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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,10:20   

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3325/life-evolution-a-test-tube

"For the first time, scientists have synthesized RNA enzymes – ribonucleic acid enzymes also known as ribozymes - that can replicate themselves without the help of any proteins or other cellular components.

What’s more, these simple nucleic acids can act as catalysts and continue the process indefinitely."

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,11:43   

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 18 2010,00:03)
Quote (REC @ Feb. 17 2010,17:38)
Everything tastes sweet for hours after exposure.

Only hours? Apparently, I get to experience bitter for up to 2 weeks.

I've been bitter for years....oh wait...different thing right?

Louis

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,11:44   

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 22 2010,09:43)
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 18 2010,00:03)
Quote (REC @ Feb. 17 2010,17:38)
Everything tastes sweet for hours after exposure.

Only hours? Apparently, I get to experience bitter for up to 2 weeks.

I've been bitter for years....oh wait...different thing right?

Louis

I'm not bitter, I'm just tangy.

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"But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad

  
sledgehammer



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,11:52   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 22 2010,08:20)
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3325/life-evolution-a-test-tube

Way cool!  Lincoln and Joyce are on a roll.

Predictalbly from the comments :
 
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And I tend to a agree with you, what have we really achieved here? I'll start believing its actually evolution when it starts to become something more than building blocks.
Submitted by Visitor on 21 February 2010 - 3:30pm.


Translation: Yawn.  But it's still a ribosyme.  Wake me up when it turns into a banana.

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The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,14:14   

Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 22 2010,10:52)
Wake me up when it turns into a banana.

Cause that's when it would have a peel?

  
Tony M Nyphot



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,01:06   

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 22 2010,10:44)
 
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 22 2010,09:43)
 
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 18 2010,00:03)
   
Quote (REC @ Feb. 17 2010,17:38)
Everything tastes sweet for hours after exposure.

Only hours? Apparently, I get to experience bitter for up to 2 weeks.

I've been bitter for years....oh wait...different thing right?

Louis

I'm not bitter, I'm just tangy.

HAR, HAR, THIS IS FNXTR



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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,14:56   

Fine tuning - not that fine:


http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/multiple-universes.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article....tiverse

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,16:37   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 23 2010,14:56)
Fine tuning - not that fine:


http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/multiple-universes.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article....tiverse

Yeah!  I want to go to the multiverse that does not include Casey Luskin, Dr. Dr. Dembski and IDCists!

Now that would be a real privileged planet...

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,17:17   

Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 22 2010,12:52)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 22 2010,08:20)
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3325/life-evolution-a-test-tube

Way cool!  Lincoln and Joyce are on a roll.

Predictalbly from the comments :
   
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And I tend to a agree with you, what have we really achieved here? I'll start believing its actually evolution when it starts to become something more than building blocks.
Submitted by Visitor on 21 February 2010 - 3:30pm.


Translation: Yawn.  But it's still a ribosyme.  Wake me up when it turns into a banana.

Don't tell KF that Tracey Lincoln is one hot Jamaican chica that has avoided being barefoot and pregnant under his protection.

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I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,19:59   

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 22 2010,23:06)
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Quote (Louis @ Feb. 22 2010,09:43)
   
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 18 2010,00:03)
   
Quote (REC @ Feb. 17 2010,17:38)
Everything tastes sweet for hours after exposure.

Only hours? Apparently, I get to experience bitter for up to 2 weeks.

I've been bitter for years....oh wait...different thing right?

Louis

I'm not bitter, I'm just tangy.

HAR, HAR, THIS IS FNXTR


Is this from engrish.com?

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,23:15   

abydosaurus

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Abydosaurus (meaning "Abydos lizard") is a genus of brachiosaurid sauropod dinosaur known from skull and postcranial material found in upper Lower Cretaceous rocks of northeastern Utah, United States.


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Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Reptilia
Superorder: Dinosauria
Order: Saurischia
Suborder: Sauropodomorpha
Infraorder: Sauropoda
Family: Brachiosauridae
Genus: Abydosaurus

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,08:24   

5 nucleotide rybozyme.  That's a short ribozyme.

Money quote "To see this, consider that, to pick every possible RNA pentamer sequence from arbitrary pentamers (with probability 0.9975), one needs only accumulate 4.1 × 10?18 gm of RNA. To possess every tetramer (with probability 0.9975) from a pool of arbitrary tetramers, one would need 3.4 × 10?18 gm RNA. In a real polymerization, one would have a distribution of lengths; nonetheless, with only attograms of total RNA of distributed short lengths from some geochemical source, one would have not only our ribozyme, but every activity of comparable size."

Science Daily Report

PNAS Paper

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,08:35   

Not an epically cool science like the 5-nt ribozyme, but a "Things that make you go hmmm..." science.

Liberals and Atheists smarter?

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,09:49   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 25 2010,06:24)
5 nucleotide rybozyme.  That's a short ribozyme.

Science Daily Report

PNAS Paper

Nice. Thanks for the "heads up."

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2010,17:07   

Another human vanity squashed:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture....er-8507

Gil will no doubt find the performance "mechanical".

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2010,13:10   

Coolness:

http://www.evolutionarymodel.com/ervs.htm

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2010,13:18   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,18:07)
Another human vanity squashed:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture....er-8507

Gil will no doubt find the performance "mechanical".

But we're still the only species that can write apps for the iPhone, so there!

