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Bebbo



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:15   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 24 2007,08:46)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 24 2007,08:39)
So Jim Webb, who DID see combat, is now supposed to 'apologize' to Dave tard, who didn't.

Much like Bush attacking Kerry on his war record.

Bravo, Dave.

In all fairness, using Vietnam as a †baseline, I have more faith in the current administration to manage Iraq than I do Jim Webb. †

After all, to paraphrase something I read elsewhere, Bush and Cheney had an exit strategy for Vietnam. †Webb obviously didn't.

It would be more accurate to say Bush and Cheney had a no entry strategy with Vietnam.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:24   

DaveScot
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EVERYONE from the United Nations to the CIA to MI6 to Mossad believed Saddam was hiding WMD.

UN Weapons Inspector 2003: "The commission has not at any time during the inspections in Iraq found evidence of the continuation or resumption of programs of weapons of mass destruction or significant quantities of proscribed items"

DaveScot
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implied that Saddam was behind 9/11

Thatís untrue.

Bush 2003: "The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda."
Bush 2003: "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on."

DaveScot
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Saddam ... had a huge terrorist training camp at Salman Pak complete with a jumbo-jet mockup that was used by foreign terrorists.

United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 2006: "no credible reports that non-Iraqis were trained to conduct or support transnational terrorist operations at Salman Pak after 1991...no information from Salman Pak that links al-Qa'ida with the former regime."

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:27   

its' not like DS really needs or even wants credible evidence, just look at the evidence for ID! :)
Hardly credible .

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:27   

Re "This latest revelation of [...]. Film at 11."

Remind me to unplug my TV well before 11...

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:33   

Re "just look at the evidence for ID!"

Got an electron microscope I could borrow for that project? ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:39   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 24 2007,11:27)
its' not like DS really needs or even wants credible evidence, just look at the evidence for ID! :)
Hardly credible .

SHUT UP AND LISTEN 'CAUSE I'M TALKING. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE CSI EVERYWHERE? ONLY DOGMATIC EVOLUTIONIST ATHEISTS LIBERAL WEENIES COUDL BE THAT STUPID. I AM A GENIUS AUTODICTOR (IQ NORTH OF 150) WHO USED TO WORK AT DELL AND I DONT UNDERSTAND EVILUTION. THAT'S WHAT CSI MEANS; "I DONT UNDERSTAND". AND IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, YOU CERTAINLY DONT BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE DOSEN'T EVEN FLOAT, THINK ABOUT IT. IF THE SMARTEST PERSON YOU'VE MET (ME) DOESNT UNDERSTAND IT THEN THERES ONLY ONE EXPLANITION. GOD DID IT.

RIGHT I'M GOING TO EMAIL MICHEAL MY PLANS FOR AN ARMYSUPERBOT. IT HAS A GUN AND A BIBLE AND HATES LIBERALS AND IS HAWWT LIKE ANN COULTARD.



PS: CHRISTIANS HAVE MORE CSI THAN MUSLIMS.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:47   

Compare and contrast research methodologies:


NDE:

Peer reviewed publications.

ID / DaveTard


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On a listserve which shall remain nameless ...


http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1993#more-1993

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Bebbo



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:52   

Over at UD Joseph tries to refute the notion that ID is religion:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1986#comments

He says "If the Bible were falsified today, would ID be affected? No". But if the Bible were falsified and the people in the ID movement became atheists would ID continue? No.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,12:12   

(for reasons I don't understand) Mike Dunford posts some stuff at UD.

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Mike Dunford

01/24/2007

12:37 pm

DaveScot:
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Haldane used the maximum amount of hard selection practical to arrive at the highest speed of fixation possible (300 generations for humans).

Iím sorry, but that just isnít correct. First, and on a more minor count, Haldaneís calculations were not human-specific, and 300 generations was a general approximation. Second, that figure is not the highest speed of fixation possible. It is the highest speed of fixation practical in a hard selection scenario. Under soft selection, fixation can take place more rapidly than 300 generations.

Sal:
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But letís look at it briefly, and one will see it is only a tautologous version of Kimuraís neutral theory, with the ďbeneficialĒ label retrodictively (after-the-fact) added to the subsitutions that make it to fixation!

