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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:16   

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Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

"all the scientific evidence supports Creationist baraminology"

Baraminology is NOT just a YEC thing

Yes it is you liar.  Even Conservapedia describes it a a young Earth thing.

 
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Baraminology is the study of baramins, also known by the Biblical term kinds.

A baramin is a lineage of earthly life which is believed by Young Earth Creationists to be created by God during the creation week, and corresponds in some functional aspects to the secular concept of species. However, unlike species concepts that are based on Darwinian thinking, the baraminic barrier is inviolable, as other baramins do not evolve from earlier baramins.

Baraminology


Go ahead and link to one "science" organization anywhere studying baraminology which isn't YEC based.

You can't do it because you're a blatant liar.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:17   

pmub

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:17   

Joke the liar

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:18   

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Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

Joke the chickenshit coward avoids every question.   What a surprise.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:21   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:16)
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Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

"all the scientific evidence supports Creationist baraminology"

Baraminology is NOT just a YEC thing

Yes it is you liar.  Even Conservapedia describes it a a young Earth thing.

 
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Baraminology is the study of baramins, also known by the Biblical term kinds.

A baramin is a lineage of earthly life which is believed by Young Earth Creationists to be created by God during the creation week, and corresponds in some functional aspects to the secular concept of species. However, unlike species concepts that are based on Darwinian thinking, the baraminic barrier is inviolable, as other baramins do not evolve from earlier baramins.

Baraminology


Go ahead and link to one "science" organization anywhere studying baraminology which isn't YEC based.

You can't do it because you're a blatant liar.   :D

Fucking clueless asshole. Yes YECs accept baraminology. Judaism also accepts baraminology but does NOT accept YEC.

Day-age Creationists also accept baraminology and reject YEC.

Obviously you are just a willfully ignorant asshole, timmy

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:22   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:18)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:13)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:09)
 
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Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

Joke the chickenshit coward avoids every question.   What a surprise.   :D

YOU are the IDIOT, timmy. ID is NOT about those other questions so IDists would nit be exploring them unless they wanted to. They have their own agenda and they are not bound to an asinine agenda of a scientifically illiterate evoTARD

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:23   

timmy is just upset because AiG proved timmy is an ignorant asshole.


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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:25   

Baraminology is defined as the study of created kinds and generally includes the classification of plants and animals from a creationist perspective. The field of Baraminology makes an attempt to determine what the original created kinds were as well as connect different species within a kind today. The Model of Created Kinds is based on the genesis account of Creation. It includes no random generation of life from non-life, kinds fully formed and functional with no primitive ancestors, and gaps between forms of both living and fossilized kinds. There is room for acclimation to environments and variation within a kind known as speciation and a limit to the amount of change that can occur within descendants. The limited amount of change is known as the fixity of kinds.

Nothing about YEC

https://www.baraminology.net/definit....inology

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:28   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,12:13)
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Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,13:59)
   
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,13:52)
Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

The obvious answer is "whodunit", but ID is forbidden to ask.  The central tenet of the whole enterprise is "Ix-nay on the Od-gay!" .

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:29   

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Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

Joke the chickenshit coward avoids every question.   What a surprise.   :D

ID is NOT about those other questions so IDists would nit be exploring them unless they wanted to. They have their own agenda and they are not bound to an asinine agenda of a scientifically illiterate evoTARD

Right Joke.  IDiots have their own agenda to get religious based Creationism pushed back into public schools.   That's why none of them are investigating any ideas which come from the false claim "design" of biological life has been detected.

Get Joke screaming loud enough and he'll let slip the true colors of the ID-Creationists.  :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:31   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:23)
timmy is just upset

He's probably laughing his ass off because dumbfuck Joseph A Gallien is a YEC who offered up AIG as his primary scientific source.   :D   :D   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:52   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,11:38)
Let's compare:

ID = no predictions, no evidence, no testable hypotheses.

YEC = no predictions, no evidence, its few testable hypotheses already falsified.

The only difference I see is YEC was brave enough to make some testable claims unlike the chickenshit IDiot liars.

Now that's just unfair, OA.  ID does make testable hypotheses:
"It looks designed to me.  I hypothesize that it looks designed to you."

It even draws inferences from the successful test:
At the school-board meeting: "ID is science!"
At the church meeting: "Jesus!"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:33   

Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,14:28)
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Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,13:52)
Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

The obvious answer is "whodunit", but ID is forbidden to ask.  

Wrong again, dumbass. ID is not about the designer but ID does not prevent anyone from asking nor looking into it.

