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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,13:33   

The protocol should be post them here, and Steve promotes the good ones?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,16:29   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1781#comment-75995

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4. DaveScot // Nov 14th 2006 at 4:31 pm

I was curious a year or two ago about why regeneration was lost in mammals since it seems like it would be a deucedly handy thing to have as a survival tool. I googled around for an explanation and all I found was some speculation that along with the ability to regenerate lost parts comes a far higher risk of tumors. AFAIK all species that can regenerate lost parts are cold blooded, reproduce by laying lots of eggs (so they can afford to lose more offspring), and indeed are highly susceptable to tumors. Of course like most evolutionary narratives based on chance & necessity thereís no way to confirm it. Itís just one tough break after another trying to tease real answers out of a process that is unpredictable, unrepeatable, and uncontemporary.

Is uncomtemporary a word? It fit so well I just couldnít resist.  

Comment by DaveScot ó November 14, 2006 @ 4:31 pm



http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/tales_of_the_x_mice/

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The good news is that the initial studies have found that the genes responsible for the MRL mouse's predilection for autoimmune diseases are different than the ones involved in fast healing; there isn't a horrible trade-off, where better recovery from heart attacks means one is likely to come down with lupus (there are almost certainly other trade-offs, however; for instance, the MRL mouse exhibits a greater inflammation response to injury). The bad news? At least 20 different genes are involved in the regeneration ability of the MRL mouse. This is a very complex characteristic, not one we're going to figure out how to turn on in ourselves next week.


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,18:54   



Splitters!

I don't see any reason to split the thread. We've been posting the Deleted by UD stuff here since the thread's inception, so let's just keep doing that. If you want, make a cool graphic to accompany such posts.

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,21:46   

Howabout a separate clean thread that just has links pointing to the actual censored posts on UD in this thread?

Or even better some way of coloring/highlighting the UD deleted post in this thread.

It's my right as an AtBCist to have that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,23:01   

It's nice to have a rescource that points to all the high level tard, in one place..

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,01:09   

Oh deary me..

Davetard tries to poison the well...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1777#comment-76059

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Itís British. Allenís attitude handily explains why there was a British Empire but no Scottish Empire, eh? †


Let me explain, with the aid of my crayons..



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,04:00   

Apparently, DaveScotsman has been writhing for days on end over Allen MacNeill's previous posts: † † †
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94. DaveScot // Nov 15th 2006 at 1:25 am

A zen buddhist, quaker, fencing enthusiast, libertarian, and last but not least a true Scotsman. And where does he choose to liveÖ New York State, the most heavily taxed, socialistic, gun-grabbing, entitlement giving, big government state in the union. Chosen home of the Clintonistas for just those reasons...

(The rare "True Scotsman" fallacy - contra the "No true Scotsman" fallacy).
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Allenís attitude handily explains why there was a British Empire but no Scottish Empire, eh?

Yes. †In the same sense that ID "explains" biological complexity and diversity: by means of the "No true DaveScotsman" fallacy.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,04:22   

Salvador vs Reality, Round 3857.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,06:19   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 15 2006,04:22)
Salvador vs Reality, Round 3857.


scordova
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I have a personal philosophy of encouraging people to state whatís on their mind.


Yeah, right. As if Uncommon Descent encourages open debate.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,07:33   

DaveScot
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Allenís attitude handily explains why there was a British Empire but no Scottish Empire, eh?


Um, Scotland is part of Britain. The first King of Great Britain, James I, was the King of Scotland, James VI. The Scots were crucial to British imperial expansion.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,08:21   

For you juxtaposed quote fans:

Salvador, after deleting a post by 'zapatero':
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Zap,

I was a little annoyed since I asked you to wait till I got back to this thread. You kept right on posting before I came back. Remember, youíre here at our invitation.

In any case, I do apologize to you for the rough treatment.

Now, letís do this in pieces, I donít want long responses where you fill up your posts with so many falsehoods and where Iíll have to spend 10 pages cleaning them up. In otherwords I donít want you to do a Gish Gallop. If you do that, automatic delection. Ok?

Your questions might be valuable to the readers, but if sense you going into a Chewbacca Defense of Avida or doing a Gish Gallop are argumentum ad nauseam, Iím sorry your questions and objections will just be deleted.

