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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,13:12   

Sounds like a hypnogogic hallucination.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,13:35   

vjtorley diagrees with the UD majority about the supernatural origin of the Fatima events. But he is absolutely bang-on convinced about the lightweight Joseph of Cupertino.

Is it wrong to be dogmatic about the pull of gravity? Magic Works. Mostly through doing something that the crowd cannot work out. Even when magicians insist they merely create illusions, they are accused of using 'real' magic - check out Youtube comments on David Blaine, Dynamo, Derren Brown!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,15:23   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 28 2012,13:12)
Sounds like a hypnogogic hallucination.

Or his subconscious taking care of him, playing the role of the professor, teaching him a lesson?

I have a great respect for our subconscious forces.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2012,17:53   

Quote (Quack @ Dec. 28 2012,15:23)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 28 2012,13:12)
Sounds like a hypnogogic hallucination.

Or his subconscious taking care of him, playing the role of the professor, teaching him a lesson?

I have a great respect for our subconscious forces.

I think someone is just ideologically opposed to accepting the truth, that the professor is a witch. Or wizard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2012,22:27   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-442557

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...I just as swiftly became aware that whatever this entity was, it was intent on sodomizing me, so clenched my gluteal muscles, as I was later to tense my neck muscles, to timely effect, thus thwarting the perverse designs of that priapic, phantom limbo-dancer.

In Malaysia, we didn’t wear pyjamas – not sure we did in Germany; certainly not jackets. But also, in Malaysia we just slept with a single sheet over us. I suspect it was a ghost, not a demon.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,00:34   

Sad news:
Carl Woese pioneer of phylogenetic taxonomy based on 16S rRNA sequencing died.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,01:45   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 30 2012,20:27)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-442557

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...I just as swiftly became aware that whatever this entity was, it was intent on sodomizing me, so clenched my gluteal muscles, as I was later to tense my neck muscles, to timely effect, thus thwarting the perverse designs of that priapic, phantom limbo-dancer.

In Malaysia, we didn’t wear pyjamas – not sure we did in Germany; certainly not jackets. But also, in Malaysia we just slept with a single sheet over us. I suspect it was a ghost, not a demon.

WTF?



I'm tempted, but I will not go to UD to see who said that.

And what the hell are "pyjamas"?   :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,03:36   

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I'm tempted, but I will not go to UD to see who said that.
I won't either but a pity you didn't and can't tell us...

   
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And what the hell are "pyjamas"?   :p

Pysj?  :D :p

Edited by Quack on Dec. 31 2012,03:41

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,07:55   

Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 31 2012,02:45)
And what the hell are "pyjamas"?   :p

It's a pervert thing. Some kind of getup worn by weirdos who don't sleep nekkid.

I suspect they wear them in the shower too.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,09:01   

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I'm tempted, but I will not go to UD to see who said that.


A pity. First post in years worth the trip.

It does explain a lot about UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,09:34   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 30 2012,22:27)
 
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...I just as swiftly became aware that whatever this entity was, it was intent on sodomizing me, so clenched my gluteal muscles, as I was later to tense my neck muscles, to timely effect, thus thwarting the perverse designs of that priapic, phantom limbo-dancer.



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,09:44   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 28 2012,13:12)
Sounds like a hypnogogic hallucination.

Interesting. Could be. I've had other such experiences, but nothing that intense.

Thanks for the link Wes!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,11:43   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 31 2012,07:55)
Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 31 2012,02:45)
And what the hell are "pyjamas"?   :p

It's a pervert thing. Some kind of getup worn by weirdos who don't sleep nekkid.

I suspect they wear them in the shower too.

I hear some people even wear special clothes to go swimmin'.  Kinda weird that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,16:01   

Axel (for 'tis he of the sodomitic night-terrors) confirms what a douche Chesterton appeared to be (he'd fit right in at UD) by this further quote  
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‘When men stop believing in God they don’t believe in nothing; they believe in anything.’
Anything except ghoulies and ghosties, the poofing into existence of fully-formed species and fallen angels trying to ram you in the rear, that would be.  

And BA77 quotes with approval their other favourite sophist-apologist CS Lewis:  
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“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell.”
So it's a game of Belief? Believe wrong and you go to the worse of the places you didn't believe in? er ... OK, if you say so. Sounds exactly what a loving Father would do.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2012,21:30   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Dec. 31 2012,16:01)
Axel (for 'tis he of the sodomitic night-terrors) confirms what a douche Chesterton appeared to be (he'd fit right in at UD) by this further quote    
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‘When men stop believing in God they don’t believe in nothing; they believe in anything.’
Anything except ghoulies and ghosties, the poofing into existence of fully-formed species and fallen angels trying to ram you in the rear, that would be.  

