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Amadan Posts: 1198 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2012,20:04    Quote (REC @ Aug. 24 2012,01:08) Or are you embarrassed by your own childish behavior? Ha! As if! -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Richardthughes Posts: 9478 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2012,20:46    Of all the cowards, Joe is the biggest. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

CeilingCat Posts: 1499 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2012,23:58    Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 23 2012,13:23) KF will like this. According to Cisco, by the year 2015, 1 million minutes of TV programming will cross the internet every second.  760,000 minutes of it will be porn.* There is hope for the future! * I added the last part. You bastard! -------------- Like every other academic field, philosophy of religion has its share of hacks and mediocrities.   Edward Feser ‘Anything is a “real possibility” in the mind of one seeking to deny the obvious.’ – William J Murray

CeilingCat Posts: 1499 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,00:16    Quote There is now a rising flood of free -- much of it amateur [or pseudo-amateur] -- Internet pornography, just a simple Google search away. All you have to do is make a simple mistake in a search and the links to the most graphic, "hard core" porn sites will start to come up. And surely this vast increase in porn has sent rape rates through the roof, right? Of course not! How the Web Prevents Rape The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. Does Pornography Cause Social Harm?     Quote Since the arrival of Internet porn: * Sexual irresponsibility has declined. Standard measures include rates of abortion and sexually transmitted infections. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), since 1990, the nation's abortion rate has fallen 41 percent. The syphilis rate has plummeted 74 percent. And the gonorrhea rate has plunged 57 percent. * Teen sex has declined. The CDC says that since 1991, the proportion of teens who have had intercourse has decreased 7 percent. Teen condom use has increased 16 percent. And the teen birth rate has fallen 33 percent. * Divorce has declined. Since 1990, the divorce rate has decreased 23 percent. * Rape has declined. According to the Justice Department's National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1995, the sexual assault rate has fallen 44 percent Porn Up, Rape Down - Northwestern University Just Google for "rape rates and pornography" (without the quotes) for much, much more Gordon, you sick fuck. Honestly, anybody who would welcome a giant increase in rape rates in order to force his perverted sexual beliefs on the rest of the world should be cast into "...the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."  (Revelations 20:10) -------------- Like every other academic field, philosophy of religion has its share of hacks and mediocrities.   Edward Feser ‘Anything is a “real possibility” in the mind of one seeking to deny the obvious.’ – William J Murray

CeilingCat Posts: 1499 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,00:48    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 23 2012,08:57) Atheism and sexual deviancy Huh! It's about adultery. When was that branded deviant? Meantime, UD's ad-popup is inviting me to meet singles in my area ... I'm married, dammit! But they sure look ... get behind me, Satan! LOL!!  This ad was at the top position on my screen when I looked at that thread:   Quote How to get Hard For Size & Growth. Erecctions Info, Symptoms, Causes & Solutions! symptomsandrelief.com Gordy, Sal, Joe - that ad is directed at you. F/N P.S. R.S.V.P.:"Erecctions" is how they spelled it. -------------- Like every other academic field, philosophy of religion has its share of hacks and mediocrities.   Edward Feser ‘Anything is a “real possibility” in the mind of one seeking to deny the obvious.’ – William J Murray