So for starters, state your objection again about the fact that the host computer running the simulation effectively models a replication process. And then Iíll respond. Keep your assertion about the length of this comment please.

Finally if I pose a question to you, and you donít ignore it, I will delete any subesequent participation on this thread until you answer. Got it? Your here at my invitation, remember that.

In any case, Iím sorry my treat of you was a little bruskÖ

Salvador

Comment by scordova ó July 17, 2006 @ 12:44 pm


Salvador:
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I have a personal philosophy of encouraging people to state whatís on their mind.


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,08:47   

just for clarity:


  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,08:47   

Classic DaveTard -- he's incapable of defeating someone's ideas, so he bans them and tars him with his crude Ann Coulter shtick.

 
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94. DaveScot // Nov 15th 2006 at 1:25 am

A zen buddhist, quaker, fencing enthusiast, libertarian, and last but not least a true Scotsman. And where does he choose to liveÖ New York State, the most heavily taxed, socialistic, gun-grabbing, entitlement giving, big government state in the union. Chosen home of the Clintonistas for just those reasons...


Let's run down the list of DaveTard boogiemen:

Weird religion? Check.
Socialism? Check.
Anti-gun? Check.
Welfare? Check.
The Clintons? Check.

What Dave really wants you to hear:

"homo, homo, homo, homo, homo!"

Glad to hear it's all about the science, Dave.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,09:02   

Sal the enchanted child of the trickster Anansi doesn't know if he's meeting or deleting.

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Trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others and who is always duped himself. He wills nothing consciously. At all times he is constrained to behave as he does from impulses over which he has no control. He knows neither good nor evil yet he is responsible for both. He possesses no values, moral or social, is at the mercy of his passions and appetites, yet through his actions all values come into being.


Huge list of stories here.

Jamaica Anansi Stories

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,09:29   

Davescot tries out that confusing, passive-aggressive "ID is not religion except you say it is so you must hate Jews" gambit:

   
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An interesting scenario arises from discrimination in the hiring of ID advocates. If ID is religious then any discrimination is quite illegal in the United States and if proven could cost the employer dearly in a civil rights lawsuit. Someone ought to test the waters there citing the Dover decision as the basis for ID being a religious belief. Anyone who applies for a position, is turned down, and subsequently found out his views on ID were even mentioned by anyone involved in the hiring decision should have a case. Iíd love to watch as the defense turns around and desperately tries to show that ID is not a religious belief but rather a scientific one and therefore not protected against discrimination. The hostile work environment defense would then play particularly badly. Imagine if it were a Jew instead of an ID advocate. If ID is religion in the eyes of the law then itís essentially the same as saying in your defense ďYour honor, hiring a Jew would create a hostile work environment because our staff frowns upon Jews.Ē

It's inconceivable to me that DT really puts forward this argument sincerely.  It's just to whip up the troops; look guys, this is all part of the "War on Krischuns," even though ID isn't really about JC at all.

Yes, a Jew would be equally unacceptable at a public school or university IF IF IF he/she started making authoritative statements in the classroom about science/archaeology/whatever that were in fact veiled apologetics for his/her religion.  There's a subtle distinction here -- too subtle, apparently -- between what people are and what they do.  No one wants to ban even the craziest God-botherer from the classroom - only those who tell anatomy students that Jesus made the little pancreas.  And yes, Dave, that's all ID is, in the end -- and somewhere, you know that's true.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,09:39   

OH HAPPY DAY!

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Be careful what you wish for. If you get your wish you might make ID advocates a protected species


The legal concept is protected class. Please please please let this be a speciation event. No more reproduction between us.

*crosses fingers*

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,09:45   

Quote (keiths @ Nov. 15 2006,09:21)
For you juxtaposed quote fans:

Salvador, after deleting a post by 'zapatero':
   
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Zap,

I was a little annoyed since I asked you to wait till I got back to this thread. You kept right on posting before I came back. Remember, youíre here at our invitation.

In any case, I do apologize to you for the rough treatment.

Now, letís do this in pieces, I donít want long responses where you fill up your posts with so many falsehoods and where Iíll have to spend 10 pages cleaning them up. In otherwords I donít want you to do a Gish Gallop. If you do that, automatic delection. Ok?

