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Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,12:46    Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 08 2019,12:40) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 08 2019,10:51) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 08 2019,10:27) I'm tremendously amused because for some unknown reason Joke thinks I'm posting at UD as Reapers Plague.   :D   I haven't posted at UD since the Dave Scot days but Joke is having a shit-fit trying to get RP banned as my sock.  Too funny!   :D I’m jealous. Usually he accuses people of being me. He’s getting worse.  He’s trying to accuse me of being Ogre lately. You are as ignorant, and willfully so, as he is. So there's that -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,08:33    With evolution the random nature of mutations means they are chance events- not planned, they are accidents, errors and mistakes. Acartia Eddie: Quote No, it doesn’t mean that they are chance events. Ernst Mayr disagrees with you: Quote The first step in selection, the production of genetic variation, is almost exclusively a chance phenomenon except that the nature of the changes at a given locus is strongly constrained. You lose, again Quote And, as they are not planned, it is not possible for them to be errors or mistakes. That doesn't follow. However evolutionary biologists do call them errors and mistakes- copying errors, as in the copy is not the same as the thing being copied because of an error or mistake in the process. The accident part comes from DNA damage due to some mutagen. Acartia Eddie, proudly ignorant of mainstream evolutionary biology -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:10    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,08:33) That doesn't follow. However evolutionary biologists do call them errors and mistakes- copying errors, as in the copy is not the same as the thing being copied because of an error or mistake in the process. Joke the dumbass gets the science wrong again.   Yes science writers sometimes refer to imperfect genetic copying as "errors or mistakes" as a simplified first order approximation to explain the concept to laymen.    The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected.  New mutations are simply unpredictable variations which naturally occur in the process. We understand you're too stupid to get it and have to resort to the usual YEC rhetorical word games to try and score your ignorant YEC points.  Looks like you failed again Joke.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:21    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:10) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,08:33) That doesn't follow. However evolutionary biologists do call them errors and mistakes- copying errors, as in the copy is not the same as the thing being copied because of an error or mistake in the process. Yes science writers sometimes refer to imperfect genetic copying as "errors or mistakes" as a simplified first order approximation to explain the concept to laymen.    The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected.  New mutations are simply variations which naturally occur in the process. Evolutionary biologists aren't just science writers, dipshit. Evolutionary biologists refer to them as errors or mistakes in textbooks and peer-reviewed articles. And yes, we now know that genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity because we know that errors and mistakes happen. Proof-reading and error correction takes care of many of them- strange that there is a proof-reading and error-correction mechanism. Their existence proves that timmy is an ignorant ass. "It ain't no error correction. The experts don't know nuthin'" And fuck your cowardly equivocation. with respect to "natural". Things that are artificial are still natural because they exist in nature. The entire debate is whether or not they are spontaneous- as in accidents, errors and mistakes. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:27    Google Scholar refutes tattle-tale timmy: Mutations as copying errors -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:34    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:21) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:10)   Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,08:33) That doesn't follow. However evolutionary biologists do call them errors and mistakes- copying errors, as in the copy is not the same as the thing being copied because of an error or mistake in the process. Yes science writers sometimes refer to imperfect genetic copying as "errors or mistakes" as a simplified first order approximation to explain the concept to laymen.    The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected.  New mutations are simply variations which naturally occur in the process. Evolutionary biologists refer to them as errors or mistakes in textbooks and peer-reviewed articles. As simplified anthropomorphic terms to help explain the concept dipshit.  Just as I explained above.   Those who understand the science know the use of anthropomorphic terms for clarity does NOT represent the reality.  But you're way too stupid to understand. BTW dumbfuck if your "Design" claims are correct then these variations can't be "errors or mistakes" because they were DESIGNED to happen. Way to contradict yourself again you ignorant dumbass.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:42    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:34) Yes science writers sometimes refer to imperfect genetic copying as "errors or mistakes" as a simplified first order approximation to explain the concept to laymen.    The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected.  New mutations are simply variations which naturally occur in the process.[/quote] Evolutionary biologists refer to them as errors or mistakes in textbooks and peer-reviewed articles.[/quote] As simplified anthropomorphic terms to help explain the concept dipshit.  Just as I explained above.   Those who understand the science know the use of anthropomorphic terms for clarity does NOT represent the reality.  But you're way too stupid to understand. They also do this with the metaphor of genetic ‘code’.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:46    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:34) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:21)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:10)   Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,08:33) That doesn't follow. However evolutionary biologists do call them errors and mistakes- copying errors, as in the copy is not the same as the thing being copied because of an error or mistake in the process. Yes science writers sometimes refer to imperfect genetic copying as "errors or mistakes" as a simplified first order approximation to explain the concept to laymen.    The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected.  New mutations are simply variations which naturally occur in the process. Evolutionary biologists aren't just science writers, dipshit. Evolutionary biologists refer to them as errors or mistakes in textbooks and peer-reviewed articles. And yes, we now know that genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity because we know that errors and mistakes happen. Proof-reading and error correction takes care of many of them- strange that there is a proof-reading and error-correction mechanism. Their existence proves that timmy is an ignorant ass. "It ain't no error correction. The experts don't know nuthin'" And fuck your cowardly equivocation. with respect to "natural". Things that are artificial are still natural because they exist in nature. The entire debate is whether or not they are spontaneous- as in accidents, errors and mistakes. As simplified anthropomorphic terms to help explain the concept dipshit.   