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Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2007,15:37   

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Aside from the executions, the jails filled; orphans proliferated; farms fell to ruin, all because people had good intentions about leading a village "back to God."

I've heard it lots of times, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,23:17   

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Is Salvador really so stupid?
Obviously,when you compare his post titles
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A YEC student gets an A in a JHU physics course :-)
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ďAĒ stands for rectum


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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,11:12   

Sal continues to find ways to go ever lower in his quest to prove that he, and he alone, holds claim to the title of "most disgusting creationist".

And this one has a most interesting postscript    
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HT: FtK

I'll leave it to the physicists to dissect his other post from today, but I did find this quote amusing    
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I commend the valor of those who conceived of the Big Bang theory. I have even gone so far to say it is a creationist-friendly theory if one is willing to have a not-so-literal reading of Genesis or if one is willing to invoke the fact time flows differently in different contexts.


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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,12:04   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 02 2008,11:12)
Sal continues to find ways to go ever lower in his quest to prove that he, and he alone, holds claim to the title of "most disgusting creationist".

And this one has a most interesting postscript † †
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HT: FtK

I'll leave it to the physicists to dissect his other post from today, but I did find this quote amusing † †
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I commend the valor of those who conceived of the Big Bang theory. I have even gone so far to say it is a creationist-friendly theory if one is willing to have a not-so-literal reading of Genesis or if one is willing to invoke the fact time flows differently in different contexts.

It's disgusting to you, Dave.  But, copulation with man, woman (she's bisexual), beast, and relative is okay with Skatje.  So, I'm not sure why Sal is being disgusting.  Are those type of relationships "disgusting", and if so, why?

Discuss....

(sorry Assi, I swear I'll get to you by the end of the day.)

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"Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

  
Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,12:12   

I'll take Missing The Point for five hundred, Alex.

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,12:15   

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I'll take Missing The Point for five hundred, Alex.

Then *you* explain the point I'm missing.

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"Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

  
Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,12:19   

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I'll take Missing The Point for five hundred, Alex.

Then *you* explain the point I'm missing.

I'm a little busy and you'll probably ignore any explanation too detailed to caricature anyway.

ETA: Also if I wait five minutes Albatrossity will do it.

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"ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,12:23   

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It's disgusting to you, Dave.  But, copulation with man, woman (she's bisexual), beast, and relative is okay with Skatje.  So, I'm not sure why Sal is being disgusting.  Are those type of relationships "disgusting", and if so, why?

Discuss....

1) It's quote-mining. See the entire post from which Sal quotes, and note that he does not give a link to that post. Perhaps that is because it starts out with this    
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Allow me to first tell you that I personally do not have an interest in bestiality. I donít support it being legal because I want to hump animals.
And yet Sal's post implies that she would have a collared peccary as a fiance.

2) She's what, 16? Sal should stick to picking on grown-ups like ERV. Of course, I have no doubts that she can eviscerate Sal verbally. But she really shouldn't have to do that.

Sal is disgusting because he is a liar (quote-mining is lying) and because he feels that 16 yr old girls are fair game for "proving" his fantasies about atheists/darwinists/evilutionists. Read that again.  Sal is disgusting. Please quit trying to switch the conversation to a discussion of why (or if) bestiality is disgusting.

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,12:25   

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I'll take Missing The Point for five hundred, Alex.

Then *you* explain the point I'm missing.

I'm a little busy and you'll probably ignore any explanation too detailed to caricature anyway.

Or refuse to discuss any response in any detail. Same difference.

Or just point to a link and claim it refutes the point at hand without explaining why.

Or any of the other 1000 creationist tricks FTK has used to avoid engaging on the substantial points of any issue.

Odd, how when you get to specifics of why evilution is wrong and creationism is right FTK just stops posting. Must be co-incidence.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,12:34   

It's no coincidence, it's just old and boring because she's like already refuted those arguments so many times. †Like here and here and .here

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,12:56   

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2) She's what, 16? Sal should stick to picking on grown-ups like ERV. Of course, I have no doubts that she can eviscerate Sal verbally. But she really shouldn't have to do that.

What people like Sal and FTK are afraid to do is to take the experts on in the universally* accepted field of battle. They can't even acknowledge when they are wrong (E.G FTK could simply say "I was in error when noting that Walt has submitted his work for peer review") as if they can be wrong about one thing, the whole edifice built by cognitive dissonance could be in danger. I think :p

16 year old bloggers must therefore seem like tempting targets.

FTK, you and Sal get some major ownage on the crank index btw
       
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#  A -5 point starting credit.

