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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2012,23:58   

Uptight Blowhard comes very late to the party...
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eigenstate, again, you have willfully failed to address the actual content of any of my specific rejoinders, going all the way back to your very first entry into the conversation. Virtually everything you say is based upon what you have thus far ignored, so I therefore feel no obligation to attempt a discussion with you.

If you care to address the conumdrum your force upon the evidence by misapplying the concept of physical information, then we can proceed.

...only to somehow learn of eigenstate's bannination. He acknowledges the banning with characteristic grace:
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wow. I see that missing eigenstate’s articulate incoherence is something I will have to endure.

edited to make more sense

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,00:01   

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,00:11   

WTF?    
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18 Patrick November 28, 2008 at 7:40 pm
   
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Are you going to simply zap everybody who politely and respectfully disagrees with you.

I won’t, but since you decided to throw insults in your last couple comments out you go. Instead of zapping your offending comment I left the insult intact since it’s relatively mild.

Since I don't think Patrick has deleting or banning priviliges, I assume this is damage from all of Barry's deleting and banning?

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,00:27   

UD Patrick is not AtBC Patrick. I once got banned by UD Patrick.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,03:04   

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If you care to address the conumdrum your force upon the evidence by misapplying the concept of physical information, then we can proceed.

Kind of sig worthy. Consistent with the spirit emanating from the camp of, say " stubborn misapplication of the concept of entropy."

That's it, guys. fingers in your ears.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,05:08   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 13 2012,17:34)
1. ID is real science, not religion!
2a. But we're all fundies.
2b. We just do science differently, by telling you what other science can't do, therefore ID
3. Because of this, we don't need labs.
4. We're 100% for free enquiry. End censorship! We even did a film on it.
5. We don't like peer review, though
6. And we don't like science blogs
7. But we have our own blog!
8. We get to pick the subjects (lots of Jesus)
9. And if you don't agree with us, you get banned.
10. And if you don't say what we want you get banned, before you've not said it.

All science so far!

Did I miss anything?

YEAH HOMO!

A TARDOLOGUE

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"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,05:16   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 13 2012,20:57)
gordon elliott mullings, god-like practitioner of impeccable morals, integrity, courtesy, compassion, humility, honesty, and all around nice guy says:

"PS: Since we are plainly dealing with those who will gleefully snip words out of context and maliciously twist them to try to deride, denigrate and dismiss –as we saw so plainly across the week and weekend past, let me explain. Do, be patient; we are dealing with willful, hostility driven twisters at sites like AtBC and Anti Evo, not fair minded and civil participants in dialogue."

two faced liar

HEY GORDO PULL UR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!

WHY DON'T YOU FIND SOMEPLACE WHERE THE EARTH WILL SWALLOW YOU UP?

...UH....JUST STAY WHERE YOU ARE.

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,05:23   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 14 2012,00:31)
Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 13 2012,17:28)
Quote (REC @ Feb. 13 2012,22:15)
I like that the posting software melts down along with Barry. Unnumbered posts, posts with the same number, timestamps out of order, and non-nested replies. People referring to and quoting from comments that aren't there.

Yeah, by coincidence the same thing happened a lot to Salvador Corwegotfuckedindova.

We are all too suspicious; these are clearly the necessary birth pangs of a revolution we're witnessing.

PAIRADIME SHIFT!!!!1!!!

ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

iS THAT A NEW PARADIGM JIM?

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,05:44   

The face of UD to come

5 responses.  3 marked OT by batshit as he just cannot resist spamming a thread with his BS links. 1 post by ScottAndrews2 before Robert Byers brings the misogny:
     
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Men were created by God to serve God and do well in so doing.
Women were only created to help men(husbands) in this.
they have less of the innate motivation to achieve.
Fighting is just about conflicts between people and men simply have more and they are important.

It can’t be beat that women and men are very different in the sexual identity motivations and purposes.

If Denyse were a real woman she would beat him around the head for those statements (I know ... I know ...).  Apparently birds of a Canadian feather are thicker than water. Or something like that.

I can't image she would let this shit go if she didn't have to take the big tent into consideration.  Alternatively, maybe she agrees with him.

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,07:12   

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If Denyse were a real woman she would beat him around the head for those statements (I know ... I know ...).  Apparently birds of a Canadian feather are thicker than water. Or something like that.

I can't image she would let this shit go if she didn't have to take the big tent into consideration.  Alternatively, maybe she agrees with him.

He will see the light and realize that ID is his future too.

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YEC creationists denigrate science without an inkling of what their lives would be without it. YEC creationism is an enrageous, abominable insult to the the human intellect.
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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,07:23   

i bet batsh^t gets laid constantly

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,07:50   

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 13 2012,22:56)
 
Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 13 2012,20:41)
Hi all.  Haven't checked in here for a while, but I see the tard-mines are still rich with ore.