And BA77 quotes with approval their other favourite sophist-apologist CS Lewis:    
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“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell.”
So it's a game of Belief? Believe wrong and you go to the worse of the places you didn't believe in? er ... OK, if you say so. Sounds exactly what a loving Father would do.

Elizabeth Anscombe. That's a name that should be prominent in any retrospective discussion of C.S. Lewis. I like reading the section on their debate in Wikipedia.

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As a result of the contest, Lewis substantially rewrote chapter 3 of Miracles for the 1960 paperback edition.


Lewis was shown to be wrong in some aspect of his thought, conceded that point, and revised work in light of that deficiency. Would any of his modern cheerleaders go that far?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,04:14   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 01 2013,03:30)
   
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Dec. 31 2012,16:01)
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And BA77 quotes with approval their other favourite sophist-apologist CS Lewis:        
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“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell.”
So it's a game of Belief? Believe wrong and you go to the worse of the places you didn't believe in? er ... OK, if you say so. Sounds exactly what a loving Father would do.

Elizabeth Anscombe. That's a name that should be prominent in any retrospective discussion of C.S. Lewis. I like reading the section on their debate in Wikipedia.

   
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As a result of the contest, Lewis substantially rewrote chapter 3 of Miracles for the 1960 paperback edition.


Lewis was shown to be wrong in some aspect of his thought, conceded that point, and revised work in light of that deficiency. Would any of his modern cheerleaders go that far?


Yes, I'm prepared to believe Lewis (and Chesterton, for that matter) was possessed of intellectual honesty. That's the trouble with freezing one's current thoughts in print; future self-correction, or clarification, even if published, is omitted when people later quote your earlier words as What You Thought.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,06:24   

Uh oh, vjtorley's declining further - he's now started using (virtual) green ink in his posts.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,08:35   

Quote (Quack @ Dec. 31 2012,01:36)
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I'm tempted, but I will not go to UD to see who said that.
I won't either but a pity you didn't and can't tell us...

   
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And what the hell are "pyjamas"?   :p

Pysj?  :D :p

Hmm, those pyjamas look a lot like pajamas. :O

It's an evil marketing ploy! (just kidding)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,08:48   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 31 2012,07:01)
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I'm tempted, but I will not go to UD to see who said that.


A pity. First post in years worth the trip.

It does explain a lot about UD.

I was torn between my curiosity and the horrible feeling that I used to get whenever I read UD a lot. I'm trying to avoid that suffocating abyss of tard. I told myself that if I were patient, someone with more fortitude than I would reveal the author of those words.

You're so right. It does explain a lot about UD.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,09:33   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Dec. 31 2012,14:01)
Axel (for 'tis he of the sodomitic night-terrors) confirms what a douche Chesterton appeared to be (he'd fit right in at UD) by this further quote    
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‘When men stop believing in God they don’t believe in nothing; they believe in anything.’
Anything except ghoulies and ghosties, the poofing into existence of fully-formed species and fallen angels trying to ram you in the rear, that would be.  

And BA77 quotes with approval their other favourite sophist-apologist CS Lewis:    
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“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell.”
So it's a game of Belief? Believe wrong and you go to the worse of the places you didn't believe in? er ... OK, if you say so. Sounds exactly what a loving Father would do.

Axel was the first IDiot I thought of (I'm not sure why) and I was even going to say so but then I started to think about ba77 and joey g and gordo and torley and the others and I figured that it could have been any of them. That it turned out to be axel makes me wonder if I'm psychic, or (much more likely) if I just read way too much of his tard when I used to peruse UD on a daily basis. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,10:01   

Quote (rossum @ Dec. 31 2012,09:43)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 31 2012,07:55)
   
Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 31 2012,02:45)
And what the hell are "pyjamas"?   :p

It's a pervert thing. Some kind of getup worn by weirdos who don't sleep nekkid.

I suspect they wear them in the shower too.

I hear some people even wear special clothes to go swimmin'.  Kinda weird that.

And some people go even further than that!



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,10:03   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 30 2012,22:27)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-442557

 
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...I just as swiftly became aware that whatever this entity was, it was intent on sodomizing me, so clenched my gluteal muscles, as I was later to tense my neck muscles, to timely effect, thus thwarting the perverse designs of that priapic, phantom limbo-dancer.

In Malaysia, we didn’t wear pyjamas – not sure we did in Germany; certainly not jackets. But also, in Malaysia we just slept with a single sheet over us. I suspect it was a ghost, not a demon.

Can't understand why this isn't up at FSTDT yet ... it's superb.  Even the fundies at UD don't know how to respond!  I think it could end up rated higher than the all-time #1 on the Fundie Index.

http://www.fstdt.net/Top100.....chive=1

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,10:17   

By the way, if any of you are interested in something more intellectually stimulating than IDiot tard, Antenna TV is airing a Three Stooges marathon all day today.



