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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,10:18   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 21 2009,10:13)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 21 2009,10:23)
Cakeboy is cranking out the TARDcake over there double fast. Will UD's moderation:

(1) quietly tell him he's an idiotic blowhard they don't need
(2) Promote him - He is a much less smart DT
(3) Even notice
(4) Ask him to 'sell their book!' ©

(5)  give him mod privileges?

Oh, make it so!

Threads would be locked and comments nuked oh so much faster!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,16:07   

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If my understanding is right, another facet of the concept of fitness in evolution is that it works even with a moving target. Evolution has no target; it is always about immediate fitness. As long as the fitness landscape don't change too fast. Otherwise, extinction.

In a nutshell what Darwin said 150 years ago - and still going strong.

ETA:

Shouldn't it be possible to write a version of Weasel with moving target - and wouldn't that prove unworkable with latching?

I proposed this at UD some months back. There's a very simple approach. You use exactly the same routine to mutate the target sentence in each generation as you do to mutate each copy of the parent sentence. This models environmental drift. The parent sentence generally will track the environment well from generation to generation, provided the environmental mutation rate is sufficiently low. "Sufficiently low" depends on both the mutation rate for offspring and the number of offspring per generation. For instance, you can set the mutation rate for the environment equal to that for the offspring if you make the number of offspring large.

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Turncoat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,00:02   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 20 2009,16:49)
               
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 20 2009,14:44)
                 
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2: For his interview, Dawkins needed the program to run for ~ 2000 generations. This could be achieved by the combination (10 children, 4% mutation rate) But I suppose that Dawkins just fooled around a little bit with his program to get an optimal number of runs, i.e., the program was running during the length of his interview…

Is that correct? Dawkins seems to be showing all the children, not just the parents. It's slower because it takes time to display on the antique system he's using. [...]

I think the number 2485 comes up at the end of the video as the number of individuals. If that is the case, Dawkins likely did have to find fairly particular parameters in order to terminate in the short time of the video sequence, and the slow display system likely did have an impact on that. I think I posted some numbers here before on the likely parameter space the video run's parameters were taken from.

In contrast, the mean number of trials for the simple hill-climber encoded in Weasel2 to reach the target is about 5800. The closer Weasel2 gets to the target, the greater the expected number of trials for an uphill step on the fitness landscape. The expected number of trials to reach the target is in the ballpark of 2485 only when 25 or 26 of the characters in the best-so-far sentence match the target.

1. Weasel2 never takes a downhill step.

2. Weasel2 mutates the character in just one position in each trial. If the character is already correct, the mutation cannot yield an uphill step. The probability of selecting an incorrect character for mutation is (28 - n) / 28, where n is the number of correct characters. The probability that mutation yields the correct character is 1 / 27. Thus the probability of an uphill step when n characters are correct is p = (28 - n) / 28 / 27.

3. The expected number of trials for an uphill step is 2 * (1 - p) / p. This is the mean of a random variable following a negative binomial distribution. See Wikipedia.

4. The number of correct characters in the randomly initialized sentence is binomially distributed with mean 28 * (1 / 27) = 1.037 and variance 28 * (1 / 27) * (1 - 1 / 27) = 0.999. That is, the mean and variance are both about 1, and 25 correct characters in the initial sentence (see above) would be about 24 standard deviations above the mean.

5. Here is code and example outputs for the Unix bc utility. The function f takes as its argument the number of correct characters in the initial parent, and returns the expected number of trials to reach the target. The "for" loop sums the expected numbers of trials for all the uphill steps required to maximize fitness. (The expectation of a sum of random quantities is the sum of the expectations.)

Code Sample
scale=25

define f(m) {
  auto p, n, t

  t = 0

  for (n = m; n < 28; n++) {
     p = (28 - n) / 28.0 / 27.0
     t += 2 * (1 - p) / p
  }

  return(t)
}

f(27)
1510.0000000000000000000586656

f(26)
2264.0000000000000000000594216

f(25)
2766.0000000000000000000662760

f(0)
5881.8826109171485399780675527

f(1)
5829.8826109171485399780674987

f(2)
5775.8826109171485399780673643

f(3)
5719.7287647633023861319134600

(f(0)+f(1)+f(2)+f(3))/4.0
5801.8441493786870015165289689


I could go further with the analysis, but I don't see why I should. It is highly improbable that Weasel2 was at work in the BBC show.