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"[A scientific theory] describes Nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept Nature as She is - absurd."
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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2010,17:58   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,18:07)
Another human vanity squashed:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture....er-8507

Gil will no doubt find the performance "mechanical".

There's no programming frilly shirtness.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2010,18:44   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,15:07)
Another human vanity squashed:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture....er-8507

Gil will no doubt find the performance "mechanical".

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“All the computer is is just an extension of me,” Cope says. “They’re nothing but wonderfully organized shovels. I wouldn’t give credit to the shovel for digging the hole. Would you?”


Waters said a similar thing in "Live at Pompeii".

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bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2010,18:49   

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 26 2010,16:44)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,15:07)
Another human vanity squashed:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture....er-8507

Gil will no doubt find the performance "mechanical".

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“All the computer is is just an extension of me,” Cope says. “They’re nothing but wonderfully organized shovels. I wouldn’t give credit to the shovel for digging the hole. Would you?”


Waters said a similar thing in "Live at Pompeii".

Is he saying he's smuggling in design?

  
ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,10:01   

Does it seem to you like the days are just whizzing by?
Now we know why.

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"[A scientific theory] describes Nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept Nature as She is - absurd."
- Richard P. Feynman

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,13:29   

Dinosaur-eating snake described.

Gotta wonder how they kept those guys apart on the Ark...

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,13:45   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 02 2010,13:29)
Dinosaur-eating snake described.

Gotta wonder how they kept those guys apart on the Ark...

Alby - I read the link, and those darned scientists don't even mention if it was one of them there talkin' snakes that was a-sellin' apples to Adam & Eve. :(

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,17:00   

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those darned scientists don't even mention if it was one of them there talkin' snakes that was a-sellin' apples to Adam & Eve.

Since snakes can't hear, how would a talking snake know if a person answered it?

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,17:12   

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 02 2010,17:00)
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those darned scientists don't even mention if it was one of them there talkin' snakes that was a-sellin' apples to Adam & Eve.

Since snakes can't hear, how would a talking snake know if a person answered it?

Henry

Everyone knows talking snakes can read lips, silly.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,17:29   

And speak in forked tongues.

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1of63



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,19:13   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 02 2010,13:29)
Dinosaur-eating snake described.

Gotta wonder how they kept those guys apart on the Ark...

So THAT'S what happened to the dinosaurs!

A lot of them got ON the ARK but all that got off were a bunch of well-fed snakes.  (Duh, duh DUU-UU-UMMM!!)

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2010,19:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,15:07)
Another human vanity squashed:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture....er-8507

Gil will no doubt find the performance "mechanical".

Sure it's great for Eno/Glass material, but can it play "Bad to the Bone"? I'm guessing not.

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"But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad

  
ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2010,13:06   

Einstein was right...again.

New research shows Einstein's General Relativity Theory works even at the scale of galaxy clusters.

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"[A scientific theory] describes Nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept Nature as She is - absurd."
- Richard P. Feynman

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2010,00:11   

An interesting study:
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MINNEAPOLIS / ST. PAUL (03/10/2010) —High school and college students who understand the geological age of the Earth (4.5 billion years) are much more likely to understand and accept human evolution, according to a University of Minnesota study published in the March issue of the journal Evolution.

The finding could give educators a new strategy for teaching evolution, since the Earth’s age is typically covered in physical rather than biological science classes.

Researchers Sehoya Cotner and Randy Moore, professors in College of Biological Sciences, and D. Christopher Brooks, of the university’s Office of Information Technology, surveyed 400 students enrolled in several sections of a University of Minnesota introductory biology course for non-majors.

The survey included questions about knowledge of evolution and whether students were taught evolution or creationism in high school as well as questions about religious and political views. Participation was voluntary and had no effect on grades for the course.

The researchers extracted six variables from the survey to explore factors that contributed to students’ views about the age of the Earth and origins of life and the relation of those beliefs to students’ knowledge of evolution and their vote in the 2008 presidential election.

Using that information, they created a model that shows, for example, when a student’s religious and political views are liberal, they are more likely to believe that the Earth is billions, rather than thousands, of years old and to know more about evolution. Conversely, students with conservative religious and political views are more inclined to think the Earth is much younger (20,000 years or less) and to know less about evolution.

“The role of the Earth’s age is a key variable that we can use to improve education about evolution, which is important because it is the unifying principle of biology,” said lead author Sehoya Cotner, associate professor in the Biology Program, which provides general biology classes for University of Minnesota undergraduates.

Through this and previous surveys, Cotner and her colleagues have learned that 2 percent of students are taught creationism only, 22 percent are taught evolution and creationism, 14 are taught neither and 62 percent evolution only.

“In other words, about one in four high school biology teachers in the upper Midwest are giving students the impression that creationism is a viable explanation for the origins of life on Earth,” Cotner says. “That’s just not acceptable. The Constitution prohibits teaching creationism in schools.”

The researchers noted that understanding the Earth’s age is a difficult concept; even Darwin found it challenging. Teaching and understanding creationist views of about the Earth’s age and life’s origins are much easier.

The paper cites a 2009 Gallup poll that coincided with the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth reporting that only four out of 10 people in the U.S. believe in evolution. The poll also reported that 16 percent of biology teachers believe God created humans in their present form at some time during the last 10,000 years.

The complete study, "Is the age of the Earth one our 'sorest troubles?' Students' perceptions about deep time affect their acceptance of evolutionary theory," can be accessed here.


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Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
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