But again we don't even knew who produced many of the artifacts we have.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:35   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:29)
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Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:09)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,13:59)
       
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,13:52)
Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

Joke the chickenshit coward avoids every question.   What a surprise.   :D

ID is NOT about those other questions so IDists would nit be exploring them unless they wanted to. They have their own agenda and they are not bound to an asinine agenda of a scientifically illiterate evoTARD

Right Joke.  IDiots have their own agenda to get religious based Creationism pushed back into public schools.   That's why none of them are investigating any ideas which come from the false claim "design" of biological life has been detected.

Wow, you are a desperate retard, timmy.

Look, loser, if your position had something you wouldn't be such a paranoid and immature jerk.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:36   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 11 2019,14:52)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,11:38)
Let's compare:

ID = no predictions, no evidence, no testable hypotheses.

YEC = no predictions, no evidence, its few testable hypotheses already falsified.

The only difference I see is YEC was brave enough to make some testable claims unlike the chickenshit IDiot liars.

Now that's just unfair, OA.  ID does make testable hypotheses:
"It looks designed to me.  I hypothesize that it looks designed to you."

As opposed to what?

"It looks designed but it ain't cuz I noes?"

I see that it bothers evoTARDs that ID exists in large part due to their total FAILure at science.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:39   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:31)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:23)
timmy is just upset because AiG proved timmy is an ignorant asshole.

He's probably laughing his ass off

LoL! "He"? He is you, dipshit. You are the Timothy tugjob Horton who posts anti-scientific claptrap over on peaceful suckjob.

I referenced AiG to support my claims about baraminology.

timmy is just upset because AiG proved timmy is an ignorant asshole.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:41   

The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.


cue timmy Horton to post a response that doesn't address my claims nor does it support his. timmy Horton is a cowardly LIAR and scientifically illiterate asshole.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:42   

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Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

The obvious answer is "whodunit", but ID is forbidden to ask.  

Wrong again, dumbass. ID is not about the designer but ID does not prevent anyone from asking nor looking into it

Then why aren't any IDiot "scientists" asking or looking into it?

Are they all as stupid and dishonest as you are Joke?

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:44   

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The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

Evolution of the F0F1 ATP Synthase Complex in Light of the Patchy Distribution of Different Bioenergetic Pathways across Prokaryotes
Koumandou, Kossida
PLOS Comp. Biol., doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003821 , 4 Sep 2014

Author's Summary:  Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Evolution of ATP synthase

Joke Gallien, world's dumbest and most willfully ignorant YEC compulsive liar.   :D

Joke reposts his stupid claims, I repost the evidence.  Joke just can't figure it out.   :)

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:44   

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Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

The obvious answer is "whodunit", but ID is forbidden to ask.  

Wrong again, dumbass. ID is not about the designer but ID does not prevent anyone from asking nor looking into it

Then why aren't any IDiot "scientists" asking or looking into it?

Are you stupid, timmy? Scientists are SPECIALISTS, you ignorant fuck.

Why aren't your biochemists looking into macroevolution? Because it ain't their place!

Why don't surgeons provide physical therapy?

Why can't your scientists answer anything? Why are your scientists dumber than nature?

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:45   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,15:44)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:41)
The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

Evolution of the F0F1 ATP Synthase Complex in Light of the Patchy Distribution of Different Bioenergetic Pathways across Prokaryotes
Koumandou, Kossida
PLOS Comp. Biol., doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003821 , 4 Sep 2014

Author's Summary:  Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Evolution of ATP synthase

Joke Gallien, world's dumbest and most willfully ignorant YEC compulsive liar.   :D

Joke reposts his stupid claims, I repost the evidence.  Joke just can't figure it out.   :)

LoL! I SURE PREDICTED THAT BIT OF IGNORANT AND COWARDLY SPEWAGE:

cue timmy Horton to post a response that doesn't address my claims nor does it support his. timmy Horton is a cowardly LIAR and scientifically illiterate asshole.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,15:46   

The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.


TIMMY IS SUCH A LOSER AND A COWARD ITS RESPONSE WILL NOT EVEN ADDRESS MY CLAIMS NOR WILL IT SUPPORT EVOLUTIONISM. TIMMY HORTON IS A PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT AND PROUD OF IT.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,16:10   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:46)
The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

Evolution of the F0F1 ATP Synthase Complex in Light of the Patchy Distribution of Different Bioenergetic Pathways across Prokaryotes
Koumandou, Kossida
PLOS Comp. Biol., doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003821 , 4 Sep 2014

Author's Summary:  Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Evolution of ATP synthase

Joke Gallien, world's dumbest and most willfully ignorant YEC compulsive liar.    :D

Joke is such a predictable dumbass.   :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,16:11   

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Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

The obvious answer is "whodunit", but ID is forbidden to ask.  

