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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,00:33   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmb3TleQHJw&feature=related

Him, on evilution, on Bill O Reilly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,03:16   

"the ones who bother me the most are the ones who say they're Christians but then they don't live like it at all"

Me too, Huckabee, me too..  Now all you have to do is openly speak out against the intolerance, bigotry, and outright hatred being promoted by certain Christian groups.

Otherwise you're just talking out of your own butthole about things that you don't really give a damn about.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,08:44   

Q: How is Mike Huckabee like the Discovery Institute?

A: They both
solicit money from Christian Reconstructionists.

   
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,09:57   

A scary Huckabee story:
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A look at the former Arkansas governor’s records shows that he didn’t shy away when he felt God needed to be defended in legislation.

In 1997, after a tornado ripped through the town of Arkadelphia, Ark., then Gov. Huckabee had spent over three weeks battling his state’s legislators over legal terminology in a disaster insurance bill that referred to natural disasters as “acts of God.”

Huckabee argued that God could not be blamed for the region’s destruction, countering the centuries-old legal terminology and the state’s legislature, the General Assembly. The dispute made local headlines and created tension with other state legislators, some of which called him “petty.”

“‘Petty’ is the best word to describe him,” said Dennis R. Young, a state representative at the time who sponsored the relief measure, according to the Los Angeles Times. “In these kinds of things, he’d make mountains out of molehills.”

Yet the small-town pastor turned Arkansas governor did not give in and in the end the two sides agreed on the substitute term “natural causes.”


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,11:11   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 02 2008,08:57)
A scary Huckabee story:
 
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A look at the former Arkansas governor’s records shows that he didn’t shy away when he felt God needed to be defended in legislation.

In 1997, after a tornado ripped through the town of Arkadelphia, Ark., then Gov. Huckabee had spent over three weeks battling his state’s legislators over legal terminology in a disaster insurance bill that referred to natural disasters as “acts of God.”

Huckabee argued that God could not be blamed for the region’s destruction, countering the centuries-old legal terminology and the state’s legislature, the General Assembly. The dispute made local headlines and created tension with other state legislators, some of which called him “petty.”

“‘Petty’ is the best word to describe him,” said Dennis R. Young, a state representative at the time who sponsored the relief measure, according to the Los Angeles Times. “In these kinds of things, he’d make mountains out of molehills.”

Yet the small-town pastor turned Arkansas governor did not give in and in the end the two sides agreed on the substitute term “natural causes.”

What? So God didn't create nature, then?

What a flipping waste of time! :O

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,08:56   

After Huckabee's Iowa win, I think we need to bump this thread.  I'm thinking that someone (Arden) should take a page out of Karl Rove's Book Of Dirty Tricks and create the Homo's Heart Huckabee PAC.  

I am sure the Huckabee supporters would love to see Gay Pride Parades in their neighborhoods. Didn't Jesus tell them to love their fellow man?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:12   

I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.

:p  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:15   

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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:21   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,08:56)
After Huckabee's Iowa win, I think we need to bump this thread.  I'm thinking that someone (Arden) should take a page out of Karl Rove's Book Of Dirty Tricks and create the Homo's Heart Huckabee PAC.  

I am sure the Huckabee supporters would love to see Gay Pride Parades in their neighborhoods. Didn't Jesus tell them to love their fellow man?

Maybe the folks who ran the late and lamented "Baptists for Brownback" site can get busy and generate a similar satirical one for Huckabee.

Heguenots for Huckabee?

Muslims for Mike?

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:23   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,09:15)
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:25   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,10:23)
I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

Wow.  I admit it.

I really am surprised.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:27   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:23)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 04 2008,09:15)
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

If you vote for Obama, we'll be voting for the same candidate!  

*Swoon*

:D

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:29   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:12)
I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.

:p  :p

He plays bass.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:35   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 04 2008,10:29)
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:12)
I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.

:p  :p

He plays bass.

Now that right there is pathetic level of detail.

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:54   

Quote (someotherguy @ Jan. 04 2008,09:27)
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:23)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 04 2008,09:15)
 
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

If you vote for Obama, we'll be voting for the same candidate!  