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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,11:40   

Quote (Freddie @ Jan. 01 2013,08:03)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 30 2012,22:27)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-442557

     
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...I just as swiftly became aware that whatever this entity was, it was intent on sodomizing me, so clenched my gluteal muscles, as I was later to tense my neck muscles, to timely effect, thus thwarting the perverse designs of that priapic, phantom limbo-dancer.

In Malaysia, we didn’t wear pyjamas – not sure we did in Germany; certainly not jackets. But also, in Malaysia we just slept with a single sheet over us. I suspect it was a ghost, not a demon.

Can't understand why this isn't up at FSTDT yet ... it's superb.  Even the fundies at UD don't know how to respond!  I think it could end up rated higher than the all-time #1 on the Fundie Index.

http://www.fstdt.net/Top100.....chive=1

I just read the top 100 there and WOW. Those people are downright scary!

When I think of the children of those wackos I feel frustrated and angry. I want to rescue the kids from their brutal parents and others whose agenda is to break the will of children, beat them, brainwash them, excommunicate them, and otherwise ruin them or even kill them 'in the name of a loving God'. I can't help but wonder how much of that insanity is going on right now in my own neighborhood, let alone all over the world. And to think that they are the people monsters who lay claim to all of the good, 'grounded' morals. I want to call them scum but that would be an insult to scum.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,13:02   

From Freddies FSTDT link....


  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,14:45   

dear god, torley's latest is 13,000+ words.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,14:50   

Quote (The whole truth @ Jan. 01 2013,09:48)
I was torn between my curiosity and the horrible feeling that I used to get whenever I read UD a lot.

After several years of marinating in that sauce 12 hours a day, I can honestly say I'm still not fine after a four-year break.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,19:56   

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dear god, torley's latest is 13,000+ words.

Methinks he has way too much time on his hands.

It seems to be a somewhat labored attempt to rehabilitate Paley's argument from design by arguing - unpersuasively it seems to me - that it is not an argument by analogy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,21:20   

Vj writes a lot, and sometimes well. But the sloppiness of his reasoning is exemplified in the following tidbit:
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It turns out that Rev. Paley had already read Hume’s Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion; indeed, he even refers in passing to “Mr. Hume, in his posthumous dialogues” on page 512 of Chapter XXVI of his Natural Theology! Moreover, a careful examination of Paley’s design argument shows that he had anticipated and responded to all of Hume’s criticisms.

Paley "Anticipated" something that preceded him by 20+ years, and that we know he read.

Riiiiight.
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The truth, however, is the complete reverse.

Now you got it, VJ.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2013,22:03   

Of course Paley wasn't arguing from analogy, because he really was claiming to find real evidence of design, not using the dishonest strategy of assuming design to be the default that present-day IDiots assume:

 
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Ought it then to be said that though we have little notion of an internal mould, we have not much more of a designing mind:  The very contrary of this assertion is the truth.  When we speak of an artificer or an architect, we talk of what is comprehensible to our understanding, and familiar to our experience.  We use no other terms, than what refer us for their meaning to our consciousness and observation; what express the constant objects of both; whereas names, like that we have mentioned, refer us to nothing; excite no idea; convey a sound to the ear, but I think do no more.


From a blogpost that I once made

I mentioned Paley's claim that he was referring to what architects and architects do on some forum or other (Biologos?) once, and some of the UDiots ended up saying on UD that, well, they had never claimed that design in life was like that of architects or artificers.  Well of course not, Paley thought he was actually finding design, not trying to sneak it in without dealing with evolution and the actual undesigned-like nature of life.  Paley wasn't exactly an honest scientist either, in fact, as he warns against paying too much attention to what doesn't seem so designed, but by comparison to the likes of Dembski or Behe, he's a paragon of scientific virtue, actually meaning to discover design traits, rather than dishonestly defaulting to "design" after throwing up a host of (largely bogus) objections against evolution.

It should be noted that Paley sees design in aspects of the solar system, using arguments that even the IDiots don't use today.

Anyway, if you can just recognize design immediately, like these bozos suppose, I would note that natural crystals really do look a whole lot more designed than life does.  Good rational shapes, sometimes being Platonic solids, they're wonderful candidates for intelligent design found in nature.  Life, by contrast, looks evolved, even did before evolutionary theory arose in science, hence the "chain of being," which, however, depended on magic.  Paley seems to have forgotten that himself (or didn't he want to deal with it?), as he tried to argue about how obvious design is in a watch--in contrast to all of the life next to it.  

Yes, it doesn't work at all, and Paley's probably as close as it ever came to being intellectually honest.  Only he was looking for actual evidence of design, in doing so, rather than blathering all around their lack of any evidence for design in wild-type life, like the current rubes, BSers, and apologists do.

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