Wrong again, dumbass. ID is not about the designer but ID does not prevent anyone from asking nor looking into it

Then why aren't any IDiot "scientists" asking or looking into it?

Scientists are SPECIALISTS

So Joke is now saying the IDiot patrol doesn't have any scientists.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,16:44   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,16:10)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:46)
The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

Evolution of the F0F1 ATP Synthase Complex in Light of the Patchy Distribution of Different Bioenergetic Pathways across Prokaryotes
Koumandou, Kossida
PLOS Comp. Biol., doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003821 , 4 Sep 2014

Author's Summary:  Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Evolution of ATP synthase

LoL! I SURE PREDICTED THAT BIT OF IGNORANT AND COWARDLY SPEWAGE:

cue timmy Horton to post a response that doesn't address my claims nor does it support his. timmy Horton is a cowardly LIAR and scientifically illiterate asshole.

TIMMY IS SUCH A LOSER AND A COWARD ITS RESPONSE WILL NOT EVEN ADDRESS MY CLAIMS NOR WILL IT SUPPORT EVOLUTIONISM. TIMMY HORTON IS A PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT AND PROUD OF IT.


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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,16:44   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,16:11)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:44)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,15:42)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:33)
     
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,14:28)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,12:13)
       
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:09)
         
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,13:59)
           
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,13:52)
Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

The obvious answer is "whodunit", but ID is forbidden to ask.  

Wrong again, dumbass. ID is not about the designer but ID does not prevent anyone from asking nor looking into it

Then why aren't any IDiot "scientists" asking or looking into it?

Scientists are SPECIALISTS

So Joke is now saying the IDiot patrol doesn't have any scientists.   :D

YOU are the IDIOT patrol, loser.

Nice own goal

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,16:52   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,16:44)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,16:10)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:46)
The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

Evolution of the F0F1 ATP Synthase Complex in Light of the Patchy Distribution of Different Bioenergetic Pathways across Prokaryotes
Koumandou, Kossida
PLOS Comp. Biol., doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003821 , 4 Sep 2014

Author's Summary:  Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Evolution of ATP synthase

WAAAAAH!   WAAAAAAAH!   WAAAAAAH!

LOL!  

Joke is such a stupid tool.  :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,16:53   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,16:44)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,16:11)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:44)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,15:42)
       
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:33)
         
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,14:28)
         
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,12:13)
           
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:09)
             
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,13:59)
               
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,13:52)
Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

The obvious answer is "whodunit", but ID is forbidden to ask.  

Wrong again, dumbass. ID is not about the designer but ID does not prevent anyone from asking nor looking into it

Then why aren't any IDiot "scientists" asking or looking into it?

Scientists are SPECIALISTS

So Joke is now saying the IDiot patrol doesn't have any scientists.   :D

YOU are the patrol

Joke you forgot to cite AIG your YEC primary science source.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,16:56   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,16:52)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,16:44)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,16:10)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,15:46)
The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

Evolution of the F0F1 ATP Synthase Complex in Light of the Patchy Distribution of Different Bioenergetic Pathways across Prokaryotes
Koumandou, Kossida
PLOS Comp. Biol., doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003821 , 4 Sep 2014

Author's Summary:  Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Evolution of ATP synthase

LoL! I SURE PREDICTED THAT BIT OF IGNORANT AND COWARDLY SPEWAGE:

cue timmy Horton to post a response that doesn't address my claims nor does it support his. timmy Horton is a cowardly LIAR and scientifically illiterate asshole.

TIMMY IS SUCH A LOSER AND A COWARD ITS RESPONSE WILL NOT EVEN ADDRESS MY CLAIMS NOR WILL IT SUPPORT EVOLUTIONISM. TIMMY HORTON IS A PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT AND PROUD OF IT.


LOL!  

I am such a stupid tool.  :D

LoL! I SURE PREDICTED THAT BIT OF IGNORANT AND COWARDLY SPEWAGE:

cue timmy Horton to post a response that doesn't address my claims nor does it support his. timmy Horton is a cowardly LIAR and scientifically illiterate asshole.

TIMMY IS SUCH A LOSER AND A COWARD ITS RESPONSE WILL NOT EVEN ADDRESS MY CLAIMS NOR WILL IT SUPPORT EVOLUTIONISM. TIMMY HORTON IS A PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT AND PROUD OF IT.


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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,16:57   

timmy:

Why can't your scientists answer anything? Why are your scientists dumber than nature?

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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