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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,01:21   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 25 2011,17:45)
Final comment on that thread:
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I will not reward that behaviour, so I will now shut down comments, and add responses in brief overnight to what requires a reasonable comment for record, as editorial notes.

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Edited by Lou FCD on Oct. 26 2011,11:30

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,01:32   

William J. Murray, paranormal investigator:  
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The evidence that consciousness cannot be destroyed by destroying the body (or halted via brain death) exists in vast amounts, dating back over 150 years of scientific research and publication.

It is relatively easy to locate such research via simple google searches.
i.e., "you do my homework for me".

Ahem, seances don't count as evidence. Just ask Harry Houdini..oh wait, he's DEAD!

bolding mine until my consciousness and my body go their separate ways.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
George



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,02:11   

Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 25 2011,16:27)
kellyholmes (I heart kellyholmes - which one of you is he/she?) posts a link to this new blog. †One for the bookmarks ...

Child Burning Deviants

Pretty fun stuff:

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An examination of the past few years. Nor have things got better since or that of Dawkins et al. Try here as a part of the biblical stories must be recognized that assessment of timelines often presented as though those who differed with him are ignorant, stupid, insane or wickedĒ slanderous talking point. And, of course, those who dare differ with him. That is poisonous slander, and it is thus self-refuting]. . . ,Ē that simply underscores how the maximum reasonable Planck time, quantum state resources of the evolutionary materialist ideology hiding in the face of the ribosome, where the scope of events that can ground oughtness in a context where the example came from. Its message is simple and direct. Trial and error/success backed up by any reasonable level of warrant that an opinion piece is oneís personal opinion, but in presenting an ideology, the dominant elites.


He's got a point you know.

  
BillB



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,04:35   

Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 26 2011,07:21)
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I will not reward that behaviour, so I will now shut down comments, and add responses in brief overnight to what requires a reasonable comment for record, as editorial notes.

GEM of TKI


POTW? - gets my vote.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,04:49   

Things you would never know if you didn't read UD: Robert Sheldon tells us:
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It is a well-hidden fact that Islam is responsible for most of the ills besetting Christendom, including Darwinism.

Very well-hidden.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,04:55   

Oh, all right. †Here's his "reasoning":
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Iíll let you figure out the percentage, but hereís the link. Islam conquered and then lost Spain and left behind a highly educated, philosophical position of Godís absolute power. Letís call that nominalism. Nominalism emphasized ideology over induction. Contrast with the neo-Platonism of Augustine, and youíll start to spot the differences. During the Reformation and the Counter-Reformation you had this playing out in philosophy: Augustinian Reformers versus Aristotelian nominalists. Darwinís exposure to Atheism at the tender age of 16 exposed him to nominalism and the raw power of ideology, which he massaged for 30 years or so to make it palatable to a British Victorian society. It was still ideology but cleverly packaged as induction. Darwinís real genius lay in marketing, no matter what you may have read otherwise.

Is that clear? †Then here's more:
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The impending collapse of Islam is both a breakdown of authoritarian structure and ideology. The modern Muslim looks around and values what he sees (prosperity, smaller families, job mobility) over what he hears (Imam talking about eternal punishment for not having kids, etc). He is choosing induction over nominalism, ID over Darwinism.

In summary,  
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Itís not always clear which is ideology and which is induction, and part of Darwinís genius was selling evolution as inductionĖwhich it isnít. But as Imre Lakatos argues, you can spot the difference between the two in the manner in which they handle exceptions and ad hoc hypotheses. Which comes back to ID being the recognition that not only is Design recognizable, but it is also the opposite of nominalismĖit is interactive.

I think that makes it pretty clear.

And all this in a thread on the dreaded Demographic Collapse which turns out to be only having one or two children instead of the traditional seven.

Only on UD.

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...after reviewing the arguments, I‚Äôm inclined to believe that the critics of ENCODE‚Äôs bold claim were mostly right, and that the proportion of our genome which is functional is probably between 10 and 20%.  --Vincent Torley, uncommondescent.com 1/1/2016

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,08:30   

I thought Malthus was responsible for both demographic collapse and Darwinism. :)

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,08:42   

Chas D sums up the only reason I visit UD anymore (other than to read Elizabeth Liddle's stuff):
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Yaeh and MAYBE someday your position will have some research that supports your position!But until then do keep those promissory notes a cominíÖ.
Ah, my daily dive into Mirrorworld, where ID is an active science and evolution a left-field idea desperately in need of some factual investigation!