# 1 point for every statement that is widely agreed on to be false.

# 2 points for every statement that is clearly vacuous.

# 3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent.

# 5 points for each such statement that is adhered to despite careful correction.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

I mean, check some of the others out, Sal is just racking up the points!    
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#  10 points for arguing that a current well-established theory is "only a theory", as if this were somehow a point against it.

# 10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn't explain "why" they occur, or fails to provide a "mechanism".

# 10 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Einstein, or claim that special or general relativity are fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).

# 10 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a "paradigm shift".


*depends on your score on the crank chart.

  
Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:02   

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It's disgusting to you, Dave. †But, copulation with man, woman (she's bisexual), beast, and relative is okay with Skatje. †So, I'm not sure why Sal is being disgusting. †Are those type of relationships "disgusting", and if so, why?

Discuss....

(sorry Assi, I swear I'll get to you by the end of the day.)

1) It's quote-mining. See the entire post from which Sal quotes, and note that he does not give a link to that post. Perhaps that is because it starts out with this † †  
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Allow me to first tell you that I personally do not have an interest in bestiality. I donít support it being legal because I want to hump animals.
And yet Sal's post implies that she would have a collared peccary as a fiance.

2) She's what, 16? Sal should stick to picking on grown-ups like ERV. Of course, I have no doubts that she can eviscerate Sal verbally. But she really shouldn't have to do that.

Sal is disgusting because he is a liar (quote-mining is lying) and because he feels that 16 yr old girls are fair game for "proving" his fantasies about atheists/darwinists/evilutionists. Read that again. †Sal is disgusting. Please quit trying to switch the conversation to a discussion of why (or if) bestiality is disgusting.

Dave,

1. †Sal HT'd me...so that's not quote mining. †I linked to Skatje's *entire* post. †I'll make sure that where he HT'd me the link is accessible for those who don't read the post right before his.

2. †It doesn't matter if Skatje wants to hump animals or not. †The point is that it is completely moral to do so. †

3. †Sal implying that "she would have a collared peccary as a fiance" is humor meant to drive the point home. †For the record, this is not the type of humor I advocate. But, it is interesting to note that your outrage is only displayed when you feel someone from my side has stepped over the line in this way. †For instance, Erasamus's post yesterday was just as outrageous, yet not word from you on that one...interesting.

He wrote:
 
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RB and I'd like for you et al to consider the following:

The time interval between the Fall and the first time that Adam realizes that he can beat his meat by himself.

The brief interlude between the closing of the doors on the ark and the first time that Noah considered banging one of his daughters, for the first time.

The moments between the first greeting between King David and Johnathan, and the time required for David to reach a full, complete erection.

The number of times Joseph wondered just who in the hell his betrothed wife had been slipping around with.

How many calluses must have been on the palm of Jesus, the virgin haploid redeemer of mankind. †Alternatively, did he never masturbate? †Did Jesus sometimes consider breaking his own rules so that he might relieve a little pressure? †If he didn't, can we say that he is truly human?


Evidently RB (Reciprocating Bill?) helped him with that one and has no problem with it either.

The hypocrisy is rampant at this site.

The fact that Skatje is 17 is irrelevant. †She is an extremely intelligent woman who has put a LOT of thought into these matters. †She's in college and has probably given more thought to these issues than most adults.

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:07   

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It's disgusting to you, Dave. †But, copulation with man, woman (she's bisexual), beast, and relative is okay with Skatje. †So, I'm not sure why Sal is being disgusting. †Are those type of relationships "disgusting", and if so, why?

Discuss....

(sorry Assi, I swear I'll get to you by the end of the day.)

1) It's quote-mining. See the entire post from which Sal quotes, and note that he does not give a link to that post. Perhaps that is because it starts out with this † † †
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Allow me to first tell you that I personally do not have an interest in bestiality. I donít support it being legal because I want to hump animals.
And yet Sal's post implies that she would have a collared peccary as a fiance.

2) She's what, 16? Sal should stick to picking on grown-ups like ERV. Of course, I have no doubts that she can eviscerate Sal verbally. But she really shouldn't have to do that.

Sal is disgusting because he is a liar (quote-mining is lying) and because he feels that 16 yr old girls are fair game for "proving" his fantasies about atheists/darwinists/evilutionists. Read that again. †Sal is disgusting. Please quit trying to switch the conversation to a discussion of why (or if) bestiality is disgusting.

Dave,

1. †Sal HT'd me...so that's not quote mining. †I linked to Skatje's *entire* post. †I'll make sure that where he HT'd me the link is accessible for those who don't read the post right before his.