Hardly. The scenario that you sketched was neutral, because the trait was totally invisible in the population. That doesnít mean that all such scenarios will be - think about dominant traits, for example. We can identify regions in the genome that are, or have recently been, under selection provided that we can find the right sorts of markers nearby because the gene frequencies in those areas deviate from the neutral expectation in specific ways.

DaveScot:
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What doesnít make much sense is trying to say Haldane is wrong about the cost and speed of beneficial substitutions.

Iím not sure that anyone is making that argument. Haldane was right about the cost and speed of beneficial substitutions in the specific case of that sort of hard selection. The error only comes in extrapolating the results obtained using Haldaneís specific set of assumptions to cover all cases, including those which do not meet those assumptions.

A lot of what Iím trying to say will come through more clearly if I take a simulation through a few steps. Unfortunately, Iím not a good enough programmer (read: not a programmer at all) to set up some process to do it by hand. I wonít have the time or inclination to do so today - Iíve already got several hours of math on the table, and am not voluntarily going to add more, but Iíll take a swing at it tomorrow. Iíll post it on my own blog - that will make it easier for me to do the formatting and save drafts - and post a link here when Iím done.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,12:42   

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GilDodgen

01/24/2007

1:11 pm

The point of my little rant is that one doesnít need higher mathematics, profound technical analysis, or a Haldaneís Dilemma to figure out that what is claimed for Darwinian mechanisms could not have happened. With an awareness of the nature of DNA and the integrated functional complexity of living things, and a little math that one can do in his head, it becomes immediately obvious that the available probabilistic resources (yes, I know, natural selection throws out the bad stuff) are countless orders of magnitude (actually, orders of magnitude of orders of magnitude) out of sync with the task at hand.

NDE mechanisms arenít even in the ballpark from the get-go, so all the rest is just vanity and chasing after the wind.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1988#comment-87140

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,12:53   

What's happening over at UnderwhelmingEvidence right now is hilarious.

And that's all I'll say on the matter.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,13:21   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 24 2007,12:53)
What's happening over at UnderwhelmingEvidence right now is hilarious.

And that's all I'll say on the matter.

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My only worry is what other known facts do we have as well as the Bible? I would say the Koran is literally true as well, so we can reject materialism twice over


Get your noggin 'round that 'science'/'logic'.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,13:29   

More from overflowing underpants [Paaaaaarp!]:

http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe....achines

 
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The ingenuity and information that it takes to construct a Von Neumann machine atom by atom is enormous. Some say that that is an impossible feat. We know of no mechanism, save one, that can construct complex machinery that is capable of self-reproduction, namely, intelligence. Here are some examples of intelligent design (notice that only one of these qualifies as a Von Neumann machine):

Can you guess which one?

Motor # 1

Motor # 2

Motor # 3

Your thoughts?



ermm...

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/V/Von_Neumann_machine.html

 
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Von Neumann machine Last modified: Monday, August 05, 2002 †

(pronounced von noi-man) An early computer created by Hungarian mathematician John von Neumann (1903-1957). It included three components used by most computers today: a CPU; a slow-to-access storage area, like a hard drive ; and secondary fast-access memory (RAM ). The machines stored instructions as binary values (creating the stored program concept) and executed instructions sequentially - the processor fetched instructions one at a time and processed them. Today "von Neumann architecture" often refers to the sequential nature of computers based on this model.




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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,14:02   

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American Chronicle is an online magazine, not a scientific journal. There's no indication the article was peer-reviewed and no indication of any actual "research", either, just pure speculation. I'd also like to see some explanation of how you would test a statement like "human intelligence constitutes the cosmological constant" (among many others).

http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe....ent-840

I got there 47 seconds after it was posted on OW, thought i'd better grab it while I could!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,14:31   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 24 2007,11:39)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 24 2007,11:27)
its' not like DS really needs or even wants credible evidence, just look at the evidence for ID! :)
Hardly credible .