*Swoon*

:D

I rather like the guy, and it's really the Democrat's turn to have the white house.  But, if he picks Hillary as a running mate, he's done for.  That woman has too much baggage.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,11:49   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,15:23)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 04 2008,09:15)
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

Wow. Two of those would be in my "top  3" (if I were an American)

I'm not a HUGE fan of Guliani, but the guy has style, and he seems so....honest.

Obama I like, but I don't know enough about him (I've been almost avoiding the news over the hols, I didn't want to have to think about politics all the damn year round, after all)

McCain I....sort of like. However, I heard, and forgive me, but I don't recall where, something about him and Iran? I can't remember exactly what it was either, but it made me uneasy.

But personally, I like Clinton. Then again, I liked Bill too (but not entirely, guy made some pretty messed up moves, and frankly, anyone who has sent anyone to their deaths "lawful" or not, loses points with me)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,11:54   

It's interesting that the high moral standard of FtK allows her to favor Giuliani, given his multiple divorces, lots of affairs, documented misuse of municipal funds to visit his lovers, and a long-time association with crooks and liars like Bernard Kerik.

I guess if you can overlook what's wrong with Sal, you can overlook anything...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,12:37   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 04 2008,11:54)
It's interesting that the high moral standard of FtK allows her to favor Giuliani, given his multiple divorces, lots of affairs, documented misuse of municipal funds to visit his lovers, and a long-time association with crooks and liars like Bernard Kerik.

I guess if you can overlook what's wrong with Sal, you can overlook anything...

Honey, we all make mistakes and I don't think I'd ever exclude someone from being considered for the Presidency for making mistakes in their personal life.  It does bother me a bit that there are so many personal issues with Guiliani, but I've not checked out what is rumor and what is fact yet.  I haven't had time to thoroughly think through who I want to vote in for President.  

Now, Clinton receiving a blow job in the oval office does present a problem for me.  Actually a big one.  I have lots of reasons for feeling that way, but it's irrelevant because he's not running anyway.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,13:14   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:54)
   
Quote (someotherguy @ Jan. 04 2008,09:27)
     
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

If you vote for Obama, we'll be voting for the same candidate!  

*Swoon*

:D

I rather like the guy, and it's really the Democrat's turn to have the white house.  But, if he picks Hillary as a running mate, he's done for.  That woman has too much baggage.

I suspect he'd sooner run with a clown as VP than Hillary.

You probably don't follow the politics among filthy leftists too closely ( :) ), but Hillary's often reviled as a warmongering Republican sellout pretending to be a Democrat. (It doesn't help that she campaigned for Richard Nixon.)

So, although she benefits from expensive ad campaigns and extensive name recognition, she suffers from a serious problem when it comes to not being hated by her fellow Democrats, candidates and activists alike. The fact that she often says completely contradictory things minutes from each other doesn't help much, either. It makes her seem a wee bit dishonest, maybe. :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,15:33   

If you ask me, we spend way too much attention on the presidential campaign. It goes along with my hypothesis that Americans personalize experiences too much, and are impatient with process and analysis. The presidential campaign is too much like watching sports, like worshipping/dissing this or that player (as opposed to analyzing the plays, and as opposed to playing the game oneself). We’ve already spent too much time on who is of what religion, as if I care – whoever you vote for, the theist gets in, and that has nothing to do with how well or poorly that person represents me. (I do, however, wish that an atheist could run for President and actually have a chance to get elected.)

What I care about is how the candidate is going to uphold a secular (as opposed to atheist) government. (I’d high-tail it to Canada if government officials started talking about who is or is not a true atheist.) I’m hearing quibbling over religion, who is or not a true Christian (how could anyone know?), and how scary the Mormons are because they allegedly believe the devil is Jesus’s brother (so what?), as if that has anything to do with how we’re going to tackle the national debt or overturn the Supreme Court’s noxious eminent domain ruling (anybody remember that?), or what in blazes we’re going to do about Iraq, or how we’re going to fund our public libraries and veterans’ benefits, or when the U.S. government is finally going to embrace the enormous opportunity that presents itself as a result of global private industry tackling global climate change on its own, because their CEOs see what the denialists don’t.