Joseph seems stuck in a "La la la, I can't see your evidence or hear your predictions." phase lately.  I do wish he'd add some of his stylish vulgarity to mix things up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,09:22   

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I will not reward that behaviour, so I will now shut down comments, and add responses in brief overnight to what requires a reasonable comment for record, as editorial notes.

GEM of TKI


POTW? - gets my vote.

Seconded!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,09:51   

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I will not reward that behaviour, so I will now shut down comments, and add responses in brief overnight to what requires a reasonable comment for record, as editorial notes.

GEM of TKI


POTW? - gets my vote.

Seconded!

Turded!

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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,11:26   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 25 2011,20:45)
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I will not reward that behaviour, so I will now shut down comments, and add responses in brief overnight to what requires a reasonable comment for record, as editorial notes.

GEM of TKI

I'm quietly playing IDiot bingo here by myself.  What's the proper armchair psychologist term for Gordon's fear and loathing of open discussion combined with his assumption that he has the authority to reward and punish other participants?  Is "being an ignorant, dishonest, cowardly ass" too technical a term?

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,12:04   

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You have to admit that only Uncommonly Dense would be so jaw-droppingly, barrel-scrapingly dumb as to claim the NCSE are playing the race card...
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Because, given evidence-based developments in evolution studies that donít confirm Darwin, itís all theyíve got left, really?

And then in the next fucking sentence go on to play the race card...
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But then Darwin himself was a racist, unlike Wallace.


:)

Posted without comment for posterity

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obert ByersOctober 26, 2011 at 1:25 am
Creationist organizations make these raft trips too and I think it gets under the skin of evolutionist fighters. Its one of those spatial picture things the school folks talk about.

Unlikely they are putting the black down . they just needed a black, as Hollywood always does in FRONT of the camera, and there was no other or other that wasnít a creationist.
Just common identity selectionism.

Scott and AIG/ICR should have raft races. you can make the best geological interpretation , ride the waves, and persuade the most people and return with them undunked.


Link

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,12:16   

Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 26 2011,11:26)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 25 2011,20:45)
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I will not reward that behaviour, so I will now shut down comments, and add responses in brief overnight to what requires a reasonable comment for record, as editorial notes.

GEM of TKI

I'm quietly playing IDiot bingo here by myself. †What's the proper armchair psychologist term for Gordon's fear and loathing of open discussion combined with his assumption that he has the authority to reward and punish other participants? †Is "being an ignorant, dishonest, cowardly ass" too technical a term?

Well speaking as an armchair psychiatrist in the truest sense of the phrase (and with the appropriate nod and apologies to those that do know what they are talking about here), I used to think Narcissistic Personality Disorder but I think based on more recent posts I would have to go with Paranoid Personality Disorder. Wikipedia states :
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Paranoid personality disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others.

Those with the condition are hypersensitive, are easily slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions to validate their prejudicial ideas or biases. Paranoid individuals are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, disregarding any facts. They tend to be guarded and suspicious and have quite constricted emotional lives. Their incapacity for meaningful emotional involvement and the general pattern of isolated withdrawal often lend a quality of schizoid isolation to their life experience.

Of course, it's possible that there are elements of both in there somewhere.

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,12:29   

Damn - just when you've made one armchair diagnosis, another one with a better fit comes along. †Try Fanatic Narcissist to see if it fits.
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Fanatic narcissist - including paranoid features. An individual whose self-esteem was severely arrested during childhood, who usually displays major paranoid tendencies, and who holds on to an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value, and trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition or support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.

Bolding mine. †Top that, someone!

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,13:10   

Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 26 2011,13:29)
Damn - just when you've made one armchair diagnosis, another one with a better fit comes along. †Try Fanatic Narcissist to see if it fits.
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Fanatic narcissist - including paranoid features. An individual whose self-esteem was severely arrested during childhood, who usually displays major paranoid tendencies, and who holds on to an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value, and trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition or support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.

Bolding mine. †Top that, someone!

Narcissistic personality disorder was definitely the one I was thinking of, but you've nailed it with this one.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,14:17   

Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 26 2011,12:29)
Damn - just when you've made one armchair diagnosis, another one with a better fit comes along. †Try Fanatic Narcissist to see if it fits.
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Fanatic narcissist - including paranoid features. An individual whose self-esteem was severely arrested during childhood, who usually displays major paranoid tendencies, and who holds on to an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value, and trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition or support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.