Soapy Sam Posts: 371 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,01:27    Quote (Freddie @ Aug. 23 2012,16:14)     Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 23 2012,15:05) Barry Arrington continues his quest to push inconvenient questions off the first page. He has started what is at least the third thread at UD dealing with Upright Biped's semionic theory. So he can start the whole thing over as if the links to TSZ don't exist, no one ever asked UB how his theory supports ID, whether he has evidence that the genetic code existed in its current form in the first replicator, or what the existence of red plastic balls has to do with evolution. I predict that if anyone brings this up or posts links to the threads UB ran away from, they will conveniently stop posting after being warned of more serious forms of correction. "Having finished typing his rather grandiose OP, Barry sensed a nagging feeling that something was wrong ..."       Quote I take the following from an excellent comment UP made in a prior post.  UP lays out his argument step by step, precept by precept.  Then he arrives at a conclusion.  In order for his argument to be valid, the conclusion must follow from the premises.  In order for his argument to be sound, each of the premises must be true. Now here is the challenge to our Darwinist friends.  If you disagree with UP’s conclusion, please demonstrate how his argument is either invalid (as a matter of logic the conclusion does not follow from the premises) or unsound (one or more of the premises are false).  Good luck (you’re going to need it). Without further ado, here is UP’s argument: Is he fucking serious? He asks the "Darwinists" to dissect "UP"'s theory in a thread to which most of them can't comment? Meantime they have extensively dissected the logic of the argument, and the relevance of said logic to chemistry, over at TSZ. Presumably, KF is shortly going to say "chirp chirp chirp". I give UB some credit for discussing over there, even if it made not a dent in his certainties, but Barry ... you're a fucking buffoon. -------------- Evolutionists trust entropy for creation of life but are like men who horse a crocodile to get across a river - niwrad. The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

sparc Posts: 1470 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,01:41    Quote UD News away till October 30 August 23, 2012 Posted by News under Adminstrative, Intelligent Design Needing to finish up a manuscript for Christian Darwinism (Broadman and Holman, 2014), a book co-authored with Bill Dembski, the News desk needs to focus, focus, focus. Deja vu:   Quote New book announcement: William A. Dembski and Denyse O’Leary slam “Christian Darwinism” in forthcoming book August 6, 2010 Posted by O'Leary under Intelligent Design In Christian Darwinism: Why Theistic Evolution Fails As Science and Theology (Broadman and Holman, November 2011), mathematician Dembski and journalist O’Leary address a powerful new trend to accommodate Christianity with atheist materialism, via acceptance of Darwinian (“survival of the fittest”) evolution. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Soapy Sam Posts: 371 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,01:59    Joe-ho-ho   Quote synthesized ribosomes do not function and if they were reducible to matter and energy they would Joe says this a lot. How do you know if you've synthesised a ribosome if it doesn't function, dummy? My banana-and-cocktail-stick computers don't function and if computers were reducible to matter and energy they would. -------------- Evolutionists trust entropy for creation of life but are like men who horse a crocodile to get across a river - niwrad. The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

Soapy Sam Posts: 371 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,02:54    At last! KF has finally agreed that it was an error to confuse petrushka and mphillips, and that the comment about linking to porn and not overloading the servers was not petrushka either. He's also agreed that the latter comment was tongue-in-cheek, a typically British piss-take rather than the hate crime he first thought. And he has followed the 'tunie' links and realised what a hateful figure Joe is to have on his side, and has reprimanded him accordingly. AND he has agreed that mphillips made an entirely valid point regarding 'islands of function' and his (KF's) apparent belief that he has a map of protein function by deduction from the map of English words. Oh, hang on ... all I'm getting is chirp, chirp, chirp. -------------- Evolutionists trust entropy for creation of life but are like men who horse a crocodile to get across a river - niwrad. The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

Soapy Sam Posts: 371 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,06:02    But I guess KF has more on his mind, since he appears to consider it genuinely plausible that there are people here or at TSZ who would shoot him for his views. http://www.uncommondescent.com/religio....-431018       Quote And, pardon, that is before I touch on your attempt to push me into the same immoral boat as those who have set out to slander me over at TSZ. (And remember you are here dealing with someone who has to deal with hate sites and clearly unhinged denizens thereof who — as the recent shooting at FRC shows, if that was necessary — credibly pose threats.) -------------- Evolutionists trust entropy for creation of life but are like men who horse a crocodile to get across a river - niwrad. The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,06:41    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 24 2012,06:02) But I guess KF has more on his mind, since he appears to consider it genuinely plausible that there are people here or at TSZ who would shoot him for his views. KF's attitude to evidence is an interesting one, to say the least. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

k.e.. Posts: 2506 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,07:49    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 24 2012,14:02) But I guess KF has more on his mind, since he appears to consider it genuinely plausible that there are people here or at TSZ who would shoot him for his views.       HAH... HE DOES THAT TO HIMSELF EVERYTIME HE POSTS WHAT A COMPLETE TOSSER. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clownDaveTard suit." dogdidit Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror. DAVE TARD

