deadman_932
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| Quote (Physicalist @ Aug. 23 2008,20:58) | Hmmm. My first time on one of these discussion boards. Interesting.
Thanks for the invite Steve S (stevestory, I presume?) So this is where the banned™ hang out, eh. I guess I knew that it wasn't hard to get kicked off UD, but I was still surprised at how quick Billy D. is on the draw. (Defensive much?)
Though in fairness, I'll admit that I did post another slightly snarky comment:
| Quote | Shorter Fuller:
Some old timey scientists believed in God.
ID folks believe in God.
So ID should be taught in high-school science class. |
But I actually believe that was a pretty thoughtful comment, in that it does (in my opinion) concisely capture the core of Fuller's "argument." |
That certainly appears to be the core of his "argument," and it simply sidesteps the issue of what actual *science* ID has produced.
In lieu of any demonstrably supported *science* , we get this charming little forlorn hope from Fuller:
| Quote | "beliefs about divine agency SHOULD yield scientific benefits, namely, in the form of testable hypotheses concerning hidden entities, variables and processes that capture the expression of supernatural power in empirically restricted settings" [my emph.]
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Uh, yeah, Fuller. Nice projection of your wish-fulfillment yearnings, without any real referent. Here's the deal:
(1) Produce evidence that withstands examination, (or, hell, extensively support that one is theoretically ABLE to produce valid evidence) THEN
(2) You get to sit at the big table after you have completed step one -- not before.
So far, as you yourself noted, Steve Fuller, Behe and Dembski have only produced flawed programmes...which you apparently want people to embrace.."regardless of the flaws in their particular formulations."
That's just silly, Steve Fuller.
By the way, Steve Fuller...what's with this weird simile below?
| Quote | The fact that Sarkar found so much of my discussion ‘useless’, ‘extraneous’, ‘unreliable’ and ‘vacuous’ should have made him wonder whether I had written the book he imagined he was reviewing. But no - like the horseshoe crab programmed to be in hot pursuit of edges, he carried on regardless.
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Huh? horseshoe crabs in pursuit of edges? WTF?
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