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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,07:41   

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Created the moon with the just-right diameter and the just-right distance relative to the earth so that, at the narrow epoch in solar-system history when human life would be possible, humans on earth would witness perfect solar eclipses, which would help them make important discoveries about the solar system and universe.

What utter BS.  I'm 71 years old and I had to drive 600 miles round trip to see one solar eclipse.  But in my lifetime I've seen a half dozen partial eclipses from my back yard.  If the moon was bigger then its supposedly "fine tuned" diameter or a little closer than its "fine tuned" distance, every one of them would have been a total eclipse.  We'd have seen the sun's corona, the background stars and every thing else we'd see in any other total eclipse.

What a bunch of ID BS!

What happens to the "fine-tuning" argument for the Moon's position when it **inevitably** moves further away from the Earth (because that is what happens in mutually orbiting, gravitationally bound pairs of objects).

The ID argument can only be made at this particular moment in the history of the solar system. I guess the argument is one form of fine-tuning, albeit a cretinous one.

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“There is a final, even more bizarre twist. Because of Moon-induced tides, the Moon is gradually receding from Earth at 3.82 centimeters per year. In ten million years will seem noticeably smaller. At the same time, the Sun’s apparent girth has been swelling by six centimeters per year for ages, as is normal in stellar evolution. These two processes, working together, should end total solar eclipses in about 250 million years, a mere 5 percent of the age of the Earth. This relatively small window of opportunity also happens to coincide with the existence of intelligent life. Put another way, the most habitable place in the Solar System yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them.”


Without the moon there wouldn't be any humans nor life on earth

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,07:43   

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Holy shit UD just got even stupider than usual:

 
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Johnnyfarmer March 14, 2019 at 11:07 am
Well I never post here but always lurking.
Some of the issues …. where did the penta sugar backbone come from? The sugar carbohydrates to assemble the backbone …where did these sugars originate ? Were they the product of photosynthesis? (obviously not !) And RNA being even less stable than DNA …were there repair mechanisms and if not then what would be the consequences. And finally how would RNA be replicated? Magic I guess !! Otherwise just another common self replicating molecule ???

The most ever read thread here at UD by James Tour:

 https://uncommondescent.com/origin-....o-his-c    


https://uncommondescent.com/intelli....-674297

Joe is a regular contributor over there. Is it possible for them to get any stupider?

Yes, with all of your socks making the place a dump for morons.

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,07:44   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 14 2019,16:50)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 14 2019,16:44)
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 14 2019,13:39)
Holy shit UD just got even stupider than usual:

   
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Johnnyfarmer March 14, 2019 at 11:07 am
Well I never post here but always lurking.
Some of the issues …. where did the penta sugar backbone come from? The sugar carbohydrates to assemble the backbone …where did these sugars originate ? Were they the product of photosynthesis? (obviously not !) And RNA being even less stable than DNA …were there repair mechanisms and if not then what would be the consequences. And finally how would RNA be replicated? Magic I guess !! Otherwise just another common self replicating molecule ???

The most ever read thread here at UD by James Tour:

 https://uncommondescent.com/origin-....o-his-c    


https://uncommondescent.com/intelli....-674297

Joe is a regular contributor over there. Is it possible for them to get any stupider?

Joe does usually bring down the mean IQ wherever he goes,

Except here, of course

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,07:45   

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    Hugh Ross: The fine-tuning that enabled our life-friendly moon creates discomfort    


Astronomer Robin Canup has spent fifteen years developing models that seem to demonstrate that, whether it is a desired finding or not: Such fine-tuning was not lost on Canup, who remarked in a recent Nature review article, “Current theories on the formation of the Moon owe too much to cosmic coincidences.”4 Indeed, the required “coincidences” […]

Posted on March 14, 2019 AuthorNews Comment(0)


Hugh Ross? Elderly creationist Hugh Ross?

Surely not relevant, Denyse. Creationism has nothing to do with ID. Perish the thought!    :D  :)  :p

Creation is a subset of ID, dumbass.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,08:09   

Does it seem Joke's posts are getting more shrill and inane lately?  Especially with all the repetition of posts.  The cheese keeps sliding further and further off his cracker.   ???

