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KimvdLinde



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,06:17   

Quote (ERV @ Mar. 25 2008,21:07)
Heh, its not showing in Oklahoma.

A Creationist movie.

Not showing in Oklahoma.

It is not a YEC-film, so not hard-core fundamentalist enough......

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,10:04   

I'm not sure why the "not invited" meme persists in the IDC cheerleading camp. Didn't they see the "Events and Tours" page?

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,10:15   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 26 2008,10:04)
I'm not sure why the "not invited" meme persists in the IDC cheerleading camp. Didn't they see the "Events and Tours" page?

Because it allows them to continue to focus on personalities rather than facts.  Portraying PZ and Dawkins as uninvited agitators keeps folks from actually evaluating the merits of what PZ is saying. Note that the Premise Media press release the other day plumbs out a 3 year old PT quote from PZ which plays to the prejudices of the target audience.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,10:31   

Looks like Michael Shermer picked up on the underhanded tone of this steaming pile of shit during the interview.  I picked this up from this review

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My take on Mathis is that he's an opportunist. He says and does whatever he thinks necessary to get his film made and now promoted. My guess on the latest flap about tossing PZ out of the screening but not Dawkins was PZ's original assumption that they just didn't notice Dawkins there, and only after the fact rationalizing the whole affair with plausible (and ever changing) reasons.

For my part, the moment I sat down with Stein (with Mathis there) and he asked me that question about firing people for expressing dissenting views a dozen times, I realized that I was being manipulated to give certain answers they were looking for me to give. I asked them both, several times, if they had anything else to ask me about evolutionary theory or Intelligent Design. In frustration I finally said something like "Do you have any other questions to ask me or do you keep asking me this question in hopes that I'll give a different answer?"

That's when Stein finally changed the subject and asked about social Darwinism. We got into a lengthy discussion about Adam Smith, which he seemed surprised to learn that I seemed to know more about the great economist than he did! For example, he didn't seem to even realize that Smith's first book was "The Theory of Moral Sentiments", and that Smith didn't trust businessmen any more than he trusted government bureaucrats, and that we need a mix of enlightened self-interest and strictly enforced rules of trade. But as I noted in my review of the film for Scientific American, Stein was especially displeased with my linkage of Smith and Darwin, that Darwin read Smith as an undergraduate at Edinburgh, etc. I also pointed out to him that Darwin has been used and abused by ideologues of all stripes, and that in any case that is all separate from whether the science is good or not. That seemed to tax his thinking too much, because shortly after he announced that he had to take a rest break and he just got up and went out to his car for about 20 minutes! Seriously, he just went out to the street next to our office and sat in the rent car they had! I couldn't believe it. We had only been going for about 30 minutes and he was tired? And this was in the late morning. I joked with Mathis that, this being Hollywood and all, I wondered if Stein was out doing a line of cocaine.... Mathis assured me that Stein doesn't do drugs, but I found the whole thing to be quite odd. Then Stein came back in and that's when we walked around the office with the handheld camera to get some B-Roll footage, and they showed him asking me about my books, and that's where I told him I thought ID was much closer to pseudoscience than science. Then he asked me AGAIN if I thought people should be fired....

The whole experience was a bit surreal, and I found Stein to be a somewhat disagreeable man. He tried to come off like he was a star and that I should have been star-struck, and when I wasn't that seemed to get under his skin a bit. For example, when he came back into the office from resting in his car, I said something like "gentlemen, I've got work to do so I'd like to wrap this thing up now," he looked at me like "hey, don't you realize who I am and that you should be grateful to be talking to me?" I let him off the hook a bit in my review about his questionable comment about blacks, but I suspect he has some racist tendencies.



Hey kevin11 are you still claiming this is a documentary or have you admitted it's nothing but fundy propaganda yet?

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,13:22   

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It looks like the remaining screenings are being completely reorganized and re-scheduled.

That's too bad. I've been collecting information about Michigan's statute 338 that applies to private security businesses and their employees. As I expected, such companies have to be bonded, and employees are issued identification cards. What I hadn't known was that was a felony for someone to falsely represent themselves as an employee of a private security business if they are not, in fact, an employee of a firm in compliance and bonded.

