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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2014,13:21   

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Little cards fall out of the evolution books in my local library. 'Find out the truth about evolution', and a website. Some saddo with too much time on their hands.

But did the card person read any of those books?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2014,02:21   

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Little cards fall out of the evolution books in my local library. 'Find out the truth about evolution', and a website. Some saddo with too much time on their hands.

But did the card person read any of those books?

Seems unlikely! Once I'd spotted one, I checked out others with evolutionary titles, and out they popped. Wandered over to the religion section, and the God Delusion was similarly targetted. Someone else had gone through an autobiography and pencilled out the expletives.

We're not exactly a hotbed of fundamentalism, here in rural NW England, but one encounters the odd one. Overheard a chap in a pub the other day loudly declaiming that evolution cannot be true because there is no possible explanation for the cuckoo ...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2014,04:21   

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Overheard a chap in a pub the other day loudly declaiming that evolution cannot be true because there is no possible explanation for the cuckoo ...

His wife could explain.

Probably won't, though...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2014,07:14   

Quote (Amadan @ May 22 2014,10:21)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ May 22 2014,08:21)
Overheard a chap in a pub the other day loudly declaiming that evolution cannot be true because there is no possible explanation for the cuckoo ...

His wife could explain.

Probably won't, though...

Heh heh.

Certainly one of the dumbest 'evolution can't explain...''s I've come across. Getting another species to do all the nest building and rearing? Nope, impossible to see how selection could favour that, or any subsequent egg mimicry.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2014,11:03   

Quote (Amadan @ May 22 2014,02:21)
Quote (Soapy Sam @ May 22 2014,08:21)
Overheard a chap in a pub the other day loudly declaiming that evolution cannot be true because there is no possible explanation for the cuckoo ...

His wife could explain.

Probably won't, though...

[Joe]
Your position can't explain pubs.
[/Joe]

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2014,06:16   

Hey joey g, since you undoubtedly read this thread, will you list five things that are due to "nature operating freely"? In other words, five things in nature that were/are not designed by the so-called intelligent designer (aka allah in your religious beliefs). The five things can be objects, events, or processes, and they can be on Earth or elsewhere.

You have been asked to do this many times but you always run away. Why? Don't you have confidence in your ID research tools? Isn't your basement lab well stocked with ID research tools and don't you already have ample ID test results that you can turn to and rely on to name five things? Five non-designed things should be real easy to list, and so should ten, fifty, or even a thousand things. Let's start with five. How about it, coward?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2014,06:50   

An oldie and a goodie:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ed.html

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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2014,09:49   

Quote (The whole truth @ May 27 2014,07:50)
An oldie and a goodie:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009.......ed.html

He's a nice melange of stupid, aggressive, and glib.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2014,20:56   

Poor old Chubbers. He's in full on comment suppression, were you there? Creationism mode now. Calling everyone else a liar but unable to deal with the long list of his own untruths.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2014,07:56   

Hey joey, since you won't let me and some other people comment at your blog, maybe you'll come here and show us how smart you are by answering some questions (in addition to the ones already asked of you). For instance, on your blog you say:

"Reliable Methodology for Detecting Design
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Well first you have to eliminate necessity and chance as possible causes of what you are investigating."

I'm curious about the "necessity" part. Will you explain how "necessity" is related to non-designed evolution but not to ID? Were/are the particulars/processes of ID designed just for the fun of it by allah, whereas the particulars/processes of non-designed evolution are due to "necessity" (and chance)? Wouldn't "necessity" be more pertinent to ID than to non-designed evolution since "necessity" implies either deliberate intervention by 'the designer' (allah in your case) or the designed-in, front-loaded ability to foresee environmental pressures/changes and the ability to consciously adapt (biologically) to pressures/changes?

I'm curious about something else too: Will you explain in detail how extinctions fit into ID, and will you also explain how abnormal organisms fit into ID, especially when the abnormalities are detrimental? By "abnormal" I mean things like albinos, gynandromorphs, two-headed people and turtles, 6 legged deer, no legged people, animals and people born blind and/or deaf, intersex people, infertile people and animals, schizophrenic people, people with Down's Syndrome, etc., etc., etc.