Your questions might be valuable to the readers, but if sense you going into a Chewbacca Defense of Avida or doing a Gish Gallop are argumentum ad nauseam, Iím sorry your questions and objections will just be deleted.

So for starters, state your objection again about the fact that the host computer running the simulation effectively models a replication process. And then Iíll respond. Keep your assertion about the length of this comment please.

Finally if I pose a question to you, and you donít ignore it, I will delete any subesequent participation on this thread until you answer. Got it? Your here at my invitation, remember that.

In any case, Iím sorry my treat of you was a little bruskÖ

Salvador

Comment by scordova ó July 17, 2006 @ 12:44 pm

I can't honestly post my reaction here, or I'd never have the moral cred to moderate harsh and abusive language again.

It reminds me of this jerk named Den Beste who wrote a whole page of rules about how to write him emails. (Like Salvador, Den Beste was a terrible writer, but for different reasons. He would just go on, and on, and on, every thought he ever had on the topic. He couldn't write 'have a nice day' in under 400 words. Now that I think about it, there's another parallel with Cordova: Den Beste is one of those (minority of) engineers who think they know everything and are brilliant analysts. In Den Beste's case, he became an avid supporter of the Iraq war and still maintains that it was a good thing, which is kind of like thinking, at this point, that ID is a revolutionary science with lots of potential. )

 
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Finally if I pose a question to you, and you donít ignore it, I will delete any subesequent participation on this thread until you answer. Got it?


He must have meant "and you ignore it", because as written, it makes no sense.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,09:56   

Quote (Altabin @ Nov. 15 2006,10:29)
Davescot tries out that confusing, passive-aggressive "ID is not religion except you say it is so you must hate Jews" gambit:

     
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An interesting scenario arises from discrimination in the hiring of ID advocates. If ID is religious then any discrimination is quite illegal in the United States and if proven could cost the employer dearly in a civil rights lawsuit. Someone ought to test the waters there citing the Dover decision as the basis for ID being a religious belief. Anyone who applies for a position, is turned down, and subsequently found out his views on ID were even mentioned by anyone involved in the hiring decision should have a case. Iíd love to watch as the defense turns around and desperately tries to show that ID is not a religious belief but rather a scientific one and therefore not protected against discrimination. The hostile work environment defense would then play particularly badly. Imagine if it were a Jew instead of an ID advocate. If ID is religion in the eyes of the law then itís essentially the same as saying in your defense ďYour honor, hiring a Jew would create a hostile work environment because our staff frowns upon Jews.Ē

It's inconceivable to me that DT really puts forward this argument sincerely.  It's just to whip up the troops; look guys, this is all part of the "War on Krischuns," even though ID isn't really about JC at all.

Yes, a Jew would be equally unacceptable at a public school or university IF IF IF he/she started making authoritative statements in the classroom about science/archaeology/whatever that were in fact veiled apologetics for his/her religion.  There's a subtle distinction here -- too subtle, apparently -- between what people are and what they do.  No one wants to ban even the craziest God-botherer from the classroom - only those who tell anatomy students that Jesus made the little pancreas.  And yes, Dave, that's all ID is, in the end -- and somewhere, you know that's true.

LOL

Judge: I'll hear opening arguments now.
Davetard: Your Honor (unless you were appointed by Beel Cleenton), may it please the court to hear that my client Larry Falafelman has been wrongfully fired from his job as an ambulance driver.
Judge: Why was he fired?
Davetard: According to his religious beliefs, he is required to drive in a straight line to his destination, even if that means driving through walls and creeks and the woods.
Judge: Your client sounds like a retard and so do you. I find you contemptible.



   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,10:07   

DaveScot

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All Iím asking for is a positive demonstration that unintelligent processes can produce the complex nanometer scale machinery found in living cells.


Intelligent Design is usually an expression of God-of-the-Gaps bolstered with a large dose incredulity. It is something to point out that the boundaries of the unexplained in biology have been pushed back billions of years to the very beginnings of cellular life (and even that boundary keeps being pushed back). Arguments about cellular machinery, flagellum, abiogenesis, etc. show the very weakness of Intelligent Design.