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,08:36   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 15 2019,08:09)
Does it seem Joke's posts are getting more shrill and inane lately?  Especially with all the repetition of posts.  The cheese keeps sliding further and further off his cracker.   ???

Whatever.

Could you be any more of a liar and a coward, tammy?

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"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,11:33   

Positive Evidence for Intelligent Design (for a start):

1- Biological codes and the systems required to carry them out in a biologically relevant manner

2- The ribosome is a genetic compiler which not only translates the source code (mRNA) into an object code (proteins), but it also detects errors and stops the translation process

The positive evidence for blind watchmaker evolution:

1- Genetic diseases

2- Deformities

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,16:06   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,11:33)
Positive Evidence for Intelligent Design

We'll add "positive evidence" to the huge list of scientific concepts Joke Gallien is 100% ignorant of.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,16:20   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 15 2019,16:06)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,11:33)
Positive Evidence for Intelligent Design (for a start):

1- Biological codes and the systems required to carry them out in a biologically relevant manner

2- The ribosome is a genetic compiler which not only translates the source code (mRNA) into an object code (proteins), but it also detects errors and stops the translation process

The positive evidence for blind watchmaker evolution:

1- Genetic diseases

2- Deformities

We'll add "positive evidence" to the huge list of scientific concepts Joke Gallien is 100% ignorant of.   :D

The first comes from the fact that in all of our experience only intelligent agencies produce codes. Yes, I accept that for the most part that the sample size is just humans. But that sample includes many, many examples. And, of course, on the flip side, no one has ever observed nature producing a code. Not one. Not once. And guess what? Nature doesn't care.

Anyone who thinks that nature, without even wanting to or trying, produced the biological codes and the systems required to carry them out in a biologically relevant manner, needs to step up and show us how to test the claim. Then they need to test it and publish their results.

The second comes from observations and science. For example

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release....529.htm

The translation part has been widely known for decades.

tammy Horton is just an ignorant imp

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,16:23   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 15 2019,14:06)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,11:33)
Positive Evidence for Intelligent Design

We'll add "positive evidence" to the huge list of scientific concepts Joke Gallien is 100% ignorant of.   :D

But he's got personal incredulity!  And it looks designed to him!  You want more than that?  Pickypickypicky...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,16:29   

Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 15 2019,16:23)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 15 2019,14:06)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,11:33)
Positive Evidence for Intelligent Design

We'll add "positive evidence" to the huge list of scientific concepts Joke Gallien is 100% ignorant of.   :D

But he's got personal incredulity!  And it looks designed to him!  You want more than that?  Pickypickypicky...

Not just any old personal incredulity but ignorance based personal incredulity!  That's the bestest kind!

ALL SCIENCE SO FAR!   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,16:35   

Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 15 2019,16:23)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 15 2019,14:06)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,11:33)
Positive Evidence for Intelligent Design

We'll add "positive evidence" to the huge list of scientific concepts Joke Gallien is 100% ignorant of.   :D

But he's got personal incredulity!  And it looks designed to him!  You want more than that?  Pickypickypicky...

LoL! And what, exactly do YOU have beyond wishful thinking?

You fuckheads can't even get replicating RNA's.

Pathetic, really.

ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,16:36   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 15 2019,16:29)
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 15 2019,16:23)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 15 2019,14:06)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,11:33)
Positive Evidence for Intelligent Design

We'll add "positive evidence" to the huge list of scientific concepts Joke Gallien is 100% ignorant of.   :D

But he's got personal incredulity!  And it looks designed to him!  You want more than that?  Pickypickypicky...

Not just any old personal incredulity but ignorance based personal incredulity!  That's the bestest kind!

Whatever, dipshit. What ID has is by far more than your position has.

You don't even know what science is

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,16:38   

The first comes from the fact that in all of our experience only intelligent agencies produce codes. Yes, I accept that for the most part that the sample size is just humans. But that sample includes many, many examples. And, of course, on the flip side, no one has ever observed nature producing a code. Not one. Not once. And guess what? Nature doesn't care.

Anyone who thinks that nature, without even wanting to or trying, produced the biological codes and the systems required to carry them out in a biologically relevant manner, needs to step up and show us how to test the claim. Then they need to test it and publish their results.