Even if we have a science debate, which I support, I’m afraid it will also degenerate into more “is it/isn’t it evolution” with no discussion of why we can say  that something is (provisionally) true, because that sounds “weak,” right? People want black and white (while strangely not accepting the rather plain-spoken statement that there is no scientific evidence that “contracts evolution”). Likewise, we’ll get the old “who is your hero, Richard Dawkins or Rick Warren” routine, and miss the whole point that even an eminent scientist has to be viewed within the context of his methods and peers. We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.” (There’s nothing more exciting than challenging your “hero” on some weak point of his and perhaps advancing an idea yourself that no one else has yet, but people don’t get that. They see things in terms of “debate,” simplistic either-or platitudes. This is why I haven’t watched any of the debates.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,15:39   

Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:33)
We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.”

You're making an awful lot of sense... I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nomnate YOU for President.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,15:49   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,14:39)
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:33)
We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.”

You're making an awful lot of sense... I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nomnate YOU for President.

That means I gotta pick a science advisor. Hmmm...

Can you start Monday? ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,15:54   

Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:49)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,14:39)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:33)
We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.”

You're making an awful lot of sense... I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nomnate YOU for President.

That means I gotta pick a science advisor. Hmmm...

Can you start Monday? ;)

Thanks, but I think I am more qualified to be in charge of Monkey Business.  :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,21:26   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,15:54)
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:49)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,14:39)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:33)
We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.”

You're making an awful lot of sense... I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nomnate YOU for President.

That means I gotta pick a science advisor. Hmmm...

Can you start Monday? ;)

Thanks, but I think I am more qualified to be in charge of Monkey Business.  :)

It's a pleasure, Senator Hart...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,00:53   

very nice, Kristine.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,19:54   

Very well said, Kristine, and apologies over here for hijacking your emergent evolution thread over there with my ramblings.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,20:12   

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I rather like the guy, and it's really the Democrat's turn to have the white house.  But, if he picks Hillary as a running mate, he's done for.  That woman has too much baggage.

Instead of nitpicking your apostrophe catastrophe, I'll point out that if you think Barack Obama would pick Hillary Clinton as a running mate, you might know less about politics than you do about science or philosophy.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,20:22   

Obama is all but forced to pick a white male from the south, such as Mark Warner. There is a tiny outside chance that he will pick a while male from somewhere else, such as Joe Biden.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,20:36   

New Hampshire is coming up on Tuesday. Prior to Iowa, Obama and Hillary were tied in NH within the margin-of-error of polls. Today, Rasmussen says he's ten points above her. Today the political futures markets continued the dramatic changes set in motion Thursday night, and they're now giving him majority odds of winning the nomination. Our first black president might be 381 days away.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,21:13   

I had been pretty ambivalent about the three viable Democrats.  As time went by, I heard more and more from Obama about his faith.  It might be a winning strategy in this place and time, but it's the exact opposite of what this country needs.  We've had years of political decisions based on Divine Revelation, so I'm not sure how that's "Change", which is what he purports to be about.  I like some of his stances (on the war for instance), but not others (opposes equality for the non-heterosexual segment of society - but supports civil unions - I'm lukewarm on this stance, but it's not a complete deal breaker since all three of them share it).  Oprah endorsed him.  I really can't stomach that woman, so although I wouldn't base a political decision on that, it doesn't help me like him more.  He wants to eviscerate NASA's budget.  That REALLY makes me dislike him.

Edwards was OK.  He's a civil union guy too, but his wife is very much in favor of recognizing marriage equality for all Americans.  I was kinda OK with him, with the hope that his wife would encourage him to do the right thing on that.  Then I heard him say that although he "believes in evolution", he thinks school boards should decide what's taught in classrooms.  Sorry.  Majority vote does not invalidate the Constitution, and if you can't grasp that very basic concept of this Republic, you're not getting my vote.

I'm not a huge Hillary fan.  I don't dislike her, but she doesn't really excite me, either.  She was kind of my tentative choice by elimination.  Then she made that statement about getting the politicians out of the science labs.  If nothing else, she's at least paying lip service.

Unless something pretty drastic changes, she'll get my vote.

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