OgreMkV Posts: 2924 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,07:56    Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 24 2012,07:49) Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 24 2012,14:02) But I guess KF has more on his mind, since he appears to consider it genuinely plausible that there are people here or at TSZ who would shoot him for his views.       HAH... HE DOES THAT TO HIMSELF EVERYTIME HE POSTS WHAT A COMPLETE TOSSER. meh, I wouldn't waste a bullet on him.  Silencing his idiotic views aren't worth the potential jail time. Besides, much like Joe, KF is a good guy to have... on the other side. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

fnxtr Posts: 1806 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,08:55    Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 23 2012,11:23) KF will like this. According to Cisco, by the year 2015, 1 million minutes of TV programming will cross the internet every second.  760,000 minutes of it will be porn.* * I added the last part. "Porn is often frowned upon, but that's just because I'm concentrating."  -- from best of the Fringe. -------------- "But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 1258 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,09:34    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2012,20:46) Of all the cowards, Joe is the biggest. He's also the biggest ass kisser   Quote JoeTard:  Great job Barry and especially Upright Biped. Now we have the septic zonites sounding off with nonsense, special pleading and equivocation If JoeTard sucked Arrington's dick any harder he'd turn the fat bastard inside out. Edited by Lou FCD on Aug. 24 2012,10:40 -------------- JoeG: And by eating the cake you are consuming the information- some stays with you and the rest is waste.

midwifetoad Posts: 3148 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,10:15    I save a lot of time at UD by browsing the latest comments column to see if anyone not stupid has posted. Cuts scrolling by 99 percent. -------------- ... a poster child for irresponsible and deceitful misrepresentation of design theory on the Internet. http://tinyurl.com/9axtwbe....9axtwbe

REC Posts: 422 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,10:19    Quote (sparc @ Aug. 24 2012,01:41) Quote UD News away till October 30 August 23, 2012 Posted by News under Adminstrative, Intelligent Design Needing to finish up a manuscript for Christian Darwinism (Broadman and Holman, 2014), a book co-authored with Bill Dembski, the News desk needs to focus, focus, focus. Deja vu:   Quote New book announcement: William A. Dembski and Denyse O’Leary slam “Christian Darwinism” in forthcoming book August 6, 2010 Posted by O'Leary under Intelligent Design In Christian Darwinism: Why Theistic Evolution Fails As Science and Theology (Broadman and Holman, November 2011), mathematician Dembski and journalist O’Leary address a powerful new trend to accommodate Christianity with atheist materialism, via acceptance of Darwinian (“survival of the fittest”) evolution. Hey look...Dr. Dr. is on the author's page along with Chuck Norris and Ollie North: Link Also brought to you by B&H- pre-filled, hermetically sealed communion cups of grape juice with a little wafer on top. I can't think of a greater perversion of the symbol of the COMMUNAL sharing of wine and breaking of bread.

Soapy Sam Posts: 371 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,10:33    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 24 2012,09:34)         Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2012,20:46) Of all the cowards, Joe is the biggest. He's also the biggest ass kisser             Quote JoeTard:  Great job Barry and especially Upright Biped. Now we have the septic zonites sounding off with nonsense, special pleading and equivocation If JoeTard sucked Arrington's dick any harder he'd turn the fat bastard inside out. Hee hee! So people who know about physics and chemistry are being nonsensical and ... er ... equivocational, while those who appear to know next to fuck all are patting UB on the back with Shannon this and entropy that ... Write it up, UB! Or get Joe to do it for you, he seems a bright sort. Then submit it to a peer-reviewed journal. Then sit back and see what the reviewers say. They'll probably offer nonsense, special pleading and equivocation too. They might also mention physics and chemistry, and not confuse the usages of entropy   Quote So the actual configurational entropy is far higher than the shannon entropy we usually use to estimate the information content in DNA. What are you doing, Sal? Show your fucking working! You've had a good chat with Mike it's-about-energy Elzinga, then you start going all hand-wavy probabilistic on our asses about positional configurations! The code arose in a prebiotic soup? Try again! -------------- Evolutionists trust entropy for creation of life but are like men who horse a crocodile to get across a river - niwrad. The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