if your "Design" claims are correct then these variations can't be "errors or mistakes" because they were DESIGNED to happen. Look, moron, just because we expect them to happen does NO mean they cannot be errors or mistakes. The literature is clear that they are errors and mistakes. There is a proof-reading process and an error-correction process. It proof-reads because it is expecting something. It corrects the error when the expectation isn't met. And as I have told you many, many times, ID does say that mutations are designed to happen but that errors and mistakes still creep in. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:47    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 09 2019,10:42)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:34)   Quote (Joke G @ Dec. 09 2019,11:34)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:34) Yes science writers sometimes refer to imperfect genetic copying as "errors or mistakes" as a simplified first order approximation to explain the concept to laymen.    The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected.  New mutations are simply variations which naturally occur in the process. Evolutionary biologists refer to them as errors or mistakes in textbooks and peer-reviewed articles. As simplified anthropomorphic terms to help explain the concept dipshit.  Just as I explained above.   Those who understand the science know the use of anthropomorphic terms for clarity does NOT represent the reality.  But you're way too stupid to understand. They also do this with the metaphor of genetic ‘code’. Yep.  Joke is out of things to scream about so now we're going to get this rehashed rhetorical bullshit for a week.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:48    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 09 2019,10:42) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:34) Yes science writers sometimes refer to imperfect genetic copying as "errors or mistakes" as a simplified first order approximation to explain the concept to laymen.    The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected.  New mutations are simply variations which naturally occur in the process. Evolutionary biologists refer to them as errors or mistakes in textbooks and peer-reviewed articles.[/quote] As simplified anthropomorphic terms to help explain the concept dipshit.  Just as I explained above.   Those who understand the science know the use of anthropomorphic terms for clarity does NOT represent the reality.  But you're way too stupid to understand.[/quote] They also do this with the metaphor of genetic ‘code’. You are a retard. The genetic code is a real code. It is called a code because it fits the definition of a code. Even Larry Moran says it's a code: Real Genetic Code -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:49    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:47) Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 09 2019,10:42)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:34)     Quote (Joke G @ Dec. 09 2019,11:34)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:34) Yes science writers sometimes refer to imperfect genetic copying as "errors or mistakes" as a simplified first order approximation to explain the concept to laymen.    The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected.  New mutations are simply variations which naturally occur in the process. Evolutionary biologists refer to them as errors or mistakes in textbooks and peer-reviewed articles. As simplified anthropomorphic terms to help explain the concept dipshit.  Just as I explained above.   Those who understand the science know the use of anthropomorphic terms for clarity does NOT represent the reality.  But you're way too stupid to understand. They also do this with the metaphor of genetic ‘code’. Yep. Wow. How ignorant are you fuckers? Again, I will side with how the experts use the terms over what you ignorant evoTARDs have to say. Real Genetic Code -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:51    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:46) There is a proof-reading process and an error-correction process. More anthropomorphic language to explain the concept dipshit.  Christ but you're a thick one.   Quote And as I have told you many, many times, ID does say that mutations are designed to happen but that errors and mistakes still creep in. If they're designed to happen then they're not errors or mistakes dumbfuck.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:52    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:10) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,08:33) That doesn't follow. However evolutionary biologists do call them errors and mistakes- copying errors, as in the copy is not the same as the thing being copied because of an error or mistake in the process.  The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected. BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Because we know they are going to happen they ain't no error or mistake? Really? So when kids are expected to get wrong answers on their tests they really didn't get any wrong answers? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:54    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:49) Again, I will side with how the experts use the terms Here comes the dumbass Joke with the stupid rhetorical arguments and equivocation over definition of "code", exactly as predicted.   Sadly we've all seen Joke's clown show a hundred times so there's never anything new. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:54    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:51) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:46) There is a proof-reading process and an error-correction process. More anthropomorphic language to explain the concept dipshit.     Quote And as I have told you many, many times, ID does say that mutations are designed to happen but that errors and mistakes still creep in. If they're designed to happen then they're not errors or mistakes dumbfuck.   The language fits what is going on, moron. Again, the experts use the words to fit what is going on. And as I have told you many, many times, ID does say that mutations are designed to happen but that errors and mistakes still creep in. Just because cars are designed doesn't mean accidents don't happen, dipshit -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:55    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:54) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:49) Again, I will side with how the experts use the terms Here comes the dumbass Joke with the stupid rhetorical arguments and equivocation over definition of "code", exactly as predicted.   