SHUT UP AND LISTEN 'CAUSE I'M TALKING. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE CSI EVERYWHERE? ONLY DOGMATIC EVOLUTIONIST ATHEISTS LIBERAL WEENIES COUDL BE THAT STUPID. I AM A GENIUS AUTODICTOR (IQ NORTH OF 150) WHO USED TO WORK AT DELL AND I DONT UNDERSTAND EVILUTION. THAT'S WHAT CSI MEANS; "I DONT UNDERSTAND". AND IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, YOU CERTAINLY DONT BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE DOSEN'T EVEN FLOAT, THINK ABOUT IT. IF THE SMARTEST PERSON YOU'VE MET (ME) DOESNT UNDERSTAND IT THEN THERES ONLY ONE EXPLANITION. GOD DID IT.

RIGHT I'M GOING TO EMAIL MICHEAL MY PLANS FOR AN ARMYSUPERBOT. IT HAS A GUN AND A BIBLE AND HATES LIBERALS AND IS HAWWT LIKE ANN COULTARD.



PS: CHRISTIANS HAVE MORE CSI THAN MUSLIMS.

Haha dude give me a break, you know how hard it is to get the taste of beer off one's nose?

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A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:

"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome. †And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,14:34   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 24 2007,12:53)
What's happening over at UnderwhelmingEvidence right now is hilarious.

And that's all I'll say on the matter.

From the OE link from here, comes this classic mindphuc
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The inference that human intelligence is supernatural relative to the universe it observes and measures brings us to the conclusion that intelligent design, in contradiction to what it says, deals with the supernatural, just as science in general. Human intelligence, after all, is the driving force behind both activities, and evidently behind all activities.


Oh my, oh my....

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L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

   
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,14:40   

Quote (Faid @ Jan. 24 2007,14:31)
Haha dude give me a break, you know how hard it is to get the taste of beer off one's nose?

It depends on how long your tongue is.

Edited by Dr.GH on Jan. 24 2007,14:43

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,14:42   



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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,14:48   

It is hard to find good word salad since the invention of modern antipsychotic meds.  I had dinner back in 1978 with a group of anthropologists and psychiartists (and one fellow who was both) and a linguist who had been studying word salad complained that her data sources were all getting "better."

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,14:59   

TroutMac (Me / Arden) tardfest:

http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe....ent-841

 
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Peer, Schmeer
TRoutMac | Wed, 2007-01-24 20:42
I'd like to know who is the final arbiter of what should or should not be considered a "peer review" paper? And where does this person's biases lie?

Seriously, I realize there is no single person with such responsibility. I trust the point of this rhetorical question is understood, nonetheless.

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Wooo!

*high fives self*

I mean, who's to say what constitutes being a surgeon? Where do this "surgeon's" biases lie? Let old TroutyMac operate on you. You'll still have some CSI left at the end.

*grabs egg-whisk enthusiastically*

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:01   

Says TRoutMac:    
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I'd like to know who is the final arbiter of what should or should not be considered a "peer review" paper? And where does this person's biases lie?

Seriously, I realize there is no single person with such responsibility. I trust the point of this rhetorical question is understood, nonetheless.

By golly, he's onto something.  In my opinion, everything I agree with is peer-reviewed (including this post), and everything I disagree with isn't.  My opinion on this is as good as anyone else's, right?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:03   

the TARD LIBERTATION FRONT might be thinking of a coup..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1990#comment-87172

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DaveScot

01/24/2007

3:48 pm
Mike

I knew I should have limited comments to just those whoíve served in my beloved corps. Frankly, if you havenít served in the military yourself I donít think you deserve an opinion. Put that in your bunched up panties and sit on them.


Oh how I'll laugh when BLipey twats him.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:09   

on the same thread Joseph says:
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Beef up the R&D for urban warfare and get the stuff out to the field.

Why not type it out in full Joseph? Research and Design. Yeah, I wonder how many ID weapons researchers there are? Same number of ID scientists I suspect.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:12   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 24 2007,15:09)
on the same thread Joseph says:
 
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Beef up the R&D for urban warfare and get the stuff out to the field.

Why not type it out in full Joseph? Research and Design. Yeah, I wonder how many ID weapons researchers there are? Same number of ID scientists I suspect.

It's Rhetoric & Deception.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:21   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 24 2007,22:03)
the TARD LIBERTATION FRONT might be thinking of a coup..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1990#comment-87172

 
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DaveScot

01/24/2007

3:48 pm
Mike

I knew I should have limited comments to just those whoíve served in my beloved corps. Frankly, if you havenít served in the military yourself I donít think you deserve an opinion. Put that in your bunched up panties and sit on them.