Hi, Herm!  I've concluded that tard is a renewable resource, praise be to the Designer!

Just give thanks we live in such a time of tard as this.



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Tard Acquisition and Repository Department

   
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,08:26   

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 14 2012,08:50)
Quote (keiths @ Feb. 13 2012,22:56)
 
Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 13 2012,20:41)
Hi all.  Haven't checked in here for a while, but I see the tard-mines are still rich with ore.

Hi, Herm!  I've concluded that tard is a renewable resource, praise be to the Designer!

Just give thanks we live in such a time of tard as this.


it's true!  this was like the goodle days

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,08:48   

Read this whilst thinking of UD:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....t_Abuse

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,08:50   

Just think, this unscrupulous, deluded shyster could someday be a judge:

arrington's idea of overwhelming evidence and FACT

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,09:58   

Has anyone ever written up the evidence for Jesus as a courtroom drama, with the writers of the gospels cross examined in light of recent scholarship into the actual authorships?

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,10:07   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 13 2012,23:32)
Kairosfocus gives a QM lecture:

   
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The predominant concept of the benzine ring structure; sometimes this is viewed as a superposition of individual bond structures. At any rate the possibility of quantum systems based on superposed "parent" states is acknowledged. indeed, this is held to be so for, for instance, the Carboxylic acid group, -COOH


1) Individual bond structures are not wave functions, so their combination is not superposition.  In superposition states you can collapse the wave function to one term.
You cannot get kekule' benzene.
2) The orbital approximation uses PRODUCTS of one electron functions called orbitals.  Superpositions are sums.
3) Additional improvements are to better describe a single stationary state.
4) COOH has a bouble bond and a single bond.  COO- has two identical C-O bonds

Entangled photons at LHC - now thats-a superpositiona!

Well, yeah, but "Comments are closed."  So there!

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,10:07   

It begins. Robert Byers:
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Men were created by God to serve God and do well in so doing.
Women were only created to help men(husbands) in this.
they have less of the innate motivation to achieve.
Fighting is just about conflicts between people and men simply have more and they are important.

It can’t be beat that women and men are very different in the sexual identity motivations and purposes.

Upright BiPed:
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Byers, would put a sock in it. Seriously.


They are going to tear each other apart! Hopefully....

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-420340

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Lowell



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,10:29   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 14 2012,08:50)
Just think, this unscrupulous, deluded shyster could someday be a judge:

arrington's idea of overwhelming evidence and FACT

Christ, that was painful to read. But I was rewarded with a new sig line! Thanks!

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,10:29   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 14 2012,09:58)
Has anyone ever written up the evidence for Jesus as a courtroom drama, with the writers of the gospels cross examined in light of recent scholarship into the actual authorships?

I just read this article: http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier....255

And the one he links to about Ignatian Vexation.

After even a cursory reading and if he's even 10% accurate, then there is little to no verifiable evidence.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,11:30   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 14 2012,09:50)
Just think, this unscrupulous, deluded shyster could someday be a judge:

arrington's idea of overwhelming evidence and FACT

You mean stuff like this:
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“The problem here is that after 2,000 years, it is impossible to prove something like, say, the resurrection.”

Well, it depends on what you are willing to accept for proof. If you are willing to accept the overwhelming historical record, including hundreds of eyewitnesses, then yes the resurrection can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

followed by this:
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I never said we have the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses. I said the record states there were hundreds of eyewitnesses.

A record written decades after the alleged events by persons unknown with political axes to grind, Barry?  This is what passes for evidence in Colorado courts?

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,11:40   

Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 14 2012,11:30)
Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 14 2012,09:50)
Just think, this unscrupulous, deluded shyster could someday be a judge:

arrington's idea of overwhelming evidence and FACT

You mean stuff like this:
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“The problem here is that after 2,000 years, it is impossible to prove something like, say, the resurrection.”

Well, it depends on what you are willing to accept for proof. If you are willing to accept the overwhelming historical record, including hundreds of eyewitnesses, then yes the resurrection can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

followed by this:
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I never said we have the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses. I said the record states there were hundreds of eyewitnesses.

A record written decades after the alleged events by persons unknown with political axes to grind, Barry?  This is what passes for evidence in Colorado courts?

We know that talking lions exist because "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is set partly in London, which is a real city even to this day and is historically documented through various sources. Plus Aslan's death was witnessed independently by Lucy, Susan, the white witch and and bunch of talking forest creatures.

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,11:47   

Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 14 2012,09:30)
Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 14 2012,09:50)
Just think, this unscrupulous, deluded shyster could someday be a judge:

arrington's idea of overwhelming evidence and FACT

You mean stuff like this:
 
Quote
“The problem here is that after 2,000 years, it is impossible to prove something like, say, the resurrection.”