2. †It doesn't matter if Skatje wants to hump animals or not. †The point is that it is completely moral to do so. †

3. †Sal implying that "she would have a collared peccary as a fiance" is humor meant to drive the point home. †For the record, this is not the type of humor I advocate. But, it is interesting to note that your outrage is only displayed when you feel someone from my side has stepped over the line in this way. †For instance, Erasamus's post yesterday was just as outrageous, yet not word from you on that one...interesting.

He wrote:
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RB and I'd like for you et al to consider the following:

The time interval between the Fall and the first time that Adam realizes that he can beat his meat by himself.

The brief interlude between the closing of the doors on the ark and the first time that Noah considered banging one of his daughters, for the first time.

The moments between the first greeting between King David and Johnathan, and the time required for David to reach a full, complete erection.

The number of times Joseph wondered just who in the hell his betrothed wife had been slipping around with.

How many calluses must have been on the palm of Jesus, the virgin haploid redeemer of mankind. †Alternatively, did he never masturbate? †Did Jesus sometimes consider breaking his own rules so that he might relieve a little pressure? †If he didn't, can we say that he is truly human?


Evidently RB (Reciprocating Bill?) helped him with that one and has no problem with it either.

The hypocrisy is rampant at this site.

The fact that Skatje is 17 is irrelevant. †She is an extremely intelligent woman who has put a LOT of thought into these matters. †She's in college and has probably given more thought to these issues than most adults.

Also, Skatje is the daughter of one of the most ardent religion bashers.  It only makes sense to consider the morals of his followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like without religion.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:17   

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Also, Skatje is the daughter of one of the most ardent religion bashers.  It only makes sense to consider the morals of his followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like without religion.

FTK, what are your kids names and where are their blogs?
It only makes sense to consider the morals of your followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like with religion.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:19   

So, all of the following are true:

1) You don't condone Sal's actions.
2) You will defend Sal and argue points on his behalf.
3) You don't think anyone can criticize Sal fairly 'cause Erasmus is a jerk and nobody criticized him.

Is this correct? Because you've posted all of this.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:21   

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Also, Skatje is the daughter of one of the most ardent religion bashers. †It only makes sense to consider the morals of his followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like without religion.

Full of extremely intelligent women who put a great deal of thought into matters that escape most adults? Absent smegma like Sal?

I'm liking it. Say more.

(Waits while Fkt looks up "smegma.")

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:27   

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Also, Skatje is the daughter of one of the most ardent religion bashers. †It only makes sense to consider the morals of his followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like without religion.

FTK, what are your kids names and where are their blogs?
It only makes sense to consider the morals of your followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like with religion.

OM, Skatje and PZ are very vocal in this debate.  They are out there for all the world to see, and they *want* their views heard by all in the public square.  I have every right to read and consider their views.

My children don't have blogs, and they don't have any want to force their beliefs on others.  Neither do they want to stop atheists from having a voice or treat them like dirt.  I hope that attitude never changes.  I want them to treat people with respect regardless as to whether they vehemently disagree with them or not.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:30   

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Also, Skatje is the daughter of one of the most ardent religion bashers.  It only makes sense to consider the morals of his followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like without religion.

FTK, what are your kids names and where are their blogs?
It only makes sense to consider the morals of your followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like with religion.

OM, Skatje and PZ are very vocal in this debate.  They are out there for all the world to see, and they *want* their views heard by all in the public square.  I have every right to read and consider their views.

My children don't have blogs, and they don't have any want to force their beliefs on others.  Neither do they want to stop atheists from having a voice or treat them like dirt.  I hope that attitude never changes.  I want them to treat people with respect regardless as to whether they vehemently disagree with them or not.

Then treat the people here with some respect and don't refuse to acknowledge something that refutes a point you've previously made.
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I have every right to read and consider their views.

Sal does something quite different.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:32   

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Dave,

1.  Sal HT'd me...so that's not quote mining.  I linked to Skatje's *entire* post.  I'll make sure that where he HT'd me the link is accessible for those who don't read the post right before his.

What does his nod in your direction have to do with what I documented in my last post? He quoted something, did not link to the entire post, and implied that the extracted quote meant something that was directly contradicted if you could read the entire post. That is the very definition of quote-mining, and whether or not you provided him with the link is completely irrelevant. What part of that seems so hard to understand? Sal quote-mined. Quote-mining is lying. Are you OK with that?
     
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2.  It doesn't matter if Skatje wants to hump animals or not.  The point is that it is completely moral to do so.

Again, if you read that post not linked by Sal (and apparently not read or understood by you) you will not find the word "moral". You will find the word "legal". There is a difference, unless you live in a theocracy. She did NOT say that it is "completely moral" to do so. You are putting words in her mouth, and that is lying as well.
   
