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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,12:29   

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ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.

ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

What have ID scientists learned about the "design" in the last 20 years they have been STUDYING it Joke?

Maybe that some propaganda gimmicks work less well than others?

And your side has had 150+ years to perfect their mindless droning.

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:20   

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ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.

ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

What have ID scientists learned about the "design" in the last 20 years they have been STUDYING it ?

Much more than evoTARDs have learned in the last 150+ years.

So much you can't list a single thing.   :D  

No wonder you're such a scientifically ignorant dumbass.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:20   

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:23   

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More JokeScience:

ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.


ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

you YEC science pusher?  Will your YEC science take the challenge too?

And yes, YEC will also gladly go against materialism, which is a total brain-fart non-starter.

Why don't you do a YEC science vs. ID science?  Compare and contrast the two.  You'll be able to list the scientific advancements for humanity they each have made real quickly.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:30   

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ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.

ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

What have ID scientists learned about the "design" in the last 20 years they have been STUDYING it ?

Much more than evoTARDs have learned in the last 150+ years.

So much you can't list a single thing.    

Ask THEM. You have to be a total desperate loser to ask me.

As far as I know they have learned quite a bit about its design. But you can email Scott Minnich and ask.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:32   

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More JokeScience:

ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.


ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

you YEC science pusher?  Will your YEC science take the challenge too?

And yes, YEC will also gladly go against materialism, which is a total brain-fart non-starter.

Why don't you do a YEC science vs. ID science?  

So you are too chicken-shit to ante up.

As for ID vs YEC-> as I have said all along YEC is a subset of ID and obviously timmy is too fucking retarded to understand what that means.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:33   

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More JokeScience:
ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.

ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

What have ID scientists learned about the "design" in the last 20 years they have been STUDYING it ?

Much more than evoTARDs have learned in the last 150+ years.

So much you can't list a single thing.    

Ask THEM.

You're the one who claims ID has been studying the design they detected over 20 years ago Joke.  I'm asking you but it's obvious you're just bullshitting like you always do.

Liar liar Joke's 66" waste pants on fire.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:38   

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More JokeScience:

ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.


ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

you YEC science pusher?  Will your YEC science take the challenge too?

And yes, YEC will also gladly go against materialism, which is a total brain-fart non-starter.

Why don't you do a YEC science vs. ID science?  


As for ID vs YEC-> as I have said all along YEC is a subset of ID.


Let's compare:

ID = no predictions, no evidence, no testable hypotheses.

YEC = no predictions, no evidence, its few testable hypotheses already falsified.

The only difference I see is YEC was brave enough to make some testable claims unlike the chickenshit IDiot liars.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:41   

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More JokeScience:
ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.

ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

What have ID scientists learned about the "design" in the last 20 years they have been STUDYING it ?

Much more than evoTARDs have learned in the last 150+ years.

So much you can't list a single thing.    

Ask THEM.

You're the one who claims ID has been studying the design they detected over 20 years ago Joke.

I didn't make that claim, you demented asshole. Design detection is not over. We are still looking and learning.

What we have discovered is there is no way that materialistic processes could pull it off. We have also learned that there are total asshole cowards who will just flail away and refuse to ante up anything we can compare with.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:45   

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More JokeScience:
ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.

ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

What have ID scientists learned about the "design" in the last 20 years they have been STUDYING it ?

Much more than evoTARDs have learned in the last 150+ years.

So much you can't list a single thing.    

Ask THEM.

You're the one who claims ID has been studying the design they detected over 20 years ago Joke.

Design detection is not over.

What do you mean it's not over Chubs?  Either "design" of biological life has been positively detected or it hasn't.  Which is it?

Figures a dumbass like you would be too chickenshit to commit to a position.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:45   

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More JokeScience:

ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.


ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

you YEC science pusher?  Will your YEC science take the challenge too?

And yes, YEC will also gladly go against materialism, which is a total brain-fart non-starter.

Why don't you do a YEC science vs. ID science?  


As for ID vs YEC-> as I have said all along YEC is a subset of ID.


Let's compare:

ID = no predictions, no evidence, no testable hypotheses.

Liar.

ID predicts that there is more to living organisms than what physics and chemistry can explain/ account for. That is one more prediction than timmy's position has.

The evidence for ID has been presented. Your ignorance is not an argument.

The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.


The testable hypotheses have also been presented.

ID is based on three premises and the inference that follows (DeWolf et al., Darwinism, Design and Public Education, pg. 92):



1) High information content (or specified complexity) and irreducible complexity constitute strong indicators or hallmarks of (past) intelligent design.

2) Biological systems have a high information content (or specified complexity) and utilize subsystems that manifest irreducible complexity.

3) Naturalistic mechanisms or undirected causes do not suffice to explain the origin of information (specified complexity) or irreducible complexity.

4) Therefore, intelligent design constitutes the best explanations for the origin of information and irreducible complexity in biological systems.

That is by far more than timmy's side has

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:46   

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More JokeScience:
ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.

ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

What have ID scientists learned about the "design" in the last 20 years they have been STUDYING it ?

Much more than evoTARDs have learned in the last 150+ years.

So much you can't list a single thing.    

Ask THEM.

You're the one who claims ID has been studying the design they detected over 20 years ago Joke.

Design detection is not over.

What do you mean it's not over?  Either "design" of biological life has been positively detected or it hasn't.  