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Turncoat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,00:15   

For any IDiots lurking, what I just accomplished was not a design inference. I analyzed the performance of a program for minimizing the Hamming distance of a string of characters from a target string, and determined that it is highly improbable that the program performs as well as claimed.

It took me much longer to attempt to explain the analysis clearly than actually to do it. Dembski should be embarrassed to have mass-distributed tard mail without scrutinizing Weasel2 for himself.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,00:50   

lololoololol YEAH RIGHT

that fool has no capacity for embarassment.  witness www.uncommondescent.com

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,00:52   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 21 2009,11:18)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 21 2009,10:13)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 21 2009,10:23)
Cakeboy is cranking out the TARDcake over there double fast. Will UD's moderation:

(1) quietly tell him he's an idiotic blowhard they don't need
(2) Promote him - He is a much less smart DT
(3) Even notice
(4) Ask him to 'sell their book!' ©

(5)  give him mod privileges?

Oh, make it so!

Threads would be locked and comments nuked oh so much faster!

i think you guys are getting to him!!!!

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MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2009
The Gossip is in and it is never disappointing
Gossip factory AtBC (another tired baby crying) is still cranking out the gossip.

oldmanwithadickuphisass is gossiping about me.

The Rich Hughestard has joined in. Tards of a feather type of thing.

What the oldmanwithadickuphisass doesn't understand is that the computer code is not readable except with a computer.

The code is NOT the disc. The code is not reducible to the matter that makes up the disc.

Then a couple of comments down the oldmanwithadickuphisass gets on me for using his type of tactics against is type of ilk.

When people make bald assertions I respond accordingly.

And seeing that is all those mother-friggers have are bald assertions my responses of "Prove it" are right in line with their grade-school antics.

But anyway I am more than willing to take on any one of those fruitloops in a debate.

We can both put up some money and see who knows best.
posted by Joe G @ 2:17 PM   0 comments  


joe Allah gets angry when you use the dirty talk

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,01:06   

As for Weasel1, how does it happen that its initial parent sentence matches up with the initial sentence output by the single-step selection program? Let's call that other program, for which we don't have code, Monkey.

Weasel1 calls the Randomize procedure to automatically seed the random number generator. This means that you would have to run the program many times to stand much chance of seeing an initial parent sentence you've seen before.

How does Monkey come up with the same initial sentence as Weasel1? A call to Randomize is very unlikely to generate the same seed that was automatically generated in Weasel1. And Dawkins did not know what seed was automatically generated, because Weasel1 does not supply it as output. Did Dawkins explicitly enter the first sentence output by Weasel1 into Monkey? In other words, did Dawkins "smuggle information" into the program by supplying the first sentence he attributed to a "monkey at a typewriter"? I doubt it.

(Yes, I know about the one-character discrepancy in sentences. I think it's safe enough to attribute it to a typo.)

If we really must guess about programs, rather than ask Dawkins to clarify the algorithm he had in mind, then it makes sense to guess that Dawkins reused code in some way or another and seeded the random number generator explicitly. Personally, I would have written just one evolution strategy, and would have set both the per-site mutation rate and the number of offspring to 1 to model the monkey at a typewriter.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,06:02   

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How does Monkey come up with the same initial sentence as Weasel1?

Whatever are you talking about?

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Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,06:29   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 22 2009,00:52)
i think you guys are getting to him!!!!

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MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2009
The Gossip is in and it is never disappointing
Gossip factory AtBC (another tired baby crying) is still cranking out the gossip.

oldmanwithadickuphisass is gossiping about me.

The Rich Hughestard has joined in. Tards of a feather type of thing.

What the oldmanwithadickuphisass doesn't understand is that the computer code is not readable except with a computer.

The code is NOT the disc. The code is not reducible to the matter that makes up the disc.

Then a couple of comments down the oldmanwithadickuphisass gets on me for using his type of tactics against is type of ilk.

When people make bald assertions I respond accordingly.

And seeing that is all those mother-friggers have are bald assertions my responses of "Prove it" are right in line with their grade-school antics.

But anyway I am more than willing to take on any one of those fruitloops in a debate.

We can both put up some money and see who knows best.
posted by Joe G @ 2:17 PM   0 comments  


joe Allah gets angry when you use the dirty talk

Do you have a link for that?  Surely Joseph wouldn't use foul language in the Online Church of UD?

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But anyway I am more than willing to take on any one of those fruitloops in a debate.