If Minnesota law is similar, PZ or others could see about getting an investigation into whether Mr. Security Guard at that screening was really a bona fide professional, or just someone in the entourage with a costume.

Michigan law, by the way, really appears to have it in for folks who make up fake shields and badges.

I figured it would come to this.

They are going to have to go underground and into secretive mode with their pre-screening.  They'll hold pre-screenings, but they won't tell anybody where they'll be.

Which is hilarious in so many ways if the entire point of the pre-screening campaign was to generate a buzz and interest for the broader big screen rollout.

There is some reason here to wonder if they really do have a contract to get it distributed or if that too is a bunch of BS

I know Flock of Dodo's tried hard but was never signed up for something like that.  It doesn't sound like expelled is the sort of movie you'd ever see at the Mall 16 unless it is underwritten by big, deep and really stupid pockets.

I don't see how they can flush their "buzz machine" and make an April 18th opening.

I have a director/editor nextdoor, and he tells me that you can mess with schedules all that the budget will allow- before you have contracted/announced your opening.  Theaters must know that the advertising and the product will come together at the same time.  They are going to have dead screens, and dead screens cost lots of money.

That's why I'm not worried about the whole "any publicity is good for Expelled" argument. Their publicity has peaked, and peaked too soon.

As for the film itself, it's so bad because it's vacuous. It's almost not there. Also, did you know this about Sternberg?
 
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In a November, 2005 National Public Radio report on the affair Sternberg stated "I'm not an evangelical, I'm not a fundamentalist, I'm not a young earth creationist, I'm not a theistic evolutionist". Sternberg said McVay "related to me, 'the Smithsonian Institution's reaction to your publishing the Meyer article was far worse than you imagined'." Barbara Bradley Hagerty, NPR's religion reporter, said Sternberg himself believes intelligent design is "fatally flawed."[33]


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,13:54   

WHERE ARE MY FIVE QUESTIONS?

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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:09   

Considering his "Ilse, She-Wolf of the SS" fetish, here's one:

"Sparta preceded Darwin with over 2000 years, yet their contemporaries wrote of them practicing eugenics. Did Darwin have a time machine and if so, do you find it plausible that oiled and muscled macho men (and women) would take advice from a victorian gentleman?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 26 2008,13:54)
WHERE ARE MY FIVE QUESTIONS?

Sorry Richard  - Here you go: (BTW - your question almost flounced at me just like FTK!)

1.  Kevin, what is your educational background?

2.  Why were you so easily duped by Cornelius Hunter and his book "Sciences Blind Spot?

3.  Please comment on the fact that Cornelius Hunter had trouble distinguishing between a wolf and a thalycine, and tried to use a picture of a thalycine from a coloring book as a teaching tool.

4.  As an ID supporter, please tell us what the actual Theory of ID is. (Telling us what is wrong with TOE does not count.)

5.  Which god is the right god?  Is it Zeus, the Christian God (and which sect for extra credit), Allah or Other?

edited for sp

added in edit - The Corny Hunter Thread.  Coloring Book stuff on Jan 26

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....+hunter

Nother edit :  I forgot about Wes taking Hunter to task for "fudging" the differences between wolves and thalycines in a presentation Hunter made...  link is at Wes' site:

http://austringer.net/wp/?p=493

Rich:  So maybe ask Kevin :  What is it about Liers at the DI?

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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:20   

That would be Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS.

I don't seem to be able to edit my posts. Either through incompetence (likely!) or the way the board is configured. Considering the willingness of cdesign proponentsists to blackhole I can understand the reasoning for the latter however.

In all seriousness, I think the Sparta connection is interesting, because whether or not they actually practiced eugenics, their contemporaries at the very least knew of the idea.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,14:55   

You knew it was coming. Over at UD, jpcollado uses the trusty "Were you there?" argument.
 
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MacNeill @ 12:
“As far as I know, the people in line didn’t have to register at the door.”

Mr.MacNeill, did you go to any of these screenings?

Maybe he should ask the same question of DaveTard, who seems to have an awful lot of inaccurate opinions about this incident...