The second comes from observations and science. For example: https://www.sciencedaily.com/release....529.htm

The translation part has been widely known for decades.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,18:39   

So, the broken vitamin C gene is "nature operating freely" because now we can't make vitamin C, but the 2 amino acid substitutions in FOXP2 must be ***designed***  because now we can talk.

That's just fucking stupid.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,19:01   

Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,18:39)
So, the broken vitamin C gene is "nature operating freely" because now we can't make vitamin C, but the 2 amino acid substitutions in FOXP2 must be ***designed***  because now we can talk.

That's just fucking stupid.

Yes, that is fucking stupid. That's why no one but an evoTARD would say such a thing.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2019,20:24   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,17:01)
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,18:39)
So, the broken vitamin C gene is "nature operating freely" because now we can't make vitamin C, but the 2 amino acid substitutions in FOXP2 must be ***designed***  because now we can talk.

That's just fucking stupid.

Yes, that is fucking stupid. That's why no one but an evoTARD would say such a thing.

So FOXP2 mutation was not designed, then?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,07:48   

Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,20:24)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,17:01)
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,18:39)
So, the broken vitamin C gene is "nature operating freely" because now we can't make vitamin C, but the 2 amino acid substitutions in FOXP2 must be ***designed***  because now we can talk.

That's just fucking stupid.

Yes, that is fucking stupid. That's why no one but an evoTARD would say such a thing.

So FOXP2 mutation was not designed, then?

The FOXP2 gene was intelligently designed. And each organism that has it has the version they require.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,10:33   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 16 2019,07:48)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,20:24)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,17:01)
   
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,18:39)
So, the broken vitamin C gene is "nature operating freely" because now we can't make vitamin C, but the 2 amino acid substitutions in FOXP2 must be ***designed***  because now we can talk.

That's just fucking stupid.

Yes, that is fucking stupid. That's why no one but an evoTARD would say such a thing.

So FOXP2 mutation was not designed, then?

The FOXP2 gene was intelligently designed. And each organism that has it has the version they require.

All the evidence shows the incredibly stupid YEC attention whore Joke "Sharon Fan65" Gallien was Unintelligently Designed!     :)

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,10:41   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 16 2019,10:33)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 16 2019,07:48)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,20:24)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,17:01)
   
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,18:39)
So, the broken vitamin C gene is "nature operating freely" because now we can't make vitamin C, but the 2 amino acid substitutions in FOXP2 must be ***designed***  because now we can talk.

That's just fucking stupid.

Yes, that is fucking stupid. That's why no one but an evoTARD would say such a thing.

So FOXP2 mutation was not designed, then?

The FOXP2 gene was intelligently designed. And each organism that has it has the version they require.

All the evidence

All the evidence says that I could easily eviscerate Occam's afterbirth in a debate on science.

Occam is easily the most ignorant asshole on the planet.

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,10:42   

Positive Evidence for Intelligent Design (for a start):

1- Biological codes and the systems required to carry them out in a biologically relevant manner

2- The ribosome is a genetic compiler which not only translates the source code (mRNA) into an object code (proteins), but it also detects errors and stops the translation process

The first comes from the fact that in all of our experience only intelligent agencies produce codes. Yes, I accept that for the most part that the sample size is just humans. But that sample includes many, many examples. And, of course, on the flip side, no one has ever observed nature producing a code. Not one. Not once. And guess what? Nature doesn't care.

Anyone who thinks that nature, without even wanting to or trying, produced the biological codes and the systems required to carry them out in a biologically relevant manner, needs to step up and show us how to test the claim. Then they need to test it and publish their results.

The second comes from observations and science. For example The Ribosome: Perfectionist Protein-maker Trashes Errors . The translation part has been widely known for decades.


The positive evidence for blind watchmaker evolution:

1- Genetic diseases

2- Deformities

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,10:44   

On the Evolution of a Novel Function by Means of Intelligent Design Evolution:

Yup, back to the antifreeze protein. Molecular mechanism and history of non-sense to sense evolution of antifreeze glycoprotein gene in northern gadids
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The diverse antifreeze proteins enabling the survival of different polar fishes in freezing seas offer unparalleled vistas into the breadth of genetic sources and mechanisms that produce crucial new functions.