OgreMkV Posts: 2924 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,11:07    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 24 2012,10:33) Hee hee! So people who know about physics and chemistry are being nonsensical and ... er ... equivocational, while those who appear to know next to fuck all are patting UB on the back with Shannon this and entropy that ... Write it up, UB! Or get Joe to do it for you, he seems a bright sort. Then submit it to a peer-reviewed journal. Then sit back and see what the reviewers say. They'll probably offer nonsense, special pleading and equivocation too. They might also mention physics and chemistry, and not confuse the usages of entropy     Quote So the actual configurational entropy is far higher than the shannon entropy we usually use to estimate the information content in DNA. What are you doing, Sal? Show your fucking working! You've had a good chat with Mike it's-about-energy Elzinga, then you start going all hand-wavy probabilistic on our asses about positional configurations! The code arose in a prebiotic soup? Try again! To paraphrase (I forget who) Judges in civil cases should have 3 options: 1) Find for the plaintiff 2) Find for the defendant 3) Get the fuck out of my court I think journal editors have a much simpler system 1) Send to on-call expert reviewer 2) Throw in trashcan Any time they see an abstract that contains that much stupid... it's going to the trashcan.  Do not pass go, do not collect $200. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

midwifetoad Posts: 3148 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,12:28    Gpuccio comes out of retirement to congratulate Upright. Quote Please, consider that the fundamental system that manages protein information, stores it in DNA, transcribes it in mRNA, and translates it into proteins by the 20 Synthetases, the tRNAs and the rybosomes, is universal in life. We have no evidence of any kind that life can exist without that. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-431057 So it's a cold case file. Nothing to see here. Move on. Move on. I will say that Upright's thesis has at last been decrapified. It is he and gpuccio against Szostak et al in the chemistry shootout. If I can use that word without causing hysteria. Upright was brave enough to email Shapiro. Perhaps he will be brave enough to email his argument to the OOL researchers. -------------- ... a poster child for irresponsible and deceitful misrepresentation of design theory on the Internet. http://tinyurl.com/9axtwbe....9axtwbe

dvunkannon Posts: 1360 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,12:55    Quote (Amadan @ Aug. 22 2012,19:46) Speaking as the only British (or at least, England and Wales) qualified lawyer who is likely to take an interest in this matter, I can say that KF really should have regard to the reply to the plaintiff in Pressdram Ltd v. Arkell. Nothing further occurs at this time. Surely Arkell was the plaintiff! -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

midwifetoad Posts: 3148 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,13:45    Upright continues (same link as above, plus 1). Quote Through an interesting turn of events, I was given the opportunity to have an audience with a physicist that many would consider an authority on these specific topics. I can say this with some confidence because his peers have already honored him as such more than once. There is no need in asking for his name because (#1) I do not have his permission to give it and (#2) I wouldn’t anyway. This man is an ardent materialist who was kind enough to review the larger argument I am making here and give me his response to it. I have no intentions of dragging him out to be slaughtered by the ideologues whom have already shown what they will do to anyone who would stain themselves by agreeing with an ID proponent. It’s not going to happen. The reason I bring this up is because I do intend on sharing the first line of his response. ... blah, blah, blah ,,, And in contrast, here is the first line in the response from a physicist motivated by evidence, without the emotional requirement to belittle and berate any perceived lesser person who holds a different opinion: Quote    I agree with everything you say, although I often use different terms. I try to stick with the vocabulary of physics as much as possible. This is just one example of the arbitrariness … Perhaps someone can translate this into something meaningful. -------------- ... a poster child for irresponsible and deceitful misrepresentation of design theory on the Internet. http://tinyurl.com/9axtwbe....9axtwbe