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Meanwhile, Joseph says

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I originated a thread concerning how NH is not evidence for Common Descent and was in fact first used as evidence for Common Design.


And yet, no matter how many times I ask he still can't explain what constitutes a nested hierarchy or how to determine from independently derived traits the existence of a nested hierarchy. He won't even tell us if the twigs on a tree constitute a nested hierarchy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,10:12   

Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 15 2006,07:33)

The most excellent Zachriel said: "The first King of Great Britain, James I, was the King of Scotland, James VI."


Actually the Kingdom of Great Britain only came into existence with the Act of Union in 1707.  King James VI of Scotland simply became James I of England as well on his accession to the English Throne in 1603.  The United Kingdom, of course, came later, 1801 I think.

I'll go back to lurking now, but I just wanted to say that this thread is hilarious and you all do great work pricking the pomposity of the ID camp.  Thank you.

Cheerio

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,10:18   

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An interesting scenario arises from discrimination in the hiring of ID advocates. If ID is religious then any discrimination is quite illegal in the United States and if proven could cost the employer dearly in a civil rights lawsuit. Someone ought to test the waters there citing the Dover decision as the basis for ID being a religious belief. Anyone who applies for a position, is turned down, and subsequently found out his views on ID were even mentioned by anyone involved in the hiring decision should have a case. Iíd love to watch as the defense turns around and desperately tries to show that ID is not a religious belief but rather a scientific one and therefore not protected against discrimination. The hostile work environment defense would then play particularly badly. Imagine if it were a Jew instead of an ID advocate. If ID is religion in the eyes of the law then itís essentially the same as saying in your defense ďYour honor, hiring a Jew would create a hostile work environment because our staff frowns upon Jews.Ē


[my boldfacing]

Good lord. DaveTard must be having a bad morning. This is such a befuddled jumble of cognitive dissonance it's hard to even keep it in focus. What the fuck is his point here?

DT seems to be trying to keep one foot in the "anti-ID is religious oppression" camp to keep the rubes happy, while he's trying just as hard to keep the other foot in the "but ID isn't religion, mind you" camp. It's sort of "ID isn't religion, but you're anti-Christian if you think it is."

So what is DT's point? Well, that ID is science, not religion, but if you don't hire an ID professor it's discrimination against, what, different scientific views? What, is discrimination against having particular scientific delusions supposedly illegal?

So does DT think that the next Sternberg should start crying religious discrimination? Isn't that the opposite of their official line? Huh?

And DT is indeed also crudely trying to associate anti-ID and anti-Semitism, even tho the vast majority of ID advocates are evangelical Christians, most of whom probably think Jews are a bunch of liberals who are all going to he11.

It's all completely ridiculous, and it shows that happily, our Dave Tard hasn't learned a thing from Dover OR the crash-and-burn of the GOP last week. It's reassuring to know that DaveTard doesn't have any better ideas than this.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,10:32   

Quote (huwp @ Nov. 15 2006,10:12)
Actually the Kingdom of Great Britain only came into existence with the Act of Union in 1707...

Thank's the for the clarification. Though the dynastic union occurred with James, and the crown was often referred to as the monarchy of Great Britain, the political union came only later.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,10:40   

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It's sort of "ID isn't religion, but you're anti-Christian if you think it is."

I believe the precise argument is "ID isn't religion, but you're anti-Semitic if you think it isn't."

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,10:44   

Simple Springer sez:

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All Iím asking for is a positive demonstration that unintelligent processes can produce the complex nanometer scale machinery found in living cells.


Sorry I'd like to accomodate but I have this thing about doing it in public (if I know someone is watching) on the other hand that hasn't stopped me from being sprung in flagrante ......at least that's what she said her name was.

So Davetard my best advice is to head down to the zoo and observe RM+NS through sexual reproduction in action.

If the animals don't comply a box of chocolats and a Barry White CD might help.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,11:01   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 15 2006,10:18)
DT seems to be trying to keep one foot in the "anti-ID is religious oppression" camp to keep the rubes happy, while he's trying just as hard to keep the other foot in the "but ID isn't religion, mind you" camp. It's sort of "ID isn't religion, but you're anti-Christian if you think it is."

I can't help but thinking I've seen this line of reasoning somewhere else before. But, where? †Oh, yeah......



