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argystokes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,00:40   

This is awesome.  Dave's biological gaffes are always my favorite.  This whole confusion on chromosomes vs chromatids ranks up there with when he said that eukaryotic DNA is a double helix, but bacterial DNA is circular.  Just when AFDave starts getting boring again, UD gets funnier.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,00:48   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1801#comment-77235

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Allen

it is virtually impossible in mammals

Do I detect a bit of backpeddling here?  

Surely you didn’t think I’d miss that “virtually” qualification did you?

What do you figure are the odds that a parthenogenetic mammal might slip through that crack you left open. Please support your estimate of the odds.




"Please support your estimate of the odds"? Pot - Kettle - Explanatory Filter...


Speaking of the EF, Dave wants all possibilities ruled out, no matter how unlikely. If they were only rigorous with the Explanatory Filter!

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,01:04   

Allen MacNeal uses the EF to disprove virgin birth?

well, if you lower the UPB a smote..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1801#comment-77239

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Tipler also calculates:

“Adding all these numbers gives about 60 billion people as the total number of people who have ever lived.”

By his own admission, all of those people were conceived the old fashioned way. That is, given all of the human beings that have ever existed on the planet (i.e. somewhere in the ballpark of 60 billion), by Tipler’s own calculation not one of them would have been expected to have arisen as the result of the extremely convoluted (and virtually biologically impossible) mechanism that he himself proposes.

In other words, the odds are:

60 billion/60 billion = 1/1 = 1 = 100% in favor of non-virgin birth of a male (minus 0.5/120 billion, to compensate for the probability that Tipler’s “magical” parthenogenesis actually occurred)

versus

1/120 billion in favor of virgin birth of a male

Honestly, I’ve never encountered a more skewed comparison of probabilities, and don’t expect to again (outside of this website, that is)



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Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,01:14   

More from freshman bio at Tard University:

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Joseph

I’ll see your definition of diploid from “about.com” and raise you these:

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/ghr/glossary/diploid

http://www.genome.gov/glossary.cfm?key=diploid

http://anthro.palomar.edu/biobasis/glossary.htm

http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Glossary/Glossary.cfm?TermEnglish=diploid

http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/biobk/BioBookglossD.html

http://www.stanford.edu/group/hopes/sttools/gloss/d.html

http://worms.zoology.wisc.edu/frogs/glossary.html#D

http://www.ggc.org/glossary.htm

http://webpages.charter.net/teefile/biognomen/glossary.html

http://naturalsciences.sdsu.edu/classes/lab2.5/glossary.html

This is just a small sampling of definitions of “diploid” which exclude the requirement that paired chromosomes are one copy from each parent.

I arranged a googlefight to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

I win handily. There are far more glossaries that contain the word diploid without the word parent (by 2:1 margin) than there are glossaries that contain both diploid and parent. Subtract the number on the left from the number on the right to get the number of glossaries without parent in it.


Remember the big f#ck-off google fight Kepler and Galileo set up between the Ptolemaic and Copernican systems?  And how could anyone forget the giant Einstein-Lorentz Google showdown?  Ahhh, paradigm shifts...

Not that this is actually about the theory or anything, just matters of fact.  I mean, WTF is this supposed to prove?  I guess that a rational person just might do this to show that they were reasonably mistaken about something.  But DT still seems to be trying to reargue the point.  (And yes, although the definitions he found (frantically searching the Web until 1:19 am) don't mention the word "parents," the meaning can be inferred pretty clearly from most of them).

As for the whole virgin birth thing which started this mess: DT (and now Dembski) seem, ironically, to be arguing that Jesus was just a random mutation event, of an extremely improbable kind.  How's that law of the conservation of information treatin' you?  The Messiah just doesn't need to have so much CSI?

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,01:27   

Gil Dodgen just posted a thread at UD entitled Priceless Entertainment -- For Free!

He might as well have been referring to Diploid Dave's thread.

Meanwhile, the frantic Googling continues:
 
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Joseph

I’ll see your definition of diploid from “about.com” and raise you these:

<ten links appeared here>

This is just a small sampling of definitions of “diploid” which exclude the requirement that paired chromosomes are one copy from each parent.

I arranged two googlefights to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

Add up the two searches with parent and parents and subtract from the search without either. The result is about an even match with a marginal lead in your favor. However, since it’s likely that many glossaries will contain the word parent or parents not contained within the definition of diploid I think that swings it back in my favor but that’s just conjecture.

Comment by DaveScot — November 22, 2006 @ 1:19 am

Now Davey may be a few neurons shy of a quorum, but even he must realize that the absence of the word "parent" in a definition hardly excuses his error.

The hole gets deeper, and Davey keeps desperately digging...