Bolding mine. †Top that, someone!

Dang son.  We have a winner.  

Add some psychopathy and you've got them all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,15:08   

Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 26 2011,18:29)
Damn - just when you've made one armchair diagnosis, another one with a better fit comes along. †Try Fanatic Narcissist to see if it fits.
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Fanatic narcissist - including paranoid features. An individual whose self-esteem was severely arrested during childhood, who usually displays major paranoid tendencies, and who holds on to an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value, and trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition or support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.

Bolding mine. †Top that, someone!

So I should be worried thatif that describes methis guy I know?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,15:14   

Quote (Louis @ Oct. 26 2011,15:08)
Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 26 2011,18:29)
Damn - just when you've made one armchair diagnosis, another one with a better fit comes along. †Try Fanatic Narcissist to see if it fits.
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Fanatic narcissist - including paranoid features. An individual whose self-esteem was severely arrested during childhood, who usually displays major paranoid tendencies, and who holds on to an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value, and trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition or support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.

Bolding mine. †Top that, someone!

So I should be worried thatif that describes methis guy I know?

Louis

Only if it describes you him sober.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,15:40   

Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 27 2011,03:29)
Damn - just when you've made one armchair diagnosis, another one with a better fit comes along. †Try Fanatic Narcissist to see if it fits.
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Fanatic narcissist - including paranoid features. An individual whose self-esteem was severely arrested during childhood, who usually displays major paranoid tendencies, and who holds on to an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value, and trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition or support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.

Bolding mine. †Top that, someone!

Sounds like Frill to me.

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,16:19   

Pop Quiz (no cheating)

O'Leary or IDiot generator, edited for brevity.

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All kinds of strange stuff has happened since then, including stuff we complain about the Darwin fairy tale of highly creative gene duplication, and itís too bad if some freak out about the Darwinsludge Ė the stupid stuff in defense of Darwinism. Which probably does far more harm to their cause than any of us are offended by the constant Darwin worship of the waste basket Ė


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Are Darwinís American tribe having a collective nutout or what? Joshua Rosenea went on to quote Virgilís Aeneid that rumors of the kind I am spreading are ďnimble as quicksilver among evils. OK, whatever. Please, lawyer, for all our coffee money for next week: Does Rosenau have a case if we link? Can he force us to break winter camp? This is about some film about dinosaurs in heaven, which nobody can afford to buy and isnít on line. Dinos arenít in heaven? We ainít either. Difference is, we is askiní

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,16:35   

She's seriously gone, hasn't she?

It is good to see UD become nothing more than a link farm. Anything to drum up interest.

(In spite of Nick Matze and Febble's missionary work †:angry: )

  
BillB



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,16:39   

DrBot replies to KF:
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† †Kindly tell us the term we use to describe a discrete as opposed to continuous state system.

Discrete

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,16:47   

gpuccio:
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Because dFSCI is found empirically only in designed things.

Because biological information has tons of dFSCI.


They might as well fucking measure information by weight, they've tried (and failed) to do it any other way.

Duh.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,17:44   

Quote (REC @ Oct. 26 2011,14:19)
Pop Quiz (no cheating)

O'Leary or IDiot generator, edited for brevity.

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All kinds of strange stuff has happened since then, including stuff we complain about the Darwin fairy tale of highly creative gene duplication, and itís too bad if some freak out about the Darwinsludge Ė the stupid stuff in defense of Darwinism. Which probably does far more harm to their cause than any of us are offended by the constant Darwin worship of the waste basket Ė


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Are Darwinís American tribe having a collective nutout or what? Joshua Rosenea went on to quote Virgilís Aeneid that rumors of the kind I am spreading are ďnimble as quicksilver among evils. OK, whatever. Please, lawyer, for all our coffee money for next week: Does Rosenau have a case if we link? Can he force us to break winter camp? This is about some film about dinosaurs in heaven, which nobody can afford to buy and isnít on line. Dinos arenít in heaven? We ainít either. Difference is, we is askiní

The IDiot Generator has passed the TARDing Test. All hail our IG overlord.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,17:52   

Is it Friday?

Some proper A-Class insanity about to erupt. Perhaps.