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,15:20   

As to the "Events and Tours" page, I made the mistake of getting all enthused about it too.  Unfortunately, it's actually only "inviting" you the bus tour thing they had going on.  Still, it the whole idea of an invitation is foolish anyway.  It's an internet marketing campaign, for Christ's sake.  The whole idea is get people to pass stuff around and promote it for you.  What, they expected mass-emailed-to-people to keep it extra-special-super-ninja-secret? If anything, one should ask why Mathis is such a dick that he wouldn't exercise some common courtesy and invite the man in his own movie to the screening in the first place.  I mean, we all know the answer, but that doesn't mean the question shouldn't be asked as often as they harp on the lack-of-invitation crap. Sons of bitches.  There.  I feel better now.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,15:48   

Quote (didymos @ Mar. 26 2008,15:20)
The whole idea is get people to pass stuff around and promote it for you.  What, they expected mass-emailed-to-people to keep it extra-special-super-ninja-secret?

Of course. Here are a few extra-special-super-ninja-secret websites where the invitation to the "private screenings" have been relayed in code.

  One Great City ~ CH!CAGO

  Family Facts Arizona

  WISCONSIN FAMILY COUNCIL

And if you RSVP and receive a confirmation, then you would certainly consider the invitation to be "official".

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,16:16   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 26 2008,13:22)
That's why I'm not worried about the whole "any publicity is good for Expelled" argument. Their publicity has peaked, and peaked too soon.

As for the film itself, it's so bad because it's vacuous. It's almost not there. Also, did you know this about Sternberg?
 
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In a November, 2005 National Public Radio report on the affair Sternberg stated "I'm not an evangelical, I'm not a fundamentalist, I'm not a young earth creationist, I'm not a theistic evolutionist". Sternberg said McVay "related to me, 'the Smithsonian Institution's reaction to your publishing the Meyer article was far worse than you imagined'." Barbara Bradley Hagerty, NPR's religion reporter, said Sternberg himself believes intelligent design is "fatally flawed."[33]

Of all the notorious Intelligent Design "martyrs", the only one I have a bit of sympathy for is Sternberg.  I think that there was a conflict of interest, but that he was truthful about having the paper reviewed by other scientists.  A lot of bad papers make it through the peer review process - Meyer's paper was an example of that.  Not simply because it mentioned his design hypothesis without any positive evidence, but primarily because he tried to bite off more than he could chew.  

I think Sternberg was simply had the erroneous opinion that the paper would foster healthy debate and therefore science could gain something by it.  The problem of course is that the "design hypothesis" is a science-stopper as Neil DeGrasse Tyson says.  If the Cambrian explosion is considered to be due to Go...an "Intelligent Agent's" intervention then there would be no reason to investigate further.  I suspect Sternberg doesn't realize just how fatally flawed the idea is.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,16:37   

From one of the tards at UncommonDuplicity:

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Actually, there are links to the rsvp system that come from the Evolution News & Views website.

From Evolution News & Views, click on “Academic Freedom Petition”. From there, click on “Get Expelled”. Click on “Events & Tours” and Click on “RSVP”.

I imagine there are other ways (I found this one accidentally, while reading Evolution News & Views). This showing wasn’t a secret. This showing wasn’t a private party. This had a perfectly legit way to sign up if you were interested.


This tard is right.  It works.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,17:00   

Quote (factician @ Mar. 26 2008,14:37)
From one of the tards at UncommonDuplicity:

 
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Actually, there are links to the rsvp system that come from the Evolution News & Views website.

From Evolution News & Views, click on “Academic Freedom Petition”. From there, click on “Get Expelled”. Click on “Events & Tours” and Click on “RSVP”.

I imagine there are other ways (I found this one accidentally, while reading Evolution News & Views). This showing wasn’t a secret. This showing wasn’t a private party. This had a perfectly legit way to sign up if you were interested.


This tard is right.  It works.