Someone should invite Joey over here.  Mr. Wannabe Tough would be wearing a wig, corset, and badly applied makeup while serving drinks on his knees to the AtBC regulars in short order.

Rhetorically speaking, of course.

  
Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,06:37   

Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:29)
Do you have a link for that?  Surely Joseph wouldn't use foul language in the Online Church of UD?

Nevermind, my Google Fu is strong this morning.  Joey's posing is here.

I've invited him over.  I hope no one minds.  Perhaps if everyone tells him how much we want him to join us, he'll be persuaded.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,06:51   

WTF?
Denyse opens with sort of an article on how atheists are distrusted and hated.  Except it's not an article, it's the results of a Google search.

Then she says it's the first step in geting atheists protected by hate crime legislation.  Then she says the government has just implemented such legislation, only again her cite is to a Google search and the first article I read from that search (Hate Crime in America: The Debate Continues | NIJ Journal Issue No ...) doesn't mention any recent laws.

Then we get this remarkable sentence:    
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I had almost forgotten. I helped draft our Constitution in 1981. But no one minds that kind of thing any more. Unless … could there now be hope?

What The F___!!!  O'Leary helped draft a Constitution??!!  Of a country?  Maybe as a typist.

I call BS on this one a thousand times over with a cherry on top.  Denyse is entering the advanced stages of Alzheimers now.

The rest of the message is standard O'Leary blather except that atheists are now equated with Islamic Fascists.  Nothing to see here, move along.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,06:54   

Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:37)
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:29)
Do you have a link for that?  Surely Joseph wouldn't use foul language in the Online Church of UD?

Nevermind, my Google Fu is strong this morning.  Joey's posing is here.

I've invited him over.  I hope no one minds.  Perhaps if everyone tells him how much we want him to join us, he'll be persuaded.

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Maya Papaya has her? profile blocked.

Why do all intellectual cowards do that?


JoeG has the courage to reveal personal details, such as the fact that he lives somewhere in New England, and that he "fixes things."

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,07:04   

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If Dawkins is defining Darwinian evolution as inherently without a target, then he is going to have to show that cumulative selection can operate without a target to even show that cumulative selection can indeed be a part of Darwinian evolution.


Maybe if he turned the page in TBW

http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/mirror/biomorph/

http://home.pacbell.net/s-max/scott/biobounce.html

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,07:04   

Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:37)
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:29)
Do you have a link for that?  Surely Joseph wouldn't use foul language in the Online Church of UD?

Nevermind, my Google Fu is strong this morning.  Joey's posing is here.

I've invited him over.  I hope no one minds.  Perhaps if everyone tells him how much we want him to join us, he'll be persuaded.

Been There, Done That.

Joe showed up on page 2 (7/23/2007 at 8:52 Eastern) and made his last contribution a little more than 36 hours later on page 6 (7/24/2007 at 21:43 Eastern).

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,07:17   

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I've invited him over.  I hope no one minds.  Perhaps if everyone tells him how much we want him to join us, he'll be persuaded.

Don't think so. From the tone of His Lordship, I gather he prefers the elevated position of his ivory tower.

Isn't he a perfect icon of cdesign proponentsism?

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Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,08:40   

Since Joey has his blog moderated (Clivebaby envy, perhaps?), here's what I've posted there:
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You might take a little heat at AtBC, but if you could actually support any of the ridiculous assertions you post on UD, you'd get many serious responses.  You might even learn something (which, I suspect, is the real reason you don't want to go there).

If AtBC isn't acceptable, I suggest the talk.origins newsgroup.  No one is going to debate you here where you can moderate them out of existence.  We've seen the echo chamber of UD, which is why there is a long running thread at AtBC dedicated to mocking it.

It's too bad you lack the intellectual courage to defend your views in a forum where you can't run and hide.

  
Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,08:40   

And this:
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The reason my profile is blocked, Joey dear, is that there are some disturbed people on the Internet.  People who post violent fantasies about what they'd like to do to those who don't share their beliefs on pseudo-science blogs.  People who threaten college professors when those professors mop the floor with them in an argument.  In short, willfully ignorant people with poor self-control.

People like you.

We know you're reading, Joey (we can see your lips moving).  Come out and play!

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,08:41   

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Thus, after months we see that while explicit latching was credibly not used in Weasel c 1986, implicit latching is a possible explanation of the showcased runs of Weasel c 1986, and that quasi-latched runs (ratcheting with occasional slips) are likely to predominate in the population of runs of the program.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-334833

Damn, you get all the way to the 12th step and stumble back into the gutter.