Dawkins is a liar, and he assoiciates with people like this:

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Dr. Sam Harris, who says that pushing an innocent man into the path of an oncoming train is OK, if it is necessary in order to save a greater number of human lives


Dr. Sam might say that but so to (IIRC) a majority of people when asked the same question.

vjtorley ends thusly:
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Professor Dawkins, I understand that you are a very busy man. Nevertheless, I should warn you that a failure to answer these charges will expose you to charges of apparent lying, character assassination, public hypocrisy, as well as an ethical double-standard on your part. The choice is yours.


Funnily enough that all applies to Dr Dr Dembski, much more so then Dawkins.

And WTF is "apparent lying"? Is that like dFSCI?

Wow.

And he even throws one in for "I'd eat a baby if the reason was right" FTK:
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In his article in The Guardian (20 October 2011) condemning William Lane Craig, Professor Dawkins fails to explain exactly why it would be wrong under all circumstances for God (if He existed) to take the life of an innocent human baby, if that baby was compensated with eternal life in the hereafter. In fact, as I will demonstrate below, if we look at the most common arguments against killing the innocent, then it is impossible to construct a knock-down case establishing that this act of God would be wrong under all possible circumstances.


What a proper POS. Who the fuck could say "if we look at the most common arguments against killing the innocent" and mean it? I thought the whole point of their thang was that they would not need an argument against such a thing, they'd "know" it was wrong from the start. Yet they have to construct arguments as to why killing the innocent is not necessarily wrong simply because their deity did it and so it can't possibly be wrong because it's written down in a book that says it can't be wrong anyway. Wah-ha.

I'm sure it was of much comfort to the mother of an innocent child that it now has eternal life.

In fact, this is how it all begins, right? They start to think "well, unbelievers are in fact better off dead" and so killing you is actually doing you a favor in their minds.

What a mind fuck.

I can only hope they come up with that other logical alternative instead, like the The Heaven's Gate people did. Why not? Get you there all the faster vjtorley you sick piece of shit, if you do it yourself. Works for the innocent right?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,17:55   

Joseph and Nick sitting in a tree...


http://forth998877.appspot.com/Kwic....ph#Nick

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,17:57   

Clive is even more senile via the IDiot generator:
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It could be changed or guided or directed; since we donít see the logical necessity behind it, we have no assurance that it couldnít have been otherwise, or that these observations havenít been, or couldnít have been, different in the character of nature. The supreme irony is that the only things we really do understand, that is, see the reasonableness of why any two things are connected as physical events in the singularity before the Big Bang, then yes, the conditions of nature as we understand nature as we understand nature as we find them now, wouldíve been a totally foreign nature, akin to a miracle. it is a logical contradiction for anything in nature to have a point. , Methodological naturalism presupposes that we understand nature as we understand nature as we find them now, wouldíve been a totally foreign nature, akin to a miracle. it is a confusion to consider observations as real understandings of the character of nature. So, yes, nature is a logical fallacy. So our ďunderstandingĒ of nature is based solely and purely on observations, not on any logical necessity, stuck or frozen in their character. It could be changed or guided or directed; since we donít see the reasonableness of why any two things are connected as physical events in the same way. The simple test is to ask yourself if it is a confusion to consider observations as real understandings of the character of nature. The supreme irony is that the only things we really do understand, that is, see the reasonableness behind, donít physically exist, like mathematics, morality, and logic.


Or is that a "real" quote.....

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,19:36   

Quote (MichaelJ @ Oct. 26 2011,13:40)
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Damn - just when you've made one armchair diagnosis, another one with a better fit comes along. †Try Fanatic Narcissist to see if it fits.
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Fanatic narcissist - including paranoid features. An individual whose self-esteem was severely arrested during childhood, who usually displays major paranoid tendencies, and who holds on to an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value, and trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition or support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.

Bolding mine. †Top that, someone!

Sounds like Frill to me.

And Joe. And Joe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,22:21   

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gpuccio:
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Because dFSCI is found empirically only in designed things.

Because biological information has tons of dFSCI.


They might as well fucking measure information by weight, they've tried (and failed) to do it any other way.

Duh.

Didn't Joseph or Jerry actually suggest to weigh DVDs?

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2011,22:58   

Joseph, the Jacques Tardteau of UD:
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Cetacean hind limbs are just old, unused FINS

It's probably a wasted effort but i'll post a reply to him with a reference to a paper on the developmental basis for hind-limb loss.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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