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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,12:12   





Edited by Lou FCD on Mar. 25 2008,14:07

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,12:21   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 25 2008,12:12)

Do you guys have a Post-of-the-week award?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,12:38   

I second the motion! Midwifetoad, that is brilliant!  :)

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,12:50   

Thanks. I only have a few posts here, but I'm not a total n00b.

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Gary Bohn



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,13:03   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 25 2008,12:50)
Thanks. I only have a few posts here, but I'm not a total n00b.

You have 17 posts here and you haven't hawked your darwincentral blog posts yet? Midwifetoad, you be slackin'.

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,13:08   

Quote (dogdidit @ Mar. 25 2008,13:21)
Do you guys have a Post-of-the-week award?

Done.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,13:13   

Quote (Gary Bohn @ Mar. 25 2008,13:03)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 25 2008,12:50)
Thanks. I only have a few posts here, but I'm not a total n00b.

You have 17 posts here and you haven't hawked your darwincentral blog posts yet? Midwifetoad, you be slackin'.

I just did. ;)

I am not particularly pleased when people come to a forum just to flog their own, so I don't plan to spend my time here linking to my own stuff.

The Stein fiasco, however, just drives me wild. I have been called a Nazi by better people than the Discoveroids.

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,15:42   

Is there any sign of a real Nazi complaining about the misuse of the label by the Creationists?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,16:42   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 25 2008,19:13)
I am not particularly pleased when people come to a forum just to flog their own, so I don't plan to spend my time here linking to my own stuff.

A warm belated welcome to the Antio'leary. Are you here to buy books?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,17:48   

From before:



http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....;t=5412

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,17:52   

Richard - you should update your ID Tree to include YOUR POTW sticker...

The Darwin Mit Uns is GREAT, but hey, I got to stick up for ma homies too yall..

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,19:13   

Charles Darwin and a baby rhesus macaque are the mother and father of Adolf Hitler?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,19:18   

Quote (Stanton @ Mar. 25 2008,19:13)
Charles Darwin and a baby rhesus macaque are the mother and father of Adolf Hitler?

HAS NOT SEEN EXPELLED?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2008,22:59   



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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,08:19   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2008,17:48)
From before:

must.
swallow.
coffee.
before.
reading.
forum.

Wow.
Okay, so the FNG sits back in slack-jawed admiration.
And dammit that was STARBUCKS dammit, not that swill from the company cafeteria. Cost more than this shirt.

Back to work...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,08:22   

Quote (Quidam @ Mar. 25 2008,22:59)

OUTSTANDING!  

Welcome and Thank You.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,09:25   

The emphasis the movie makes on the holocaust is a Godsend (literally).  Everyone knows about Holocaust revisionists and how to deal with them.  That the notorious antisemite Mathis actually paid a Jew to stand up and lie for him makes it all the more ironic.

If they had chosen Stalin it would have been more difficult to rebut in a way that the average 'Merkin could comprehend, but Nazis are too easy. Since the Expelled site publicly claims "Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany", that's hate speech in virtually all countries.  If that aspect is emphasised the ID folk will be backpedalling from the movie so fast only AiG will be left.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,10:18   

I've been away far too long. These shops are brilliant.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,10:26   

Quote (bourgeois_rage @ Mar. 26 2008,10:18)
Overwhelming Evidence:  Apply Directly To The Forehead


Love your tag line...

Be careful though - I hear you can OD on that stuff.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,10:46   

Speaking on Nazis and Ben Stein, Michael Shermer noted that during his Expelled interview Stein made some questionable comments about "blacks" that lead him to believe Stein probably harbors racist ideas.  He also said he (Shermer) wrote a review for Scientific American.

Has anyone seen that review or read more about Stein's alleged racist leanings?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:15   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 26 2008,10:46)
Speaking on Nazis and Ben Stein, Michael Shermer noted that during his Expelled interview Stein made some questionable comments about "blacks" that lead him to believe Stein probably harbors racist ideas.  He also said he (Shermer) wrote a review for Scientific American.

Has anyone seen that review or read more about Stein's alleged racist leanings?

A google search for '"Ben Stein' racist" returned this article he wrote for the American Spectator after Katrina.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8799

After Goodwining himself in the first sentence, he gives us his thesis: "The big lie of the Hurricane Katrina story is that it reveals deep and hateful racism in America, that blacks were treated worse than other people because they were black, and that this shows the hypocrisy of this supposedly egalitarian nation."