Well, it depends on what you are willing to accept for proof. If you are willing to accept the overwhelming historical record, including hundreds of eyewitnesses, then yes the resurrection can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

followed by this:
 
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I never said we have the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses. I said the record states there were hundreds of eyewitnesses.

A record written decades after the alleged events by persons unknown with political axes to grind, Barry?  This is what passes for evidence in Colorado courts?

So... if I say a thousand people saw Arrington raping a duck, that's exactly the same as a thousand people saying they saw him raping a duck.  Good to know.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,11:49   

The great thing about writing this up as a courtroom drama is that you can present it exactly as it is, the opinions of people.

My text is here:

http://www.amazon.com/Forged-....2012614


ETA:

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Because of his history (not in spite of it), Ehrman writes with understanding and sympathy about what believers take as true about the New Testament, while pulling no punches in taking on the nature of ancient forgery, how it was viewed by scholars and the public during the ancient period, the motivations and intents that might lead to forgery, and so forth.


That's the cool part. Looking at very old scholarship that wasn't done by sneering atheists.

Edited by midwifetoad on Feb. 14 2012,11:53

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,13:40   

Unpleasant Blowhard:



Hey, we've got quite a pile of discarded socks over here...

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,14:42   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2012,11:40)
Unpleasant Blowhard:



Hey, we've got quite a pile of discarded socks over here...

I wonder if this is "I find this offensive!" or "Shhh!  Not in front of the onlookers!"

If I saw this elsewhere I wouldn't feel a need to ask, but UD, and Uptight MoPed, have long since blown through their benefit-of-the-doubt points.

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,14:51   

Barry's latest (emphasis added):
 
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The law of non-contradiction (“LNC”) states that for any proposition “A,” A cannot be both true and false at the same time and in the same formal relation.

The existence of the LNC is the very basis of all argumentation, and anyone who denies it also denies meaning, order, truth and logic. For obvious reasons, therefore, it is not only useless but also affirmatively harmful to the search for truth to argue with someone who refuses to admit unambiguously the LNC. Arguing with a person who denies the basis for argument is self-defeating and can lead only to confusion. Only a fool or a charlatan denies the LNC, and this site will not be a platform from which fools and charlatans will be allowed to spew their noxious inanities.

For that reason, I am today announcing a new moderation policy at UD. At any time the moderator reserves the right to ask the following question to any person who would comment or continue to comment on this site: “Can the moon exist and not exist at the same time and in the same formal relation?” The answer to this question is either “yes” or “no.” If the person gives any answer other than the single word “no,” he or she will immediately be deemed not worth arguing with and therefore banned from this site.

We will start with Petrushka to demonstrate the application of the policy. Petrushka, can the moon exist and not exist at the same time and in the same formal relation?

My opinion: bizarre.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,14:56   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 14 2012,12:51)
Barry's latest (emphasis added):
   
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The law of non-contradiction (“LNC”) states that for any proposition “A,” A cannot be both true and false at the same time and in the same formal relation.

The existence of the LNC is the very basis of all argumentation, and anyone who denies it also denies meaning, order, truth and logic. For obvious reasons, therefore, it is not only useless but also affirmatively harmful to the search for truth to argue with someone who refuses to admit unambiguously the LNC. Arguing with a person who denies the basis for argument is self-defeating and can lead only to confusion. Only a fool or a charlatan denies the LNC, and this site will not be a platform from which fools and charlatans will be allowed to spew their noxious inanities.

For that reason, I am today announcing a new moderation policy at UD. At any time the moderator reserves the right to ask the following question to any person who would comment or continue to comment on this site: “Can the moon exist and not exist at the same time and in the same formal relation?” The answer to this question is either “yes” or “no.” If the person gives any answer other than the single word “no,” he or she will immediately be deemed not worth arguing with and therefore banned from this site.

We will start with Petrushka to demonstrate the application of the policy. Petrushka, can the moon exist and not exist at the same time and in the same formal relation?

My opinion: bizarre.

And arrogantly prickish.

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,14:57   

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Petrushka February 14, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I accept the definitional foundation of logic.

I also accept the findings of physics which make the concept of physical existence rather complicated. That just means that physical is not the same as the ideal, just as a physical circle is not an ideal circle.

I thought this was something generally agreed upon. I thought it was the foundation of Plato’s thought.

But to answer the specific question, in formal logic, the moon cannot both exist and not exist.

The question faced by physics is somewhat different.

UD Moderator: That’s not “no” Petrushka. Goodbye.


Wow

Edited by REC on Feb. 14 2012,14:57

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,15:06   

so barry has distilled the arbiter of UDiness down to a nonsense proposition

that's so fucking appropriate that the angels just came in unison

holy jesus christ on the moon colony i am floating

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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