The rest of KF's post (what follows the quote) makes sense, for a change.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,08:43   

Dippy Joe:

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But anyway I am more than willing to take on any one of those fruitloops in a debate.


Those Fundies, always aching for a debate. Try Peer reviewed science journals instead!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:10   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 22 2009,14:54)
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:37)
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:29)
Do you have a link for that?  Surely Joseph wouldn't use foul language in the Online Church of UD?

Nevermind, my Google Fu is strong this morning.  Joey's posing is here.

I've invited him over.  I hope no one minds.  Perhaps if everyone tells him how much we want him to join us, he'll be persuaded.

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Maya Papaya has her? profile blocked.

Why do all intellectual cowards do that?


JoeG has the courage to reveal personal details, such as the fact that he lives somewhere in New England, and that he "fixes things."

Bwhahahahahahahahaha

"fixes things"

Like signs?



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:18   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 22 2009,08:04)
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:37)
 
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 22 2009,06:29)
Do you have a link for that?  Surely Joseph wouldn't use foul language in the Online Church of UD?

Nevermind, my Google Fu is strong this morning.  Joey's posing is here.

I've invited him over.  I hope no one minds.  Perhaps if everyone tells him how much we want him to join us, he'll be persuaded.

Been There, Done That.

Joe showed up on page 2 (7/23/2007 at 8:52 Eastern) and made his last contribution a little more than 36 hours later on page 6 (7/24/2007 at 21:43 Eastern).

sorry maya i figured you had already plumbed the depths of tard that is joes blog.  

its pretty much a place for Rich to play straightman while blipey kicks the shit out of Joe.  entertaining, but let's not pretend it is ever going to be anything other than a pathos.

no way is he coming back here!  he'd kill us all with his incisive wit, devastating rhetoric and his ability to tell a baldfaced lie about whatever topic is at hand!  

as rich put it to me many moons ago

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I has conversations with Joe at his blog


thats the best place for them you know.  you really cant get them anywhere else anyway, it's like an endemic species of tard with a population size of 1, an effective population size of 0, and outside of its native carefully controlled habitat, fitness approaching zero.  clearly globally imperiled, and protected by the ESA 1st Amendment.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:26   

"its pretty much a place for Rich to play straightman" - and on those days I don't co-ordinate my handkerchief with my socks, and use less product in my hair.

NOT FABULOUS NOT HOMO.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:39   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 22 2009,10:26)
"its pretty much a place for Rich to play straightman" - and on those days I don't co-ordinate my handkerchief with my socks, and use less product in my hair.

NOT FABULOUS NOT HOMO.

well whatever it is, it sure as hell is fun to read.  i couldn't participate though

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:53   

Was Joe G the small appliance repairman?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:56   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 22 2009,09:53)
Was Joe G the small appliance repairman?

Correct. He had some sort of meltdown IIRC, has threated people here with 'visits' and I believe claimed once to be Muslim?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:57   

Joe G gives up in disgust:
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Yes you are a troll and a liar.

So I will leave you with that- I don’t have time to deal with liars and losers.

Har de har har

So much for wanting a debate.....

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:58   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 22 2009,10:56)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 22 2009,09:53)
Was Joe G the small appliance repairman?

Correct. He had some sort of meltdown IIRC, has threated people here with 'visits' and I believe claimed once to be Muslim?

so far carlson has failed to provide the link to the Mullah-hood of joe G.  pfft

i don't think it was here, and i don't think it was at his cough blog.  ARN?  anybody?  god i would love to see that get tossed up at UD

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,09:58   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 22 2009,10:57)
Joe G gives up in disgust:  
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Yes you are a troll and a liar.

So I will leave you with that- I don’t have time to deal with liars and losers.

Har de har har

So much for wanting a debate.....

moseph

BWAAJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,10:07   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 22 2009,09:53)
Was Joe G the small appliance repairman?

That is the running joke.  We had established, at one time, that he worked in repair for GE. Which means he could work on anything from home appliances to jet engines.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,10:27   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 22 2009,10:07)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 22 2009,09:53)
Was Joe G the small appliance repairman?

That is the running joke.  We had established, at one time, that he worked in repair for GE. Which means he could work on anything from home appliances to jet engines.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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