Look, just because YOU are an ignorant asshole, that doesn't mean I am equivocating over the definition of the word "code". YOU cannot show that I am equivocating. YOU are a piece-of-shit ignorant asshole -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:57    You are a retard. The genetic code is a real code. It is called a code because it fits the definition of a code. Even Larry Moran says it's a code: Real Genetic Code -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:57    Look, moron, just because we expect them to happen does NO mean they cannot be errors or mistakes. The literature is clear that they are errors and mistakes. There is a proof-reading process and an error-correction process. It proof-reads because it is expecting something. It corrects the error when the expectation isn't met. And as I have told you many, many times, ID does say that mutations are designed to happen but that errors and mistakes still creep in. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,10:59    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:52)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:10)   Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,08:33) That doesn't follow. However evolutionary biologists do call them errors and mistakes- copying errors, as in the copy is not the same as the thing being copied because of an error or mistake in the process.  The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected. Because we know they are going to happen they ain't no error or mistake? Really? Really dumbass.  "Error or mistake" assumes a planned for and expected result.   That is not the case in imperfect genetic copying. How long are you going to bore everyone with these stupid rhetorical games?   You usual span for repeating your mindless stupidity is 3-5 days. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:01    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:54) Just because cars are designed doesn't mean accidents don't happen, So every individual car coming off the assembly line has new features and modifications added at random? Christ you're a fucking dumbass.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:01    Why the genetic code is a REAL code- mRNA codons REPRESENT specific amino acids. mRNA codons do NOT become their respective amino acids via some chemical process. The coding is arbitrary in that it is NOT determined by a physio-chemical process. Again the mRNA codons REPRESENT, but do NOT become, their respective amino acids. And to top it off the ribosome is a genetic compiler that takes the source code of mRNA codons and produces the object code of a protein. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:02    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:01) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:54) Just because cars are designed doesn't mean accidents don't happen, So every individual car coming off the assembly line has new features and modifications added at random? That doesn't follow and exposes your ignorance and desperation -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:03    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:59) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:52)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,10:10)     Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,08:33) That doesn't follow. However evolutionary biologists do call them errors and mistakes- copying errors, as in the copy is not the same as the thing being copied because of an error or mistake in the process.  The reality is genetic copying is not expected to occur with 100% fidelity every time so new mutations cannot be "errors or mistakes" which would imply 100% fidelity was expected. Because we know they are going to happen they ain't no error or mistake? Really?  "Error or mistake" assumes a planned for and expected result.   Proof-reading and error correction say there was an expected result, moron -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:04    Mutations as copying errors It is very telling that I have supported my claims with actual references and all timmy has is timmy -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:05    Look, moron, just because we expect them to happen does NO mean they cannot be errors or mistakes. The literature is clear that they are errors and mistakes. There is a proof-reading process and an error-correction process. It proof-reads because it is expecting something. It corrects the error when the expectation isn't met. And as I have told you many, many times, ID does say that mutations are designed to happen but that errors and mistakes still creep in. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:05    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:57) And as I have told you many, many times, ID does say that mutations are designed to happen but that errors and mistakes still creep in. How do you tell the difference between a mutation the Designer wanted and an "error or mistake" which crept in? How does the Designer end up with the finished product it wanted if these errors and mistakes happen with every individual? Keep sticking that foot deeper into your mouth Chubs.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:07    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,11:02) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:01)   Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:54) Just because cars are designed doesn't mean accidents don't happen, So every individual car coming off the assembly line has new features and modifications added at random? That doesn't follow and exposes your ignorance and desperation Joke sticks his foot in his mouth again, has no answer but insults.  As usual.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:08    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:05) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:57) And as I have told you many, many times, ID does say that mutations are designed to happen but that errors and mistakes still creep in. How do you tell the difference between a mutation the Designer wanted and an "error or mistake" which crept in? How does the Designer end up with the finished product it wanted if these errors and mistakes happen with every individual? Read "Not BY Chance" it only came out 22 years ago. The finished product? The Designer was responsible for the BEGINNING product. The rest was up to the environment/ mutation feedback network- built-in responses to environmental cues- "Not By Chance" You are painfully ignorant, timmy -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:10    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:07) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,11:02)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 09 2019,11:01)   Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,10:54) Just because cars are designed doesn't mean accidents don't happen, So every individual car coming off the assembly line has new features and modifications added at random? That doesn't follow and exposes your ignorance and desperation Joe sticks his foot in his mouth again, has no answer but insults.   LoL! Because you are a moron how does that have any affect on me? Just because car accidents happen doesn't have any bearing on "new features and modifications added at random". You have to be desperate and ignorant to even think such a thing -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,11:10    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2019,11:04) Mutations as copying errors It is very telling that I have supported my claims with actual references and all timmy has is timmy Experts support me. timmy's ignorance supports timmy -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

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