Joined: April 2005
|They're not teachable.|
What I'm saying is not a disagreement with that as far as ToE is concerned, but rather that perhaps there might be some way to get through to them just how badly their thought processes differ from what would be considered "rational".
What we've been doing up to now seems to me like trying to convince a smoker to quit by pointing out statistics on lung cancer.
you have to convince them that there's a psychological addiction they are facing first, get them to recognize that, and go from there.
same with alcoholism, or most addictive behavior for that matter.
again, I'd consider it a major victory if we could just get ONE of these creobots to recognize that they might not be thinking rationally. Maybe that would be enough to get them a bit more introspective, and hopefully enough that a few might seek to explore that. Folks as bad as Dave is should seriously be considering seeking professional treatment, as there may be underlying causes to the dissonant behavior that could produce far more unwanted results than depicted here in these forums.
Alcoholism was, until relatively recently (say 60 years?), not considered to be a real problem for society at large.
I don't think very many think this way any more (laws against drunk driving, thousands of treatment programs, AA, etc.).
I'm beginning to suspect that the type of dissonant behavior shown by creobots is becoming a more recognized and pervasive problem now in the US. Heck, it seems pretty obvious that our own president seems to suffer from it to a greater or lesser extent, based on his reactions to logical questions about his policies. I'm certainly not the first to notice, either.
Adam, on the PT board yesterday, also made a point of detailing the difference between "religion" and the type of behavior exhibited by AFDave.
again, an alcoholic comes to mind. Most of us can drink alcohol and not become adversly psychologically affected (addicted) to it, but some cannot.
we realize the best treatment isn't to eliminate the sale of alcohol to cure alcoholics, but rather to remove the individual from the source. Even before that, however, you have to get the individual to recognize that they have a problem.
I've decided to explore how one would go about doing just that, if there even is a way to do so via an online forum.
It's gotta be more productive than head-banging and ridicule.