the leadership of Bully Arrington, I’ve mostly just been getting a sick-to-my-stomach feeling. This sick feeling really kicked into high gear last Friday when Bully gave us the absolutely best Friday Meltdown ever, except maybe for the time Dr. Dr. Dembski published the names, home addresses, home phone numbers and private email addresses of the entire Baylor Board of Directors. (Sorry, Barry, but not even you could top that one!)

Anyhow, I’ve read enough and I will now leave you all to stew in your own juices.

So Bully, the answer to your question is, “Yes.”


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,05:34   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 16 2012,05:19)
It does seem a bit unchristian of Barry to deny the Trinity.

Thats because it's all about Barry

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,06:03   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 16 2012,10:40)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2012,21:55)
It's all about safe words zones:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-420555

That spewage from mullings is just a bunch of self serving bullshit and LIES.

..umm 'n ur point?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,06:08   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 16 2012,13:16)
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89 dmullenix February 16, 2012 at 5:06 am

Can the moon exist and not exist at the same time and in the same formal relation?

Well, according to logic, the answer is “No.” But according to quantum mechanics the answer is, “If you can get all of the atoms of the moon to stop jostling each other for a moment, then it can.”

Of course, that’s not good enough for Barry, but then Barry is the guy who once sued two political rivals for calling him a bully, thus proving conclusively that he IS a bully.

http://www.westword.com/1997-0.....0.....2

I’ve been reading this blog since Dr. Dr. Dembski founded it, usually just lurking, occasionally commenting under my own name. I’ve had a lot of laughs, a very few good arguments (thank you vjtorley) and an awful lot of WTF? moments.

But recently, under the leadership of Bully Arrington, I’ve mostly just been getting a sick-to-my-stomach feeling. This sick feeling really kicked into high gear last Friday when Bully gave us the absolutely best Friday Meltdown ever, except maybe for the time Dr. Dr. Dembski published the names, home addresses, home phone numbers and private email addresses of the entire Baylor Board of Directors. (Sorry, Barry, but not even you could top that one!)

Anyhow, I’ve read enough and I will now leave you all to stew in your own juices.

So Bully, the answer to your question is, “Yes.”

I don't want to rain on muls ..er Ceilings Cats parade or anything but the whole point of Bullie's...erm point is, does Jupiter/teh Moon or God exist?

.....plainly the answer is no..

you fuckers just don't get it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,06:37   

Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 15 2012,18:07)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 15 2012,07:25)
Chris Doyle:



Chris forgot the part about how he got waxed in debate, deleted a couple lengthy threads in their entirety to hide the evidence (including many others' posts), and fled.

Love to link to it, but...

He didn't delete them, he relocated them:
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Nothing was deleted, it was merely relocated to another location once the last remaining traces of reasonable discussion were lost forever.

In a tough field, Chris Doyle is rapidly moving up the rankings of "most dishonest UD poster".

I must remember to send him a thank you note for helping me to discover some anger triggers I need to let go of on my path to enlightenment.

If you see Bhudda in the road kill him.

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"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,06:37   

gordons screed posted just upthread contains a nugget

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The senses of the words hot and cold in question are diverse, and once we see that the Inuit is comparing to a different base from the Panamanian, the seeming case for relativism evaporates.


baaaahahahahaha

an Inuit

Hey gordon, neither one of them would fuck you

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,08:21   

KF treats the moon as a wavicle and calculates a non-zero probability for superposition. Will he be banned?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,08:41   

Now that the decks are cleared the way is open for the true wisdom behind ID to finally bloom.

Barry:
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dmullenix, Joe has summarized the point of the post. The only reason we “know” the bigger engine increased fitness is because the dragster won the race. Well, we knew the dragster won the race before we ever examined the engine. Now it might be obvious to us that the bigger engine gave the dragster more speed, but just here is where your analogy breaks down. As Talbott points out in the article, any particular trait in an organism may — or may not — increase fitness depending on the circumstances. That is why “fitness” is a very slippery concept. For that reason, the only way we “know” that a trait increased fitness is that it survived and reproduced. But we knew it survived and reproduced already. Thus, the tautology.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-420637

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,09:05   

I'm trying to keep a straight face and discuss this conceptual problem seriously. It bothers lots of people, not just IDiots.

Defining fitness is a problem for a designer, but not for evolution. Differential reproduction sums all the contributing factors, including environmental factors that are constantly changing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,09:18   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 16 2012,10:05)
I'm trying to keep a straight face and discuss this conceptual problem seriously. It bothers lots of people, not just IDiots.