Again, this is a perfect example of "built-in responses to environmental cues", ala Dr. Lee Spetner (1997). If blind and mindless processes did it there wouldn't have been enough time- again see Waiting for TWO Mutations.

Only wishful thinking sez this novel protein arose via blind and mindless processes. But if you read the paper the mechanism says intelligent design, ie guided.

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,10:45   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 16 2019,10:29)
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 16 2019,10:44)
I think one reason people reject climate change as reality is the way it has been politicised.
Look at the green new deal championed by AOC. Does anybody think that would be a good thing to implement?

It's a vague set of initiatives that at least begins to deal with the problem on the scale it would require. If you have better ideas, we're all ears.

FWIW I don't think groups of humans are intelligent enough to deal with the problem successfully, and the next century will be a series of catastrophes.

The better idea is to lay off of CO2 and try to tackle the real problems. But you are too stupid to understand what those are

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,11:26   

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 16 2019,05:48)
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,20:24)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,17:01)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,18:39)
So, the broken vitamin C gene is "nature operating freely" because now we can't make vitamin C, but the 2 amino acid substitutions in FOXP2 must be ***designed***  because now we can talk.

That's just fucking stupid.

Yes, that is fucking stupid. That's why no one but an evoTARD would say such a thing.

So FOXP2 mutation was not designed, then?

The FOXP2 gene was intelligently designed. And each organism that has it has the version they require.

What about the broken vitamin C gene, broken the same way in all apes (including us)? Design?

What are the restraints on design, and how do you know?

What is the difference between "everything was designed" and "the Lord works in strange and mysterious ways"? Both answers are completely vacuous.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,11:55   

Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 16 2019,11:26)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 16 2019,05:48)
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,20:24)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 15 2019,17:01)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2019,18:39)
So, the broken vitamin C gene is "nature operating freely" because now we can't make vitamin C, but the 2 amino acid substitutions in FOXP2 must be ***designed***  because now we can talk.

That's just fucking stupid.

Yes, that is fucking stupid. That's why no one but an evoTARD would say such a thing.

So FOXP2 mutation was not designed, then?

The FOXP2 gene was intelligently designed. And each organism that has it has the version they require.

What about the broken vitamin C gene, broken the same way in all apes (including us)? Design?

What are the restraints on design, and how do you know?

What is the difference between "everything was designed" and "the Lord works in strange and mysterious ways"? Both answers are completely vacuous.

So a broken vitamin C gene, not only somehow became fixed in a population, but remained unaltered over innumerous generations such that it became a genetic marker? Really?

Dry-nosed primates, bats, humans and guinea pigs- the same break/ same loss of function.

Restraints on design? The laws of physics and chemistry. How do I know? That holds true for this universe.

ID doesn't claim everything was designed. That said, we know it matters to an investigation how whatever is being investigated came to be the way it is. Stonehenge could never be understood if it was studied as a geological formation.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,12:02   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 16 2019,11:06)
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 16 2019,10:29)
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 16 2019,10:44)
I think one reason people reject climate change as reality is the way it has been politicised.
Look at the green new deal championed by AOC. Does anybody think that would be a good thing to implement?

It's a vague set of initiatives that at least begins to deal with the problem on the scale it would require. If you have better ideas, we're all ears.

FWIW I don't think groups of humans are intelligent enough to deal with the problem successfully, and the next century will be a series of catastrophes.

I am not claiming to have the answers, just that the way it has been politicised is harmful to people accepting it.

BTW, I do consider global warming/climate change to be a threat to global civilisation. I also think that there is no way to address it without a reduction in population. At least for the foreseeable future.

Mandated vertical farming for all urban areas would be a great start.

Next step is to get rid of industrial pig farms, hen houses and cattle ops. Open grazing and ranching would be OK.

Trees- if you have to cut one down you have to plant two in its place.

Work on better energy sources

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I think one reason people reject climate change as reality is the way it has been politicised.
Look at the green new deal championed by AOC. Does anybody think that would be a good thing to implement?

It's a vague set of initiatives that at least begins to deal with the problem on the scale it would require. If you have better ideas, we're all ears.

FWIW I don't think groups of humans are intelligent enough to deal with the problem successfully, and the next century will be a series of catastrophes.