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3.  Sal implying that "she would have a collared peccary as a fiance" is humor meant to drive the point home.  For the record, this is not the type of humor I advocate. But, it is interesting to note that your outrage is only displayed when you feel someone from my side has stepped over the line in this way.  For instance, Erasamus's post yesterday was just as outrageous, yet not word from you on that one...interesting....extraneous stuff snipped...

In other words, two wrongs make a right. FYI, I didn't see Erasmus' post from yesterday, so your assumptions about my lack of outrage are, per usual, unsupported by evidence. Quit trying to deflect the focus from Sal's obnoxious behavior; that's what we are talking about, and that is what you apparently are defending. Quote-mining. Lies. Innuendo about bestiality on the part of a teen-age girl.  What possible good can come from defending stuff like that?  The fact that I don't express outrage at something I didn't read is inconsequential compared to your active defense of Sal's lies, disguised as "humor". Focus on that, please.

And I won't even touch the argument that she deserves it because of your disagreements with her father. How absurd. Only someone who accepted the concept of original sin could find that argument compelling. I don't. If you or Sal have issues with PZ, how about tackling those issues directly, rather than lying about his daughter?  ERV's characterization of Sal is beginning to look more and more mild all the time.

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:33   

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The hypocrisy is rampant at this site.

FTK,
has it ever occurred to you that the people here are in the main not representatives of the religion you call darwinism? ATBC for petes sake.

Yet you and Sal and Dr Dr Dr Dembski are the public face and representatives of Intelligent Design Creationism?

99.99999999999999999999% of creationists have not heard of this site. Or if they have, they are certainly very shy about saying hello! But I'll be a much larger chunk have heard about you and Sal and Dr "farty" Dembski.

So even if hypocrisy was rampant at this site, it's not doing that library full of books about evilution any harm. Are you persuading the lurkers? Don't you ever wonder that FTK?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:37   

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My children don't have blogs, and they don't have any want to force their beliefs on others.

And what about there own children then? How is that moral?

Aside from the other morality and general questions (I'm waiting with patience ;)), I wonder why you support Sal.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:38   

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1) You don't condone Sal's actions.


I don't condone his choice of humor, and I said so in my post at YC.

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You will defend Sal and argue points on his behalf.


I will argue his points minus his lack of tact because he has a *good* point that he could have articulated in a more respectful way.  He's fed up with the lot of you, and is apparently dead set on making a point of that.

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You don't think anyone can criticize Sal fairly 'cause Erasmus is a jerk and nobody criticized him.


Oh, on the contrary.  You have every right to criticize Sal's delivery as long as you address the point as well.  And, if you are going to criticize his lack of tact, then you should speak up when your side is acting in the same manner.  I was told that what Sal wrote is far worse than anything one can find at this site, and that is far, far from the truth.  It only feels that way because it's aimed at you rather than those damn "creationists" who you feel deserve it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:41   

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My children don't have blogs, and they don't have any want to force their beliefs on others.

And what about there own children then? How is that moral?

Aside from the other morality and general questions questions (I'm waiting with patience ;)), I wonder why you support Sal.

I don't force my views on my children any more than an parent on this earth does.  It's not even possible to have children and not influence them to some degree.

I've mentioned numerous times that I don't support Sal's choice in how he made his point.  I do agree that he has a point, albeit lost due to his choice of delivery.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:43   

We've explained why he doesn't have a good/decent point, he has nothing (except a physics degree). Really, we don't care about his choice of words, we don't care about his humor, we only care about the lousy point he's making. And it is lousy. I've explained why before.
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I don't force my views on my children any more than an parent on this earth does.

Wich is the main problem. Lots of parents raise there children with there own religion, as if the kids were also christians/jews/hindu's/hippies/communists/whatever. They think it's the best, they have good intentions, but there denying there kids the right to become individuals. They don't have a free choice now. I think I do, because I really don't have a clue what my parents beleive or think about shitloads of things.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:54   

Dave, I have no idea how you find that sentence Sal used an example of quote mining.  

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Sexual relationships between humans and animals come as such a shock to people, but it doesnít to me. There can be very deep, meaningful relationships between humans and their pets.

Skatje Myers (daughter of Darwinist PZ Myers)


That is exactly her feelings on the subject.  That sentence has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not she has sex or wants to have sex with animals!  The point is that she feels it shouldn't be shocking that some people can find deep, meaningful relationships between humans and their pets!!!