Nah, Factitician.  It unfortunately doesn't.  That's just the Expelled bus tour thing again.  Here's the various RSVP sites:

Bus Tour, navigable to through the standard GetExpelled site:

http://rsvp.getexpelled.com/events/movies/expelled

Next is the one Davey helpfully posted at UD, and which PZ apparently used:

http://rsvp.getexpelled.com/events/events/list

Thirdly, there's this one, which figures in how-I-don't-know, but which just lists the same upcoming stuff as above, only without the completed showings:

http://rsvp.getexpelled.com/events/special/expelled

It's that third page which refers to them as "Expelled Private Screenings", again despite them being listed on the "non-private" screening page.  And of course, it now has this little treat:

 
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Due to unavoidable changes in the travel plans of the producers of “Expelled”, several of our screenings have been canceled or are being rescheduled to a new date or time. If you'd like to be notified once a new screening in your area is confirmed, please sign-up on one of the waitlists below.


I've run across various comments that the pages have been altered in ways besides the "TBD" on the showing dates and the message above, but haven't been able to find out what the supposed alterations are.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,17:06   

Quote (didymos @ Mar. 26 2008,17:00)
Quote (factician @ Mar. 26 2008,14:37)
From one of the tards at UncommonDuplicity:

   
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Actually, there are links to the rsvp system that come from the Evolution News & Views website.

From Evolution News & Views, click on “Academic Freedom Petition”. From there, click on “Get Expelled”. Click on “Events & Tours” and Click on “RSVP”.

I imagine there are other ways (I found this one accidentally, while reading Evolution News & Views). This showing wasn’t a secret. This showing wasn’t a private party. This had a perfectly legit way to sign up if you were interested.


This tard is right.  It works.


Nah, Factitician.  It unfortunately doesn't.  That's just the Expelled bus tour thing again.  Here's the various RSVP sites:

Bus Tour, navigable to through the standard GetExpelled site:

http://rsvp.getexpelled.com/events/movies/expelled

Next is the one Davey helpfully posted at UD, and which PZ apparently used:

http://rsvp.getexpelled.com/events/events/list

Thirdly, there's this one, which figures in how-I-don't-know, but which just lists the same upcoming stuff as above, only without the completed showings:

http://rsvp.getexpelled.com/events/special/expelled

It's that third page which refers to them as "Expelled Private Screenings", again despite them being listed on the "non-private" screening page.  And of course, it now has this little treat:

 
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Due to unavoidable changes in the travel plans of the producers of “Expelled”, several of our screenings have been canceled or are being rescheduled to a new date or time. If you'd like to be notified once a new screening in your area is confirmed, please sign-up on one of the waitlists below.


I've run across various comments that the pages have been altered in ways besides the "TBD" on the showing dates and the message above, but haven't been able to find out what the supposed alterations are.

I signed up to be on their waiting list.  I will let you all know if/when they pull themselves out of limbo, and forward me the Secret Sign / Date and Time(s).

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,17:23   

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WHERE ARE MY FIVE QUESTIONS?

Your call for questions arises with respect to your assertion, and Kevin Miller's denial, that his actions support the insertion of ID into public school classrooms. Right?

Were any of those "expelled," as documented by the movie, public school teachers/personnel who allegedly suffered negative consequences for their advocacy of intelligent design within that setting? Does the movie oppose such consequences?

Seems to me that opposing such consequences for ID advocacy in that setting, ipso facto, amounts to support for the insertion of ID into public school classrooms.

Same for opposition to any "expulsions" (whatever that means) that occurred as a consequence of ID advocacy at any level of school board (local, state, etc.). Opposition to consequences at that level ipso facto supports the insertion of ID into public schools.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,17:52   

Zachriel has already given a link to from an expelled-friendly blog site: http://onegreatcityblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/private-screening.html, which, on 2008-03-11, encouraged the whole world to visit  http://rsvp.getexpelled.com/events/special/expelled

Whoever runs that site clearly thought it was ok to pass the invite on to a wider audience.  That audience included Glen Davison.  

AISI This lends weight to the "viral marketing" argument.  If the makers were indentifying specific individuals, the invite-urls would contain a reference number identifying the invitee and they wouldn't need to enter their names again.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,18:22   

I see where all those invitees to the Minnesota showing who responded to personal restricted invites are pouring out of the woodwork to defend DaveScotts latest--- I mean, surely since everyone in the blogosphere is yapping about this, especially those viewers that were sympathetic to the movie who attended the Minnesota screening PZ was ushered out of.