I am not claiming to have the answers, just that the way it has been politicised is harmful to people accepting it.

BTW, I do consider global warming/climate change to be a threat to global civilisation. I also think that there is no way to address it without a reduction in population. At least for the foreseeable future.

Mandated vertical farming for all urban areas would be a great start.

Next step is to get rid of industrial pig farms, hen houses and cattle ops. Open grazing and ranching would be OK.

Trees- if you have to cut one down you have to plant two in its place.

Work on better energy sources

I personally prefer free-range meat products but I am not convinced that making it mandatory would be helpfull. Is it feasible to feed our current global population that way?


Alternate power? Maybe tidal should be research funded more, but right now only nuclear looks possible as a carbon reducing option that could be implemented quickly.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,12:20   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 16 2019,12:14)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 16 2019,12:02)
 
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 16 2019,11:06)
   
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 16 2019,10:29)
   
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 16 2019,10:44)
I think one reason people reject climate change as reality is the way it has been politicised.
Look at the green new deal championed by AOC. Does anybody think that would be a good thing to implement?

It's a vague set of initiatives that at least begins to deal with the problem on the scale it would require. If you have better ideas, we're all ears.

FWIW I don't think groups of humans are intelligent enough to deal with the problem successfully, and the next century will be a series of catastrophes.

I am not claiming to have the answers, just that the way it has been politicised is harmful to people accepting it.

BTW, I do consider global warming/climate change to be a threat to global civilisation. I also think that there is no way to address it without a reduction in population. At least for the foreseeable future.

Mandated vertical farming for all urban areas would be a great start.

Next step is to get rid of industrial pig farms, hen houses and cattle ops. Open grazing and ranching would be OK.

Trees- if you have to cut one down you have to plant two in its place.

Work on better energy sources

I personally prefer free-range meat products but I am not convinced that making it mandatory would be helpfull. Is it feasible to feed our current global population that way?


Alternate power? Maybe tidal should be research funded more, but right now only nuclear looks possible as a carbon reducing option that could be implemented quickly.

I don't eat land animals. And yes, we could easily live without eating as much meat as we do.

The environmental cost of industrial meat farming is too high. Then there is the transportation costs getting it to market.

We need to crack cold fusion. We need to do a better job at harnessing the Sun's radiation.

Nucular (GWB) is OK, too.

Local, local, local- power, food, water

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,12:27   

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Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 16 2019,10:44)
I think one reason people reject climate change as reality is the way it has been politicised.
Look at the green new deal championed by AOC. Does anybody think that would be a good thing to implement?

It's a vague set of initiatives that at least begins to deal with the problem on the scale it would require. If you have better ideas, we're all ears.

FWIW I don't think groups of humans are intelligent enough to deal with the problem successfully, and the next century will be a series of catastrophes.

I am not claiming to have the answers, just that the way it has been politicised is harmful to people accepting it.

BTW, I do consider global warming/climate change to be a threat to global civilisation. I also think that there is no way to address it without a reduction in population. At least for the foreseeable future.

in the late 70s and early 80s Exxon scientists and Exxon executives had meetings where they discussed global warming, because they knew it was an existential threat to their industry. They decided that there were enough people out there who are scientifically illiterate, that if they spent a few million dollars in propaganda they could confuse the issue for the indefinite future and keep making money. They literally hired the same PR firms that the tobacco companies hired when they were pretending that cigarettes don't cause cancer.

The carbon merchants have been politicizing this since I was in kindergarten.

The climate in New England is the same now as it was back in the 1960's. There are still four seasons. They still start roughly at the same dates. Their durations are still the same. Their temperature swings are still the same.





CO2 isn't the problem

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2019,12:31   

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I personally prefer free-range meat products but I am not convinced that making it mandatory would be helpfull. Is it feasible to feed our current global population that way?

That depends on their consumption. the average American eats way more meat than the global average.

 
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Alternate power? Maybe tidal should be research funded more, but right now only nuclear looks possible as a carbon reducing option that could be implemented quickly.


Solar Thermal. Derek Abbott has a great paper for the IEEE about why nuclear power can't globally scale, but instead of reading it, you can just read this summary: why nuclear power will never supply the world's energy needs.

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