Oh how I'll laugh when BLipey twats him.

First time I read that, I thought it said "just those whoíve served in my beloved corpse."  That wasn't a nice thought.

Comments have been closed and "disappeared."

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:23   

Patrick:
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Even though that is Discovery's stance the US school system is set up where local school boards have control over their curriculum. Even if ID theorists disagree with the proposed content people are free to implement whatever they want...just beware of the ACLU.
And that pesky 1st Amendment.
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If your opponent tries to make the asinine argument that ID proponents are trying to force ID onto others using the court system just ask this: name the case where the ID proponents are NOT the defendants.
Apparently Patrick has never heard of Scopes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:25   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 24 2007,15:03)
the TARD LIBERTATION FRONT might be thinking of a coup..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1990#comment-87172

† †
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DaveScot

01/24/2007

3:48 pm
Mike

I knew I should have limited comments to just those whoíve served in my beloved corps. Frankly, if you havenít served in the military yourself I donít think you deserve an opinion. Put that in your bunched up panties and sit on them.


Oh how I'll laugh when BLipey twats him.

Well, it all has disappeared down the memory hole and comments have been shut off. †Here is the comment that got Dave all torqued.
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Mike Dunford

Iíve been trying to cool off since I read this, but I think Iím as cool as Iím going to get:
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In order to have an effective force in fighting guerilla and urban wars in Arab countries we need actual combat veterans seasoned in that type of warfare leading the unseasoned troops. Use your head, Jim. Now we have an effective force led by NCOs who know how to survive urban and guerilla wars in Arab countries. And Bush managed to build that force without losing 58,000 American lives as were sacrificed in Vietnam but rather limited the losses to 3,000. Use your head for something other than a place to put your hat, Jim. We needed a veteran ground combat force for the Middle Eastern theater. Now we have one. Now what happened to Russia in Afghanistan wonít happen to us.

OK. My wifeís in the box right now, and youíre suggesting that having troops out there is good because it gives us a better combat force? A lot of people have said a lot of really thoughtless and assinine things about the Iraq war, but that one just takes the cake. Itís dumb so many different ways that itís really, really hard to figure out where to start.

1) Even if I assume, for the sake of argument, that everything else is correct, we were already involved in a guerilla war when the Iraq war started. Believe it or not, but there really are troops in Afghanistan, and they are really - still - involved in regular and frequent combat ops. There just arenít as many of them and they arenít getting blown up as frequently. Actually, Iíve heard from quite a few people who have been deployed in both locations (including my wife) that they saw much more combat in Afghanistan than in Iraq.

2) When we started this war, as you point out, there werenít a lot of combat veterans in the force. Strangely, that didnít seem to have much of an adverse effect on how they did at the start.

3) A #### of a lot of the troops over there right now are 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th tour vets. Yet there doesnít seem to have been much of an increase in success, and certainly not much of a decrease in casualties, after the point when combat vets became common in deploying units.

4) The force right now is in a #### of a lot worse shape than it was three years ago. Pretty much everyone in the army who is career combat arms and enlisted prior to 03 has gone out more than once already. Many (particularly in the aviation community) are on 3rd or 4th tours. Divorce rates are up, and a lot of good people who ordinarily would have stayed in for 20+ are getting out with 15 or more years in - sacrificing pensions - because their marriages will be destroyed if they have to go out yet again. Thatís why weíve seen active duty 4-stars out in front of congress recently, begging for more troops and warning about long-term problems.

So try using your own head, would you?

EDIT: Added attribution.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:32   

Funny how he didn't limit comments to those who have seen combat?

Cheesypoof Dave made sure the avionics where okay or some-such..

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:34   

Dave:  
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Update: Due to the controversial nature of this and it being so off topic Iíve pulled the plug on the comments. Apologies to all those who contributed throughtful comments.

We all know that off-topic or controversial comments are simply not tolerated at UD.  Besides, the comments were just street theater, so Dave had to erase them to save a few kilobytes of precious hard drive space.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,15:36   

Mike Dunford's point by point debunking is class. Dave is probably comfort eating right now.

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