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Pee-wee: I wouldn't sell my bike for all the money in the world. Not for a hundred million, billion, trillion dollars!
Francis: Then you're crazy!
Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Francis: You're a nerd!
Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Francis: You're an idiot!
Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Pee-Wee, Francis: I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? (Pee-Wee): Infinity!
Francis: No, I'm not.
Francis, Pee-Wee: You are! No way! Knock it off! Cut it out!
Francis: Shut up, Pee-Wee!
Pee-wee: Why don't you make me.
Francis: You make me!
Pee-wee: Because. I don't make monkeys, I just train 'em.
Francis: Pee-Wee listen to reason.
[Pee-Wee cuffs his hand around his ear in a listening motion]
Francis: Pee-Wee!
Pee-wee: Sh! I'm listening to reason.
Francis: Pee-Wee!
Pee-wee: That's my name, don't wear it out.


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,11:02   

First of all, does DaveTard suppose that belief in ID is not protected from discriminatory practices in the workplace? †Of course it is, and if they could prove that anyone had been fired (for instance) for believing in ID they'd be suing right now.

Kitzmiller was about discriminatory governmental actions, wherein one religious viewpoint is taught. †The tard could argue that he wasn't talking about that, but of course the teaching of, or funding religious ideas like, ID is the only point to ID. †And the lack of any science behind ID leads to the reaction where they claim that their "work" is discriminated against for reasons other than that it is straight apologetics and not science, but they can't demonstrate a single case in which this has happened.

Naturally they're going to complain when ID tripe is turned down, and having no other "basis" to complain, they claim religious, or anti-religious, persecution. †ID has always been religious, and in an oddly conspicuous manner, for it has never really disavowed its animosity against "secularism" and "materialism". †The only strange thing has been that they have denied being religiously motivated, even as they fault science for doing what science does, explaining "natural phenomena" by observation, along with physical hypotheses and theories.

Now DaveTard is saying, 'well what if we really were a religion? †You'll be sorry that you called us religious.' †It's a way of telling the rubes on their side that we are opposed to, and will discriminate against, religion and religious persons. †Trouble is, it is already not allowable to fire or not hire people just because they are religious/IDist, so what the devil do we care? †

And it's also a way of claiming that BS not accepted for publication is denied simply because it comes from "a different perspective", rather than because it doesn't conform to scientific practice. †Indeed, it does come from a different perspective, one that opposes scientific practices when these are applied to origins issues (it's kind of murky where geology is concerned, but in deep cosmological time science is definitely not welcome to them).

Propaganda, naturally. †It's much more fruitful for them in the PR business to cry "foul" than to trot out their wretched "works" to show how they conform to proper scientific procedure, notably because they do not.

Glen D

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,11:20   

Quote (k.e @ Nov. 15 2006,10:44)
Simple Springer sez:

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All Iím asking for is a positive demonstration that unintelligent processes can produce the complex nanometer scale machinery found in living cells.


Sorry I'd like to accomodate but I have this thing about doing it in public (if I know someone is watching) on the other hand that hasn't stopped me from being sprung in flagrante ......at least that's what she said her name was.

So Davetard my best advice is to head down to the zoo and observe RM+NS through sexual reproduction in action.

If the animals don't comply a box of chocolats and a Barry White CD might help.

Barry White and chocolates is good, but might I also suggest an Al Green CD and a bottle of good wine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,11:27   

Dorothy Parker once said about somebody, "every word she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the'." I'm beginning to think that applies to goddam salvador cordova.

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The Empire Strikes Back, New Book by Woodward with foreword by Dembski
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what do we see, a little while later?
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Another pro-ID book rolled out: Tom Woodwardís...


http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1782

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,11:29   

Or rohypnol and a cudgel.

Its great being a morally unconstrained atheist.

Right, I'm off to shag Grandma. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,11:32   

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Good lord. DaveTard must be having a bad morning.


He had a bad day yesterday too. I think I've become a Corporal Kate surrogate.

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ID is religious then any discrimination is quite illegal in the United States and if proven could cost the employer dearly in a civil rights lawsuit.


Oh, but I thought that atheism/materialism was allegedly a belief or a religion in itself. Well, well. The next batch of lawsuits is going to be something else.

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