Edited by The whole truth on May 29 2014,06:06

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2014,16:14   

sez joeg:
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Reliable Methodology for Detecting Design
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Well first you have to eliminate necessity and chance as possible causes of what you are investigating.

JoeG is perpetuating an error made by many another IDCreationist before him: Namely, that "necessity" and "chance" are causes.

They aren't.

If I choose to interpret JoeG's words in a maximally charitable manner, I understand him as saying that "necessity" and "chance" are labels which apply to entire categories of causes, and you need to rule out all causes in the "necessity" category, plus all causes in the "chance" category, before you can conclude "yep, that there dingus were Designed, alright". Sadly, Joe's track record on these matters is such that the maximally charitable interpretation, in this case, is clearly not what he means to say. JoeG really does think that "necessity" is a cause unto itself, or least that there's a practical protocol by which one can rule out all "necessity"-type causes in one fell swoop, and likewise, JoeG thinks the same of "chance".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2014,16:25   

Quote (Cubist @ May 29 2014,17:14)
sez joeg:
 
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Reliable Methodology for Detecting Design
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Well first you have to eliminate necessity and chance as possible causes of what you are investigating.

JoeG is perpetuating an error made by many another IDCreationist before him: Namely, that "necessity" and "chance" are causes.

They aren't.

If I choose to interpret JoeG's words in a maximally charitable manner, I understand him as saying that "necessity" and "chance" are labels which apply to entire categories of causes, and you need to rule out all causes in the "necessity" category, plus all causes in the "chance" category, before you can conclude "yep, that there dingus were Designed, alright". Sadly, Joe's track record on these matters is such that the maximally charitable interpretation, in this case, is clearly not what he means to say. JoeG really does think that "necessity" is a cause unto itself, or least that there's a practical protocol by which one can rule out all "necessity"-type causes in one fell swoop, and likewise, JoeG thinks the same of "chance".

Big problem for him there -- necessity drives the binding of hydrogen and oxygen to make water (yes, including ice, Joe) but both free hydrogen and free oxygen exist.
A fair (standard) die will roll an integer between one and six, but chance determines which integer will be rolled on any given throw.
Etc.
Worse, 'design' is not a cause.  There's tons of designs that are never manufactured, and tons of shit that's manufactured but not according to the proposed design.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2014,10:24   

Necessity is when you are forced to guffaw by a proud creotard display of sedulously cultivated ignorance.

Chance is when a random nugget of tard in an ostensibly scientific comment provokes an uncontrollable ripping snort of hilarity.

Design is when ones lays the ground for a thunderous storm of delighted applause and cheers by means of a carefully laid track of leading questions and oblique references, leading one's pet creotard to contradict themselves, another creotard, or (best of all!) explode in a display of truly Christ-like profanity and bannination.

Joe has never disappointed on any, thereby proving both design and non-design. Therefore Buddhadidit.



Edited by stevestory on May 31 2014,13:57

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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2014,13:29   

Quote (Amadan @ May 30 2014,10:24)
Necessity is when you are forced to guffaw by a proud creotard display of sedulously cultivated ignorance.

Chance is when a random nugget of tard in an ostensibly scientific comment provokes an uncontrollable ripping snort of hilarity.

Design is when ones lays the ground for a thunderous storm of delighted applause and cheers by means of a carefully laid track of leading questions and oblique references, leading one's pet creotard to contradict themselves, another creotard, or (best of all!) explode in a display of truly Christ-like profanity and bannination.

Joe has never disappointed on any, thereby proving both design and non-design. Therefore Buddhadidit.

post of the week

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2014,00:31   

What if Joe would look up Brownian motion?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2014,07:48   

Friday Meltdown

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2014,08:50   

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What if Joe would look up Brownian motion?

