Joined: May 2006
|Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 21 2009,04:53)|
|Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 20 2009,21:56)|
|Highlights from My Night with the Discovery Institute|
1. John West Says it isn't about Religion, except for those Damn Dirty Atheists
2. Carlsonjok Takes on a DI Fellow and ducks into the punch
3. ATBC Becomes the Poster Child for Academic Freedom
4. Abbie Smith Flips off Casey Luskin, MS JD Esq.
5. And in a heartwarming conclusion sure to touch the depths of your cold, black Darwinist heart, Casey rises above it all and forgives everyone, especially Wesley Elsberry.
Then there’s the issue that Casey Luskin has a curious connotation for “forgiveness”. In a comment supposedly left by Casey in the thread he cited, Casey specifically “forgives” me for the rough treatment he received there. Yet here we are several months later with Casey apparently retracting that forgiveness. Casey, you can either get props for sincerely forgiving someone for a transgression (though it helps if there actually was a transgression by that person), or you can bash them with the alleged transgression ad infinitum. It simply doesn’t work to try to get props for the sincerity of your “forgiveness” and still be using the supposed fault as your favorite rhetorical billy club.
The close of Casey's presentation was to put up a slide showing all the nasty things that were said about him on the Casey Luskin thread (douchebag, attack mouse, etc) and to highlight an incident where Abbie disemvoweled a troll and then made some less-than-prim comments (the aforementioned tits incident) to the troll on her blog, ERV (details to follow later). It was then he proffered his sincerest apologies.
His argument, in no small part, was that people are mean at AE.org and on blogs, so therefore we need Academic Freedom Bills. *
It is my opinion that his forgiveness is debate tactic disguised as a magnanimous gesture. His closing statements were classic poisoning the well (particularly towards Abbie). But by offering absolution he is trying to make anyone who gets up to challenge him in the Q&A look bitter and angry and, thus, diffuse any rhetorical points they might have scored by confronting him. Casey wasn't offering anyone forgiveness, he was playing the crowd.
*Casey, since you are reading this,this is for you: Science doesn't get done on message boards and in blog comments. You ought to know that, you are one of the few Discovery Institute folks who has done real science in the past. Maybe you should see if the DI will peel off some of it's $4 Million budget, so you can get into a lab or out in the field. When you have offered your work up to the Academy, if people call you names, then you can feel free to complain.
It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)