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,01:33   

Tardiculous

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..I’m(DT) still waiting for those odds… nobody said virgin birth in humans was common. In fact there’s only one claim of it in history. Our purpose here is only to determine if it is possible or not. You’ve already hedged in saying it’s virtually impossible which is really an admission that it is indeed possible but improbable.



One virgin Birth?

Shiva H. Krishnu .........DT shows his ignorance of History as well as the Impossible.

Listen up DT .....the Virgin Birth is a MYTH borrowed from Pagan mythology. Look it up. There were literally 100's of 'Virgin Births' in ancient history.

Here is a little giggle to get you going.

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Insurance to cover a virgin birth
In June 2006, it was revealed that a British insurer, britishinsurance.com, had provided a £1 million insurance policy to three Scottish women to provide cover in the event of one of them having a virgin birth. The payout was to cover the costs of bringing up the Christ. The policy was cancelled following pressure from the Catholic Church. [2].


while MacNeill indulges in a little word play

And yes, I’ve read Davison’s semi-meiotic hypothesis

Semiotics for Beginners

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,01:44   

Holy crap!  It gets even better.  Davey went back and edited his comment to make it look less ridiculous.  Compare the DaveTard quote as it appears in Altabin's comment versus mine:

DaveTard, from Altabin's comment:
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I arranged a googlefight to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

I win handily. There are far more glossaries that contain the word diploid without the word parent (by 2:1 margin) than there are glossaries that contain both diploid and parent. Subtract the number on the left from the number on the right to get the number of glossaries without parent in it.


DaveTard, from my preceding comment:
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I arranged two googlefights to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

Add up the two searches with parent and parents and subtract from the search without either. The result is about an even match with a marginal lead in your favor. However, since it’s likely that many glossaries will contain the word parent or parents not contained within the definition of diploid I think that swings it back in my favor but that’s just conjecture.

Comment by DaveScot — November 22, 2006 @ 1:19 am


Attaboy, Dave!  Now maybe you should sneak back and edit the original post.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,01:49   

Quote (keiths @ Nov. 22 2006,01:44)
Holy crap!  It gets even better.  Davey went back and edited his comment to make it look less ridiculous.  Compare the DaveTard quote as it appears in Altabin's comment versus mine:

DaveTard, from Altabin's comment:
 
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I arranged a googlefight to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

I win handily. There are far more glossaries that contain the word diploid without the word parent (by 2:1 margin) than there are glossaries that contain both diploid and parent. Subtract the number on the left from the number on the right to get the number of glossaries without parent in it.


DaveTard, from my preceding comment:
 
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I arranged two googlefights to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

Add up the two searches with parent and parents and subtract from the search without either. The result is about an even match with a marginal lead in your favor. However, since it’s likely that many glossaries will contain the word parent or parents not contained within the definition of diploid I think that swings it back in my favor but that’s just conjecture.

Comment by DaveScot — November 22, 2006 @ 1:19 am


Attaboy, Dave!  Now maybe you should sneak back and edit the original post.

Surprise surprise...

EGO: Big
Intellect: Tiny

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,02:01   

Classic!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,02:41   

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

First DT confuses chromosomes with chromatids. Then, when he gets smacked by HodorH (and Joseph, for crying out loud), he responds with a Google fight with the words diploid and ...PARENT! Not homologous, not "set of chromosomes", but parent! Because, you know, every biological definition should have a "Davetard Appendix", where every "sciency" term in it is itself defined, again and again, untill only reeely small words are used...
In his last post, Allen has the patience to take Lil'Dave, step by tiny step, through the whole process. It won't help, I'm afraid; Dave will just do a Google search for "diploid" and "centriole" or "microtubuline" or something, find no definitions containing both, and declare that he "wins handily". Poor guy.

(Dave, I know you're reading this. Please, go read a book or something because seriously, you really, really SUCK at this. It's a shame to have such a humongous IQ put to waste...   :D  )

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"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,03:05   

Aaand Dave bows out:
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How do you think meiosis evolved? Note I’m trying to conform to convention in calling 2n cells haploid if they don’t have two parents and making the distinction with 1n,2c to indicate there are really twice the number of chromosomes to work with. I’m still confused by the convention and probably got it wrong.


You gotta hand it to him, though. His logic finally overcame his pride. Granted, the fact that he would be ridiculed in front of his peers at UD if he insisted probably played a part, but still.
I mean, imagine if AFDave was in his place: 6 months from now, he'd still snap remarks about how he "beat us down on that haploid issue".  :D

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A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:

"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,03:45   

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I’m still confused by the convention and probably got it wrong.

Yet the original post still ends with this:
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Update 2: The preponderance of literature calls the intermediate cells 1N,2C. This appears to be just semantics. The cells contain 1n unique chromosomes but 2n total chromosomes. I can’t find a definition of “diploid” anywhere that says two identical paired chromosomes only counts as one chromosome. The situation is 23 paired chromosomes that are 100% homozygous. It’s still diploid except perhaps to a pedant.