He'd think you were referring to peristalsis in the lower digestive tract.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2014,09:00   

Quote (Zachriel @ May 31 2014,07:48)
Friday Meltdown

It was always going to end like that. Well done for showing restraint, Zach. Joe keeps adding to that monument to his own stupidity.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2014,13:26   

Quote (Amadan @ May 31 2014,08:50)
 
Quote (Quack @ May 31 2014,06:31)
What if Joe would look up Brownian motion?

He'd think you were referring to peristalsis in the lower digestive tract.

Oh shit - but thanks for the laffs anyway...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2014,17:59   

Brownian motion? Understanding that should be elementary!

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2014,00:24   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 31 2014,09:00)
Quote (Zachriel @ May 31 2014,07:48)
Friday Meltdown

It was always going to end like that. Well done for showing restraint, Zach. Joe keeps adding to that monument to his own stupidity.

I've got to hand it to you Zach, that was a fail of epic proportions on Joe's part.   If you wanted a list of all the fundamental mistakes that creationists make, you'd have 4/5s of the list on that thread.

My favorite of course is Joey whining that a paper doesn't have to have the words "Intelligent Design" in them to support intelligent design, but papers that don't have "unguided processes" cannot support evolution.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2014,00:39   

The other thing I wanted to point out was that Joey expects us, by knowing about evolution, to predict the results of evolution far into the future (i.e. how a fish would become a tetrapod instead of slithery thing).

What's interesting is that we cannot do this. We can predict that changes will happen in response to changes in the environment and other organisms, but we cannot predict the specific changes. Almost as if evolution is... well... random.

Then there's this "unguided" issue. I mean, when people have tried to guide evolution, it rarely works out well. Sure, we get dachshunds, with their back problems and the like. But when we try to keep things one way, they keep changing. Even Ann whatshername had that happen in her "ID lab" (that may or may not be a CGI effect).

Any time 'guidance' is attempted it fails. The implication, of course, is that guidance and evolution don't work well together... unless you're a designer that can predict the future state of everything (like mutations in all species, and the environment), which is why I maintain that knowing the designer is important.

So, just comparing Joe to reality, Joe fails. It's not at all surprising, just wanted to be specific about it.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2014,02:19   

Quote (Henry J @ May 31 2014,17:59)
Brownian motion? Understanding that should be elementary!

Henry

Indeed, but would Joe get the point - that random != non-causal?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2014,02:25   

Quote (Zachriel @ May 31 2014,13:48)
Friday Meltdown

Quoth Joe "Ooops Darwin didn't know of ATP synthase. No wonder most evos distance themselves from him."

Several shades of dumb.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2014,02:46   

Quote (Zachriel @ May 31 2014,13:48)
Friday Meltdown

Fucking comedy gold!

Joe:
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Creationist: "God Created fish and God Created tetrapods. I bet if we look we will find that God also Created fishapods."

Prediction fulfilled.


Heh heh. I wonder where said prediction was made? Have they predicted batomice and duckogeese too? In fact, are they generally in the habit of predicting a continuum of species?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2014,10:37   

Chubs has been spanked and so is back to full censorship mode. This will continue until the_Ronrey becomes to much.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2014,11:28   

He ought to rename his blog "Circular Reasoning".

How do you know there is a designer?

Because things contain specified complex information.

Who created the specification?

The designer.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2014,21:55   

As long as that circular reasoning doesn't lead to going off on tangents!

Has there been any sine of that?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2014,07:32   

Quote (Henry J @ June 03 2014,03:55)
As long as that circular reasoning doesn't lead to going off on tangents!

Has there been any sine of that?

That struck a chord.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2014,07:57   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 03 2014,07:32)
Quote (Henry J @ June 03 2014,03:55)
As long as that circular reasoning doesn't lead to going off on tangents!

Has there been any sine of that?

That struck a chord.

Here we go again, round and round, just an infinite cycle repeating itself.

There's a series of these all over this thread. Feels like Deja vu from the Matrix.

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