Oh my. We have not uncovered the entirety of it, dumbass.

And it still remains that your side has NOTHING, loser

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:47   

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More JokeScience:
ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.

ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

What have ID scientists learned about the "design" in the last 20 years they have been STUDYING it ?

Much more than evoTARDs have learned in the last 150+ years.

So much you can't list a single thing.    

Ask THEM.

You're the one who claims ID has been studying the design they detected over 20 years ago Joke.

Design detection is not over.

What do you mean it's not over?

I didn't make that claim, you demented asshole. Design detection is not over. We are still looking and learning.

What we have discovered is there is no way that materialistic processes could pull it off. We have also learned that there are total asshole cowards who will just flail away and refuse to ante up anything we can compare with.


Stop quote-mining. Your stupidity was predicted and taken care of.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:52   

Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:55   

Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again, just screams and regurgitates his same tired old lies.

Another day, another Joke angry flight from reality.   :)

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:59   

Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,13:52)
Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?

Hey, asshole, worry about your own lame-ass position.

No one uses evolutionism for anything.

No advances in science have been made thanks to evolutionism.

That said- yes the binary categorization is helpful as it gets the root of one of the 3 basic questions science asks: How did it get to be the  way it is? We know it matters to an investigation that it matters if nature did it or some intelligent agency involvement was required. We definitely study Stonehenge differently than if it was deemed a natural formation.

Practical use- genetic algorithms exemplify evolution by means of intelligent design. And only ID offers up and explanation/ accounting for what determines form.

From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:00   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,13:55)
Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:01   

The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.

cue timmy's cowardice by providing shit that doesn't even address my claim nor does it support evolutionism

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

Evolution of the F0F1 ATP Synthase Complex in Light of the Patchy Distribution of Different Bioenergetic Pathways across Prokaryotes
Koumandou, Kossida
PLOS Comp. Biol., doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003821 , 4 Sep 2014

Author's Summary:  Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Evolution of ATP synthase

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:06   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:00)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,13:55)
Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

"all the scientific evidence supports Creationist baraminology"

"YEC Answers In Genesis is a science website"

:)  

Joke is a compulsive liar.  He just can't help contradict himself with every post.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:06   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:03)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:01)
The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

Evolution of the F0F1 ATP Synthase Complex in Light of the Patchy Distribution of Different Bioenergetic Pathways across Prokaryotes
Koumandou, Kossida
PLOS Comp. Biol., doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003821 , 4 Sep 2014

Author's Summary:  Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Evolution of ATP synthase

Joke Gallien, world's dumbest and most willfully ignorant YEC compulsive liar.   :D

I SURE CALLED THAT ONE!!!!1!!111!!1!11!!!

cue timmy's cowardice by providing shit that doesn't even address my claim nor does it support evolutionism

timmy Horton, total waste of skin and bane of humanity

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:07   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:06)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:00)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,13:55)
Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

"all the scientific evidence supports Creationist baraminology"

Baraminology is NOT just a YEC thing, you willfully ig norant asshole

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:07   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:06)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:00)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,13:55)
Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

"all the scientific evidence supports Creationist baraminology"

Yes, it does. And you don't have anything that refutes that claim.

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:09   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:06)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:00)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,13:55)
Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

"YEC Answers In Genesis is a science website"

I never made that claim. I linked to them for the reasons stated. The reasons you ignored because you are an ignorant asshole.

timmy is just upset because AiG proved timmy is an ignorant asshole.

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:09   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,13:59)
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,13:52)
Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:10   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:09)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:06)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:00)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,13:55)
Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

"YEC Answers In Genesis is a science website"

I never made that claim. I linked to them for the reasons stated.

You linked to AIG because you're a YEC pimping a YEC website as your "scientific" evidence.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:10   

The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.

Why is timmy too afraid to address the claim and the evidence?

Why does timmy continue to post irrelevant shit about ATP synthase?


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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:11   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:10)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:09)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:06)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,14:00)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,13:55)
Joke Gallien the YEC runs from all questions again

Well, I am not a YEC, I didn't run and you are an ignorant coward.

"YEC Answers In Genesis is a science website"

I never made that claim. I linked to them for the reasons stated.

You linked to AIG because you're a YEC pimping a YEC website as your "scientific" evidence.   :D

Whatever, timmy. The fact remains you are a lowlife loser and coward

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:13   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 11 2019,14:09)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 11 2019,13:59)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 11 2019,13:52)
Well that was fun.

Besides the binary categorization of designed/not designed, what have ID scientists learned in the last 20 years or so?

And how is this binary categorization helpful?

What is its practical use for biologists?

Where does a scientist go from "This was designed"?


From "this was designed" now we have new and interesting questions to explore. And we would start looking for that something besides physics and chemistry that ID says exists (in living organisms).

Like what Joke?  What new questions will "design" open for exploration and how will they be tested?  Biggest question is why haven't any IDiots been exploring them?

timmy Horton is totally ignorant of science.

What new questions opened up when Stonehenge was determined to be intelligently designed?

How is a murder investigated differently from a natural death? What new questions does murder open up?

timmy, you must be one of the most ignorant and angry, pathetic cowards, ever.

It is very telling that you never ante up

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,14:14   

timmy is just upset because AiG proved timmy is an ignorant asshole.

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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