Defining fitness is a problem for a designer, but not for evolution. Differential reproduction sums all the contributing factors, including environmental factors that are constantly changing.

it's so cute when they talk about other people's science

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,09:31   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 16 2012,05:16)
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89 dmullenix February 16, 2012 at 5:06 am

Can the moon exist and not exist at the same time and in the same formal relation?

Well, according to logic, the answer is “No.” But according to quantum mechanics the answer is, “If you can get all of the atoms of the moon to stop jostling each other for a moment, then it can.”

Of course, that’s not good enough for Barry, but then Barry is the guy who once sued two political rivals for calling him a bully, thus proving conclusively that he IS a bully.

http://www.westword.com/1997-0.....0.....2

I’ve been reading this blog since Dr. Dr. Dembski founded it, usually just lurking, occasionally commenting under my own name. I’ve had a lot of laughs, a very few good arguments (thank you vjtorley) and an awful lot of WTF? moments.

But recently, under the leadership of Bully Arrington, I’ve mostly just been getting a sick-to-my-stomach feeling. This sick feeling really kicked into high gear last Friday when Bully gave us the absolutely best Friday Meltdown ever, except maybe for the time Dr. Dr. Dembski published the names, home addresses, home phone numbers and private email addresses of the entire Baylor Board of Directors. (Sorry, Barry, but not even you could top that one!)

Anyhow, I’ve read enough and I will now leave you all to stew in your own juices.

So Bully, the answer to your question is, “Yes.”

Suicide sock fails, but post disappears to be replaced with a 2,500 word screed by KF containing numerous fever swamps (which is apparently a term from Jesus' sermon on the mount - we learn new things every day), and in this paragraph we learn more of what makes KF get out of bed in the morning:
   
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h: The image I often have is the banana: plucked from its hand, peeled, sucked out of what was wanted, the husk tossed away and forgotten. That works with the sexual exploiters who try to rack up notches on their bed posts of girls they have seduced and tossed. It works with those who want cannon fodder for cultural-political movements, it works at the extreme with those who are making suicide bombers. And so forth.

And so forth, indeed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,09:35   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 16 2012,08:41)
Now that the decks are cleared the way is open for the true wisdom behind ID to finally bloom.

Barry:
 
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dmullenix, Joe has summarized the point of the post. The only reason we “know” the bigger engine increased fitness is because the dragster won the race. Well, we knew the dragster won the race before we ever examined the engine. Now it might be obvious to us that the bigger engine gave the dragster more speed, but just here is where your analogy breaks down. As Talbott points out in the article, any particular trait in an organism may — or may not — increase fitness depending on the circumstances. That is why “fitness” is a very slippery concept. For that reason, the only way we “know” that a trait increased fitness is that it survived and reproduced. But we knew it survived and reproduced already. Thus, the tautology.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-420637

Now Barry's banned us all, he can happily stay in ignorance of any real biology.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,09:43   

Did News forget who she works for?

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If “sophisticated cellular machinery” yields an “inherent survival mechanism,” aren’t we closer to creationism than to Darwin?


Emphasis mine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,09:50   

It's interesting to hear about KF's banana fetish. God was good to make it the right size.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2012,10:02   

Quote (sledgehammer @ Jan. 29 2012,21:23)
O'Leary quoting TBS interview w/ Dembski
     
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TBS: You have stated that “design theorists oppose Darwinian theory on strictly scientific grounds.” But then why is the ID movement so heavily populated with religious believers? Could we not expect more of the scientific community to support ID if your statement were true? Why do the majority of the world’s leading scientific bodies oppose ID and claim that it does not qualify as science?
  Good question.  But will Dembski answer it?
     
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WD: The quote needs context. I’ve also written that intelligent design, besides being a scientific program, has a theological dimension, in trying to understand divine action, and a cultural dimension, in trying to overturn naturalism. So intelligent design is a number of things. But at its core, it is a scientific program. Indeed, unless there is good science to back it up, all the cultural and theological superstructures that people build on it will be in vain.
  Apparently not.

     
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WD: As for why religious believers tend to be associated with design, I could turn the question around. If Darwinian evolution is strictly scientific, then why is that field so heavily populated with atheists?
  Why is this even a question when the answer is so obvious?

     
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WD: I see a scientific core to both intelligent design and Darwinian evolution. And I see no merit in questioning their scientific status by the company they keep. The character of the proposals that both approaches make is what really ought to count.

  It should. And it does.

BillyD is the MickyD of ID.

Drive up and get your answer, it may be wrong but it's fast and cheap.

  
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