Patrick Posts: 459 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,13:47    Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 24 2012,14:45) Upright continues (same link as above, plus 1). Quote Through an interesting turn of events, I was given the opportunity to have an audience with a physicist that many would consider an authority on these specific topics. I can say this with some confidence because his peers have already honored him as such more than once. There is no need in asking for his name because (#1) I do not have his permission to give it and (#2) I wouldn’t anyway. This man is an ardent materialist who was kind enough to review the larger argument I am making here and give me his response to it. I have no intentions of dragging him out to be slaughtered by the ideologues whom have already shown what they will do to anyone who would stain themselves by agreeing with an ID proponent. It’s not going to happen. The reason I bring this up is because I do intend on sharing the first line of his response. ... blah, blah, blah ,,, And in contrast, here is the first line in the response from a physicist motivated by evidence, without the emotional requirement to belittle and berate any perceived lesser person who holds a different opinion: Quote    I agree with everything you say, although I often use different terms. I try to stick with the vocabulary of physics as much as possible. This is just one example of the arbitrariness … Perhaps someone can translate this into something meaningful. I passed that through the Creationst-Babble-to-English translator and came up with "Imma quote mine a made up source, bitches!"

JohnW Posts: 1934 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,13:57    Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 24 2012,11:45) Upright continues (same link as above, plus 1). Quote Through an interesting turn of events, I was given the opportunity to have an audience with a physicist that many would consider an authority on these specific topics. I can say this with some confidence because his peers have already honored him as such more than once. There is no need in asking for his name because (#1) I do not have his permission to give it and (#2) I wouldn’t anyway. This man is an ardent materialist who was kind enough to review the larger argument I am making here and give me his response to it. I have no intentions of dragging him out to be slaughtered by the ideologues whom have already shown what they will do to anyone who would stain themselves by agreeing with an ID proponent. It’s not going to happen. The reason I bring this up is because I do intend on sharing the first line of his response. ... blah, blah, blah ,,, And in contrast, here is the first line in the response from a physicist motivated by evidence, without the emotional requirement to belittle and berate any perceived lesser person who holds a different opinion: Quote    I agree with everything you say, although I often use different terms. I try to stick with the vocabulary of physics as much as possible. This is just one example of the arbitrariness … Perhaps someone can translate this into something meaningful. I'm guessing it's Jesus-makes-the-photons-go guy from a couple of weeks ago. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

Robin Posts: 1360 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,14:28    Quote (Patrick @ Aug. 24 2012,13:47) I passed that through the Creationst-Babble-to-English translator and came up with "Imma quote mine a made up source, bitches!" I don't think it's even a quote mine. It looks to me like an appeal to authority, a fallacy argument in and of itself. However, in this case it ranks right up there with appeal to pet. I mean really...a completely unnamed "authority" is cited as agreeing with KF's "argument"? Might as well have said his dog agrees with the argument for all the weight that carries... -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

OgreMkV Posts: 2924 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,14:31    Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 24 2012,13:57) Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 24 2012,11:45) Upright continues (same link as above, plus 1).   Quote Through an interesting turn of events, I was given the opportunity to have an audience with a physicist that many would consider an authority on these specific topics. I can say this with some confidence because his peers have already honored him as such more than once. There is no need in asking for his name because (#1) I do not have his permission to give it and (#2) I wouldn’t anyway. This man is an ardent materialist who was kind enough to review the larger argument I am making here and give me his response to it. I have no intentions of dragging him out to be slaughtered by the ideologues whom have already shown what they will do to anyone who would stain themselves by agreeing with an ID proponent. It’s not going to happen. The reason I bring this up is because I do intend on sharing the first line of his response. ... blah, blah, blah ,,, And in contrast, here is the first line in the response from a physicist motivated by evidence, without the emotional requirement to belittle and berate any perceived lesser person who holds a different opinion:   Quote    I agree with everything you say, although I often use different terms. I try to stick with the vocabulary of physics as much as possible. This is just one example of the arbitrariness … Perhaps someone can translate this into something meaningful. I'm guessing it's Jesus-makes-the-photons-go guy from a couple of weeks ago. Why would anyone not be willing to mention he spoke to someone? I had an e-mail conversation with Phil Plait two weeks ago.  I was trying to get him to write some stuff for me.  It's not that big a deal and he doesn't care if I say "hey, I talked to him". Oh wait...I get it... it's because UB never actually talked to the guy and if someone where to ask, there would be a lot of embarrassment for UB. Hey UprightBiped... trust me, being found out that you lied about talking with someone isn't 1/4 as embarrassing as your usual comments anyway.  Don't worry about that. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