How is that quote mining?!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,13:59   

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We've explained why he doesn't have a good/decent point, he has nothing (except a physics degree). Really, we don't care about his choice of words, we don't care about his humor, we only care about the lousy point he's making. And it is lousy. I've explained why before.
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I don't force my views on my children any more than an parent on this earth does.

Wich is the main problem. Lots of parents raise there children with there own religion, as if the kids were also christians/jews/hindu's/hippies/communists/whatever. They think it's the best, they have good intentions, but there denying there kids the right to become individuals. They don't have a free choice now. I think I do, because I really don't have a clue what my parents beleive or think about shitloads of things.

If you think you're parents have not influenced you on matter of religion and other issues, then you're pretty naive.  A lack of involvement and education on the subject of religion can also be of influence to a child.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,14:01   

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Dave, I have no idea how you find that sentence Sal used an example of quote mining.  

 
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Sexual relationships between humans and animals come as such a shock to people, but it doesnít to me. There can be very deep, meaningful relationships between humans and their pets.

Skatje Myers (daughter of Darwinist PZ Myers)


That is exactly her feelings on the subject.  That sentence has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not she has sex or wants to have sex with animals!  The point is that she feels it shouldn't be shocking that some people can find deep, meaningful relationships between humans and their pets!!!

How is that quote mining?!

Keep on digging FTK!
 
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Skatje Allow me to first tell you that I personally do not have an interest in bestiality. I donít support it being legal because I want to hump animals. You might ask, why even bother arguing for this position if it really doesnít actually matter to me. Youíre right. Thereís no point in me doing this, but since FTK made a comment and I replied asking why sheís against bestiality, thereís been a huge freak-out. So I feel the need to address this and clarify that Iím just arguing a rational stance and Iím not some sort of psychotic horse-raping weirdo.


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,14:09   

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Also, Skatje is the daughter of one of the most ardent religion bashers. †It only makes sense to consider the morals of his followers and offspring when considering what our future might look like without religion.

Full of extremely intelligent women who put a great deal of thought into matters that escape most adults? Absent smegma like Sal?

I'm liking it. Say more.

(Waits while Fkt looks up "smegma.")

Really uncalled for, Bill.  But, it looks like your involvement with the above Erasmus post and your smegma name calling puts you in the exact same category as Salvador Cordova.  How does that hit ya?  

Interesting that you were the one who said there isn't anything written here than compares to Sal's shenanigans.

Pot, meet kettle...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,14:10   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,13:59)
Quote (Assassinator @ Jan. 02 2008,13:43)
We've explained why he doesn't have a good/decent point, he has nothing (except a physics degree). Really, we don't care about his choice of words, we don't care about his humor, we only care about the lousy point he's making. And it is lousy. I've explained why before.
 
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I don't force my views on my children any more than an parent on this earth does.

Wich is the main problem. Lots of parents raise there children with there own religion, as if the kids were also christians/jews/hindu's/hippies/communists/whatever. They think it's the best, they have good intentions, but there denying there kids the right to become individuals. They don't have a free choice now. I think I do, because I really don't have a clue what my parents beleive or think about shitloads of things.

If you think you're parents have not influenced you on matter of religion and other issues, then you're pretty naive. †A lack of involvement and education on the subject of religion can also be of influence to a child.

O I was involved, my grandma is christian and I went to an evangelical youthclub all by myself (it was fun). My parents had nothing to do with it, I really don't know what my parents think of religion and what they beleive themselfs.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,14:14   

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Dave, I have no idea how you find that sentence Sal used an example of quote mining. †

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Sexual relationships between humans and animals come as such a shock to people, but it doesnít to me. There can be very deep, meaningful relationships between humans and their pets.

Skatje Myers (daughter of Darwinist PZ Myers)


That is exactly her feelings on the subject. †That sentence has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not she has sex or wants to have sex with animals! †The point is that she feels it shouldn't be shocking that some people can find deep, meaningful relationships between humans and their pets!!!

How is that quote mining?!

Keep on digging FTK!
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Skatje Allow me to first tell you that I personally do not have an interest in bestiality. I donít support it being legal because I want to hump animals. You might ask, why even bother arguing for this position if it really doesnít actually matter to me. Youíre right. Thereís no point in me doing this, but since FTK made a comment and I replied asking why sheís against bestiality, thereís been a huge freak-out. So I feel the need to address this and clarify that Iím just arguing a rational stance and Iím not some sort of psychotic horse-raping weirdo.

? You're point?  How does that negate the fact that she condones the act?  She thinks it's A-okay to have relations with animals.  So what if she says she doesn't enjoy it personally.  That's not even the point.  You believe homosexuality is A-okay, yet you probably aren't participating in the act.  Same thing.

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