DaveScott...........anyone...............anyone?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,18:32   

Kevin has posted the "5 questions" that he was asking for earlier and has "answered" them. Please be gentle:

http://kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwi....omments

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,21:15   

Y'all are barking up the wrong tree because Kevin doesn't know squat.  He's just a screenwriter.  Given pap he tries to make it interesting pap.

Does he understand the science?  Clearly, no.

Does he understand the issues?  Clearly, no.

So why pester the poor dolt with a bunch of questions he's clueless to answer?

My first question, eons ago, is still unanswered.  From what was Sternberg expelled?  See the movie was the answer.

Screw that.  I don't need to see the movie because I already know the answer from the public record.  Sternberg was expelled from NOTHING.

Lose his job at the Smithsonian?  Nope, he didn't work for the Smithsonian, how could he lose a job he didn't hold?

Lost his job from the NIH?  Nope, he still works at the NIH?

Fired as editor of the Washington Bio Journal?  Nope, he ended his tenure as editor MONTHS before the infamous paper was published.

Demoted at the Smithsonian?  Again, how?  He didn't work for the Smithsonian.  He was a Research Associate at the Smithsonian sort of like a visitor to a library, if memory serves, but his sponsor DIED!  You need a sponsor to be an RA and his sponsor DIED.  Without a sponsor a researcher is classified a Research Contributor.  Sternberg wasn't demoted, his sponsor died and his title changed.

So, Kevin, please enlighten us all to the secret information about Sternberg that you know and the rest of the world doesn't.

Or, let me guess, hmmmmm, Sternberg wasn't expelled from anything.  That's the correct answer, Kevin, isn't it?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,21:27   

My question is something even a screenwriter should know:

1.  Who made your computer simulations of a 'cell as an automated city'?

Cause the guy listed on the EXPELLED credits as 'computer animator' says he didnt have anything to do with it.

*slaps her hand over her mouth*  Uh oh!  Pahsketti-oh!

Edited to add-- The detective powers of a student that has a test at 8 am tomorrow and is procrastinating studying-- fear them.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,21:34   

Quote (ERV @ Mar. 26 2008,19:27)
My question is something even a screenwriter should know:

1.  Who made your computer simulations of a 'cell as an automated city'?

Cause the guy listed on the EXPELLED credits as 'computer animator' says he didnt have anything to do with it.

*slaps her hand over her mouth*  Uh oh!  Pahsketti-oh!

Edited to add-- The detective powers of a student that has a test at 8 am tomorrow and is procrastinating studying-- fear them.

Seriously?  The guy had no part in the actual animation in the film. Wow. Just...what the hell? What'll they claim next I wonder: they exposed the Harvard footage to radiation and it evolved?  I really would dearly love to get a hold of the stuff from the film and do a frame by frame comparison to Harvard's.

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,21:41   

Quote (didymos @ Mar. 26 2008,21:34)
Seriously?  The guy had no part in the actual animation in the film. Wow. Just...what the hell? What'll they claim next I wonder: they exposed the Harvard footage to radiation and it evolved?  I really would dearly love to get a hold of the stuff from the film and do a frame by frame comparison to Harvard's.

No, dude did other shit-- he just said he had nothing to do with that particular bit of animation.  'He said.'

Dude appears to be a genuine computer animator, so I believe him.  Copy someone elses shit, and you will never work again, plus I assume there is something about honor in art and being original.

Seems like someone else might have had a hand in this.

Someone with access to people who are not computer animators as artists, but as a, I dunno, computer animators as a mindless computer task.

I dont know who that someone might be...........

Kevin?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,21:47   

More hilarity from UD:
 
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DLH

03/26/2008

12:58 pm

The Expelled buzz is spreading into more mainstream.
Unfortunately Christianity Today’s fact checkers were out to lunch or have swallowed atheistic Darwinism hook line and sinker - equating intelligent design with creationism, and claiming that the Forida Academic Freedom Act mandates creationism. Let alone parroting Myers being expelled after “legitimately signed up for the event” rather than gatecrashing an RSVP private screening.
REEL NEWS, Expelled Expels Darwinist

It made it into MideastYouth Expelling the Intelligent from the ‘Expelled’, though he can’t distinguish ID from creationism, and his article fails basic logic, claiming that 700 skeptical of Darwinism means that they are creationists, and that 99.9999% etc support evolution.


