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At which SPECIFIC point in the abiogenetic development of life on this planet is non-natural intervention necessary. Which SPECIFIC step in the (proposed, natural) process is impossible? Where, SPECIFICALLY, is the discontinuity that demands non-natural means to cross?
I want the actual chemical process that is "impossible". Detail, I crave detail.
I didn't characterize any chemical steps as "impossible". †What I called "impossible" was man's ability to explain what those exact steps were.
So let me rephrase your question:
What is the SPECIFIC (proposed, natural) process for the abiogenetic development of life on this planet? †I want the actual chemical process. Detail, I crave detail.
Ok then, what do you want? The exact route taken, 100% certain to be the identical one traced back in the dim recesses of history? Because I seriously doubt we'll ever get that. Or do you want the detail of the myriad likely scenarios that exist (which is what we have now) with no optimum yet described?
Also, there's quite a lot of chemistry involved I'm at least relatively certain you won't understand, I'll suggest a few books if it'll help.
And lastly, you haven't answered the question or even tried to. You've merely appealed to current ignorance, and if that's the best you can do, I'll leave you with 'Ras and the yoghurt, because frankly, the yoghurt is about the right level.
What I want is an undisputed (by the experts), verifiable (all chemical steps worked out), possible pathway from non-life to life, or (if you read my blog) from some plausible precursor to the present E. coli amino acid synthesis system for lysine, threonine, isoleucine, and methionine. †There must be sufficient detail and the scientific community must reach a consensus that, 'yes, we've figured it out'.
Now, I don't have the background in chemistry to fully understand most of this. †I'm currently studying a biochemistry textbook to try to learn as much as I can about such things. †In fact that's where I got the idea for this prediction in the first place. †I found the †E. Coli biochemical pathway in there and I thought, "how do they explain this?".
As for your question: †You tell me. †What are the current hangups? †What are the big hurdles in OOL research? †You see, my prediction is not dependent on my limited understanding of chemistry and the issues, it's dependent on the understanding of the best and the brightest among us. †I'm predicting they'll never find the answer.
Ok then Danny, if genuine curiosity is what you're all about, then hop on over to the abiogenesis thread, there's a few references over there for you to start on.
Unless of course you expect me to type out an entire field of science and centuries of work in this thread!