JohnW Posts: 1934 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,14:41    Quote (Robin @ Aug. 24 2012,12:28) Quote (Patrick @ Aug. 24 2012,13:47) I passed that through the Creationst-Babble-to-English translator and came up with "Imma quote mine a made up source, bitches!" I don't think it's even a quote mine. It looks to me like an appeal to authority, a fallacy argument in and of itself. However, in this case it ranks right up there with appeal to pet. I mean really...a completely unnamed "authority" is cited as agreeing with KF's "argument"? Might as well have said his dog agrees with the argument for all the weight that carries... It's not just appeal to authority.  It also feeds the conspiracy theory - there are thousands of scientists who secretly support ID, but we can't name names or they'll be EXPELLED!!!! -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

midwifetoad Posts: 3148 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,14:47    I don't doubt he talked to someone. What's missing is what the guy agreed to. Hell, many of us agreed to the drivel he wrote. What's there to disagree with? He contradicts decades of ID dogma regarding the physicality of information. It seems to me that more than one of us were shown Mr. Leathers as a result of asserting that information always has a physical manifestation. So if he wants to open that Pandora's box, let him. I'm kind of surprised, though, that no one at UD noticed. But when he and gpuccio imply that the extant genetic code was present at first life and that replicators cannot exist with anything simpler, they are just blowing it out their asses. Suddenly it goes from pointless exercises in abstract logic to just making stuff up. -------------- ... a poster child for irresponsible and deceitful misrepresentation of design theory on the Internet. http://tinyurl.com/9axtwbe....9axtwbe

Soapy Sam Posts: 371 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,14:59    Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 24 2012,14:47) I don't doubt he talked to someone. What's missing is what the guy agreed to. Hell, many of us agreed to the drivel he wrote. What's there to disagree with? He contradicts decades of ID dogma regarding the physicality of information. It seems to me that more than one of us were shown Mr. Leathers as a result of asserting that information always has a physical manifestation. So if he wants to open that Pandora's box, let him. I'm kind of surprised, though, that no one at UD noticed. But when he and gpuccio imply that the extant genetic code was present at first life and that replicators cannot exist with anything simpler, they are just blowing it out their asses. Suddenly it goes from pointless exercises in abstract logic to just making stuff up. It doesn't even say anything. "I agree with everything you say, and it's an example of the arbitrariness ... " of? Things being arbitrary? Cactuses? Codon assignments are trivially arbitrary. Things can be 'arbitrary' in evolution. It (whatever it is) merely needs passing on to the next generation, with or without modification. I'd be fractionally more impressed if he had a pet molecular biologist. What do physicists really know about biochem? BA77, meanwhile, has noticeably not been popping up telling him that information is its own special 'thing', separate to physics - a contradiction that struck me last year with this. -------------- Evolutionists trust entropy for creation of life but are like men who horse a crocodile to get across a river - niwrad. The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

OgreMkV Posts: 2924 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2012,15:20    Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 24 2012,14:47) I don't doubt he talked to someone. What's missing is what the guy agreed to. Hell, many of us agreed to the drivel he wrote. What's there to disagree with? You're right. He correctly tenses verbs.  He mostly uses adjectives correctly.  He even knows how spell. I agree with much of the things he's written. The concepts that he writes about however... -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

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