C'mon, brave boy, how about an Update 3?  I'll even write it for you if you find it too painful:
"I was wrong about the meaning of 'diploid'.  Thank you to Allen, Joseph, and all of the others who pointed out my mistake.  Also, I sincerely apologize for calling Allen MacNeill a 'pedant'."

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,04:40   

In other exciting news: The source of "priceless entertainment" on that other thread seems to boil down to: "Haha, if that stupid darwinist thought it would be that easy to make us blow our cover, he was sorely mistaken!"


Ooooookaaaaayyy...  ???

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,05:24   

People who read DaveScot's thread on Paul Meyers shouldn't neglect the post just below that, where non other than William A. Dembski asks for help from the team of crack researchers gathered on Uncommon Descent:
       
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Junk DNA that isn’t
by William Dembski on November 21st, 2006 · 15 Comments

I suspect that the “junk DNA” hypothesis was originally made on explicitly Darwinian grounds. Can someone provide chapter and verse? Clearly, in the absence of the Darwinian interpretation, the default assumption would have been that repetitive nucleotide sequences must have some unknown function.

I would think that anyone who makes his living criticizing evolution should know something about the topic before he opens his mouth.  Apparently that's only true in non-Evangelical circles.

I would also think that in the presence of Darwinian interpretation, the default assumption would have been that repetitive nucleotide sequences must have some unknown function else they would have been attrited by mutations long ago.  I think Dembsk is missing a whole new line of whinging here.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,06:41   

Joseph rubs Diploid Dave's face in it (emphasis his):
 
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Dave,

Did you read the definition in the first link you provided?

The normal number of chromosomes in a somatic cell; in humans, 46 chromosomes (22 pairs of autosomes and two sex chromosomes)

Somatic cells Dave.

Link 2:

The number of chromosomes in most cells except the gametes. In humans, the diploid number is 46.

link 3:

the full component of chromosomes normally found in somatic cells. In humans, the number is 46.

I rest my case with my comment #18

Comment by Joseph — November 22, 2006 @ 7:21 am

LOL.

Somatic cells, Dave.  Got it?  Write that down.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,06:48   

WAD pleads for something special-
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Clearly, in the absence of the Darwinian interpretation, the default assumption would have been that repetitive nucleotide sequences must have some unknown function.


Lets see....uh.....the 'virgin birth' genes perhaps?

oh oh ..ask me ask me.........its the left over dust/junk from the creationist abiogenesis.

Howabout the resurection gene?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,06:53   

Quote (keiths @ Nov. 22 2006,00:29)
Instead, he's off frantically Googling for some obscure reference that supports his position that gravity is the strongest force...


Sniff. Good times.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,07:24   

DT just keep in mind if gravity was suddenly promoted to the stongest force in the Universe every atomic bond in your body would be ripped apart instantly and the whole universe would form a black hole the size of an orange.


Perhaps you should update your CV from autodidact with an IQ measured by corn cob to ..........boy in charge of human body who has never read instructions on how to use brain.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,07:37   

Quote (k.e @ Nov. 22 2006,07:24)
DT just keep in mind if gravity was suddenly promoted to the stongest force in the Universe every atomic bond in your body would be ripped apart instantly and the whole universe would form a black hole the size of an orange.


The reason we don't see large concentrations of electrical charge is that the electromagnetic force is so great that charges become rapidly equalized.

A proton-star* the size of a neutron-star would exert far more electromagnetic force than gravitational force. You wouldn't want to be around for the equalization process to occur in a proton-star. The mutual repulsion of the protons, far exceeding that of gravity, would rip the  star apart, while nearby objects would be rent of their electrons.

(* Technically, all normal stars are proton-stars but the plasma includes an approximately equal number of protons and electrons. Even then, there are vast electrical fields generated as the plasma is mixed by the core furnace. We are here speaking of a large mass of pure protons.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,09:02   

Own Goal O'Leary Scribbles

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O'Leary  // Nov 22nd 2006 at 7:26 am

Esssentially, the Darwinists cannot find enough fundie whackos to discredit the idea of design in nature, so they are compelled to impersonate them.


Is it me, or did Own Goal O'Leary just call anyone trying to sneak ID into science classes a "fundie whacko"?

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,09:15   

Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha

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Esssentially, the Darwinists cannot find enough fundie whackos to discredit the idea of design in nature, so they are compelled to impersonate them.


I nominate that statement for the greatest all time funiest ID statement YET.

D'OLlar ...no matter HOW HARD WE TRY we just could not impersonate THAT.

AFD doesn't even come close.

Dave Tard ...hmmmmmmm...is he impersonating a whacko whacko..fundy or otherwise?