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Bitter much? Yes, that atheistic bunch over at Christianity Today. Bastard ass fact-checkers. I hate those guys. BTW, does anyone here know what the fuck DLH is supposed to stand for?  I mean, I could take some guesses, but...

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Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,23:33   

OK, I found this nifty bit from a guy who saw one of the Expelled screenings:

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I saw the movie on Tuesday and was given a DVD with over 30 minutes of raw clips. We were told as teachers to show it in class and use it as a debate opportunity for our students to discuss the issue of censorship, and so on. Of course, they want it to go to people who will promote it and get our friends to come out to see the movie. (Yes, it's a vast right wing conspiracy!)



Emphasis mine. Here's the full entry

This dude is one of the faithful as well, so no axe to grind unless it's with atheists and such.  I have to say, I'm not too enthused about them telling teachers to show this in class, and you know which class they want it shown in too.  If it's like a current events or social studies thing, I'm fairly cool with that, but the only time it should be in a science class is to provide an object lesson in pseudo. I'll try to find some corroboration on this.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,23:35   

Oh, and notice how he reinforces the viral marketing notion as well.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,23:40   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 26 2008,15:15)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 26 2008,13:54)
WHERE ARE MY FIVE QUESTIONS?

Sorry Richard  - Here you go: (BTW - your question almost flounced at me just like FTK!)

1.  Kevin, what is your educational background?

2.  Why were you so easily duped by Cornelius Hunter and his book "Sciences Blind Spot?

3.  Please comment on the fact that Cornelius Hunter had trouble distinguishing between a wolf and a thalycine, and tried to use a picture of a thalycine from a coloring book as a teaching tool.

4.  As an ID supporter, please tell us what the actual Theory of ID is. (Telling us what is wrong with TOE does not count.)

5.  Which god is the right god?  Is it Zeus, the Christian God (and which sect for extra credit), Allah or Other?

edited for sp

added in edit - The Corny Hunter Thread.  Coloring Book stuff on Jan 26

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....+hunter

Nother edit :  I forgot about Wes taking Hunter to task for "fudging" the differences between wolves and thalycines in a presentation Hunter made...  link is at Wes' site:

http://austringer.net/wp/?p=493

Rich:  So maybe ask Kevin :  What is it about Liers at the DI?

My only question is, Kevin, since you argued for a link between Darwinism and Hitler, why didn't you tell your audience that Hitler was a creationist*?

Don't bother answering, the reason is obvious.

(* http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....805448)

Edited by stevestory on Mar. 27 2008,00:57

   
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2008,23:48   

[quote=dnmlthr,Mar. 26 2008,12:09][/quote]
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Considering his "Ilse, She-Wolf of the SS" fetish, here's one:

"Sparta preceded Darwin with over 2000 years, yet their contemporaries wrote of them practicing eugenics. Did Darwin have a time machine and if so, do you find it plausible that oiled and muscled macho men (and women) would take advice from a(n over weight chronically ill) victorian gentleman?"


Minor add on edit.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2008,02:45   

Entered in a comment thread on IMDB:

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A possible scenario: the "Expelled" promotional team did send out email invitations to certain people. In order to fill theaters, but not overfill them, they had a website where those accepting invitations could enter their information and receive a confirmation. This website wasn't protected and did not restrict who could sign up for a screening, nor did the text make any distinction between people who might have received an email and those who instead directly accessed the page. Links to this page existed from a page showing future screenings with "RSVP" as a hyperlink. If this scenario comes close to the actual state of affairs, it explains the promoters and producers talking about people without invitations while many, if not most, attendees have the impression that specific invitations were no part of how one went about getting on the list for entry to a screening.

This sort of setup is not even quite the deprecated "security by obscurity", because the registration page link was publicly accessible. Still, the promoters may have considered their system as one implemented for the use of people that they had actively contacted rather than the public at large, though if that is the case, they were singularly inept at expressing that concept on the pages themselves.

I have signed up for a screening at a city in my state. I did not receive a specific "invitation", but merely followed publicly accessible links on their website to do so. I have received email confirmation that says that no ticket will be required. I have corresponded in email with one of the promoters for the film concerning various issues (now including when the screening might be re-scheduled).


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