The fact that black people were disproportionately affected is merely a coincidence, in Stein's view. It was "poverty" that was to blame.

Well, maybe they were poor, at least in part, because they were black? No, says Stein. Their poverty was "in no sense caused by white mistreatment of blacks unless it was white mistreatment of blacks that ended many decades ago." (The possibility that past discrimination could have an effect on future generations is not addressed.)

Oh, and lots of white people tried to help out afterwards. So, obviously, racism had nothing to do with it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:23   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 26 2008,09:46)
Speaking on Nazis and Ben Stein, Michael Shermer noted that during his Expelled interview Stein made some questionable comments about "blacks" that lead him to believe Stein probably harbors racist ideas.  He also said he (Shermer) wrote a review for Scientific American.

Has anyone seen that review or read more about Stein's alleged racist leanings?

:O Jeebus...H...Chriminey...
That Spectator article:  
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Josef Goebbels would have been happy with much of the mainstream media in the past few weeks since Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast. Goebbels, for those of you too young to know, was Hitler's propaganda minister. He is credited with creating the concept of The Big Lie. The idea was that if you tell a lie big enough often enough, people will believe it.

Josef Goebbels, again! Josef Goebbels! He's everywhere! Nazis in our public schools! Nazis in the bathroom of the Mpls/St Paul airport! The Nazis are taking ovahhhhhhh!

I can't stand it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:26   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 26 2008,14:23)
Josef Goebbels, again! Josef Goebbels! He's everywhere! Nazis in our public schools! Nazis in the bathroom of the Mpls/St Paul airport! The Nazis are taking ovahhhhhhh!

I can't stand it.

What???

You can't belly dance wearing black leather boots?

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:37   

This is a bit like salted peanuts. I can't make just one.



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:39   

Here's a really long article from the Hollywood Investigator in 2003 that traces Stein's career:

http://www.hollywoodinvestigator.com/2003/benstein.htm

Ben's a real pull-yourself-up-by-your-own-bootstraps kind of guy:

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Stein recalled a black woman who'd asked him, following his speech at Pepperdine University, how people were to get an education after cuts in the school budget.  "What I said to her was, no public school system has ever been invented that is so poor that a really well-motivated, well- disciplined student cannot get an education.  There's libraries, there's internet, there's newspapers, there are inexpensive books.  Some of the problem of the unemployment among inner city African-Americans is due to their own inability to educate themselves, to get themselves marketable skills.

"I'm a huge fan of rap.  I'm floored at the incredible creativity and discipline and hard work of some of these rap stars who make themselves into giant sensations.  I keep thinking to myself, the inner city is an enormous reservoir of talent that has yet to be tapped by America -- but it has to tap itself first of all."


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,15:32   

Quote (Lowell @ Mar. 26 2008,14:39)
Stein recalled a black woman who'd asked him, following his speech at Pepperdine University, how people were to get an education after cuts in the school budget.  "What I said to her was, no public school system has ever been invented that is so poor that a really well-motivated, well- disciplined student cannot get an education.  

Ben Stein, in addition to this neurotic thing of seeing Nazis behind every corner and under every rock, is plainly VERY VERY sheltered...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,16:29   

Great idea MidWifeToad.  But do you mind if I take the blue ball and run with it a bit


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,16:32   

Call me stupid but I just do not understand this fascination with Nazis.

I mean, I think I went through a Nazi phase in the third grade, but it was short lived.

So, let me get this straight.  Darwinism leads to Nazi-ism.  OK, right.  But, only in Germany in the 1930's.  Nowhere else in the world, in no other country, at no other time in the past 150 years except in Germany in the 1930's.

Therefore it would appear that Expelled was produced by third graders, or is that being unfair to third graders?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,17:10   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 26 2008,16:32)
Call me stupid but I just do not understand this fascination with Nazis.

I mean, I think I went through a Nazi phase in the third grade, but it was short lived.

So, let me get this straight.  Darwinism leads to Nazi-ism.  OK, right.  But, only in Germany in the 1930's.  Nowhere else in the world, in no other country, at no other time in the past 150 years except in Germany in the 1930's.

Therefore it would appear that Expelled was produced by third graders, or is that being unfair to third graders?

Doc Bill - Brilliant - I think you just got put on the Nixon D. I. Enemies list.

Congratualtions.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,17:33   

Ben Repaints History


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