Time for a tune. (sorry for the repeat)

Sung to The Major General's Song from Gilbert and Sullivan's The Pirates of Penzance


I am the very model of a dopey Design-o General
I've calculated vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the probability of every possibility
from fallacy to outcome, I am quite delusional
I 'm very well acquainted too with matters scientifical,
I understand creations, both the simple and complexical,
About Mt Rushmore I'm teeming with a lot o' news
­With many cheerful facts about the usefulness of creo views.

With many cheerful facts about the usefulness of creo views;
With many cheerful facts about the usefulness of creo views;
With many cheerful facts about the  usefulness of
creosote spews


I'm very good at banning and dissing all the rest of you,
I know the scientific pages of magazines american;
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a dopey Design-o General


In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He is the very model of a dopey Design-o General


I know our constitution and judged'over Activists
I didactically dally in fundamental politics
I quote unknown authors of fictional stupidty
I give lessons growing mushrooms in basements very rapidly
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a dopey Design-o General.


In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He is the very model of a dopey Design-o General


In fact, when I know what is meant by 'RNA' and 'DNA,'
When I can tell at sight a Mountain from a Statue-a,
When such affairs as genes and springing them willy-nilly,
And when I know precisely what is meant by 'biology,'
When I have learnt what progress has been made in modern skulduggery
When I know more of tactics than a novice in thuggery;
In short, when I've a smattering of genetical humbuggery
You'll say a better dopey Design-o General had never sat a  blog-gery.. -

chorus

For my biology knowledge, though I'm sucky and abdury,
Has only been brought down to the beginning of last century;
But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a dopey Design-o General.


But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He is the very model of a dopey Design-o General!


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,09:29   

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I arranged a googlefight to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

I win handily. There are far more glossaries that contain the word diploid without the word parent (by 2:1 margin) than there are glossaries that contain both diploid and parent. Subtract the number on the left from the number on the right to get the number of glossaries without parent in it.


Good one Dave. But I'm confused.

I thought marines were tough.

I guess that also shows that Dembski isn't smart.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,09:35   

"Peer review bad.

GoogleFight good."


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,09:49   

PZ gets in on the fun:
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This is all just God of the Gaps guesswork, in which gods are tucked away in the empty spaces in our knowledge. In this case, those empty spaces are magnified by the inclusion of DaveScot's personal ignorance…making his god a truly great god.


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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,10:05   

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In this case, those empty spaces are magnified by the inclusion of DaveScot's personal ignorance…making his god a truly great god.


Magnified empty spaces?....... aren't they filled with omnipotent homo bunnies all having virgin births otherwise known as fark matter .....which makes up 70% of the known universe!

It's true .... google it.

Maybe DT thinks g$d is goog.

This is even better than DT's UDoJ moment.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,10:32   

Quote (keiths @ Nov. 22 2006,04:45)
I'll even write it for you if you find it too painful:
"I was wrong about the meaning of 'diploid'.  Thank you to Allen, Joseph, and all of the others who pointed out my mistake.  Also, I sincerely apologize for calling Allen MacNeill a 'pedant'."

If he did this, the issue would immediately go away. So he doesn't, because the ID creationists seem to instinctually do whatever will drag my entertainment out the longest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,10:35   

It's about time that you owned up to the fact that everyone over at UD is really just one of your sock-puppets, Steve.

Nobody could be this funny by accident.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,10:37   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 22 2006,10:32)
 
Quote (keiths @ Nov. 22 2006,04:45)
I'll even write it for you if you find it too painful:
"I was wrong about the meaning of 'diploid'.  Thank you to Allen, Joseph, and all of the others who pointed out my mistake.  Also, I sincerely apologize for calling Allen MacNeill a 'pedant'."

If he did this, the issue would immediately go away. So he doesn't, because the ID creationists seem to instinctually do whatever will drag my entertainment out the longest.


And he might even start the process of learning.

Me? I always try to learn from my mistakes. And from the plentitude, I have acquired quite an education thereby.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,10:47   

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I'll even write it for you if you find it too painful:
"I was wrong about the meaning of 'diploid'.  Thank you to Allen, Joseph, and all of the others who pointed out my mistake.  Also, I sincerely apologize for calling Allen MacNeill a 'pedant'."

If he did this, the issue would immediately go away. So he doesn't, because the ID creationists seem to instinctually do whatever will drag my entertainment out the longest.


And he might even start the process of learning.

Me? I always try to learn from my mistakes. And from the plentitude, I have acquired quite an education thereby.

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....p=39582

Not many learning opportunities..

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,11:04   

Zachriel on DT's hubris and potential mollification

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And he might even start the process of learning.


WHAT?...and admit g$d is a gap?

I'll alpha male your ass, Homo! DT

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