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|Oh - they can't seem to come up with a consistent account.|
Rather than speculate, how about some facts.
Eyewitness Stuart Blessman reports:
I just happened to be standing directly in line behind Dawkins’ academic colleague. Management of the movie theatre saw a man apparently hustling and bothering several invited attendees, apparently trying to disrupt the viewing or sneak in. Management then approached the man, asked him if he had a ticket, and when he confirmed that he didn’t, they then escorted him off the premises. Nowhere was one of the film’s producers to be found, and the man certainly didn’t identify himself. If a producer had been nearby, it’s possible that he would have been admitted, but the theatre’s management didn’t want to take any chances.
”Richard Dawkins crashes the party at a screening of “Expelled”” By JEFFREY OVERSTREET, ExpelledTheMovie.com March 20, 2008
'Hustling'? WTF? Like, challenging them to play pool? Or trying to get them to go back to his motel?
Kristine, what's your reaction to this? Was PZ drunkenly lurching around bothering the decent churchgoing folk who were waiting in line? :p
The ever-honest DLH apparently forgot to mention the furious backpeddling of Stuart Blessman.
Perhaps someone should out that he forgot to put that in before he hit the "Post" button.
I'm sure it was an honest oversight.
In full, his further comment reads thus:
Wow. Thanks for all the responses…both these and the spams on my blog. And thank you Dr. Myers for posting your email; I’m gonna keep that one.
Obviously you can tell that I was going off of Mathis’ comments toward Dawkins regarding you. If you had a legitimate ticket and was just booted by the film’s producers, you have my sympathies, although they were under no obligation to let you in to see the movie. I apologize if I in any way slandered you, but I am not in any way ashamed. I wrote my account of the events as quickly as possible in order to circumvent any attempt to spin the events by other parties. These are obviously my impressions of the events as I witnessed them.
A question though, if I may. Dr. Myers…where were you standing when the policeman told you that the film’s producers had asked him to escort you out? Why did you have to walk back to your family (and me by default)? Were you not already in line with them? Oh, and did you happen to catch the police officer’s name?
Moving on…Did I have tickets? No. Did I have pirated tickets? No. I was the guest of an invited person. I was RSVPed by someone who was invited. He will write up his own view of events later in the day and post them online. Perhaps something he say will contradict what I say; will that in any way alter my perceptions or what I knew at the time? I doubt it.
Was I aware that this screening was open to the general public? No, and I don’t think it was. Mathis never once alluded to this and implied that it was a very selective, invited audience…”grassroots”…which is ok, since he and the film’s producers can do whatever they want with the film. No one can force them to invite anyone they don’t want to.
Obviously I was unaware of Dr. Myers first conversation. I merely reported on what I myself had observed. I apologize if someone was misled.
The term “Intelligent Design” is self explanatory. Yes, one audience member asked what ID was, since she thought the film did not give a good definition. Mathis nodded at this and reinforced it was a rough cut. Obviously, I am of the opinion that one would be able to figure out what the ID is by the very words themselves.
Define “disruption.” Did he get violent, start shouting, bothering everyone in the line? No. It appeared he was bothering a few people, trying to worm his way in to the movie. Security was already tight: no bags, cell phones, cameras, etc, allowed. The possibility exists that he might have begun to get violent and start shouting once he snuck in to the movie. That was my perceived basis for why managment was taking no chances and escorting him out. To his credit, Dr. Myers went peacefully.
And I regret not recognizing Dawkins in line in front of me. I haven’t read any of his books, although my friend Grant had, but he was busy getting popcorn up til we signed in. But well played, Dr. Myers…that was an entertaining blog post. I’m glad you are also a Mac fan! I’m writing this from a Macbook Pro on campus overlooking the downed 35W bridge.
As for the rest of the comments…I’m gonna simply choose to ignore them. I’m not here to debate ID or Evolution. I lack “credentials” to do so. But that’s the point of “Expelled”…those with the credentials to argue against Evolution are not even allowed a voice. The movie is hardly pro-Creation; it simply states that any side in this debate should be allowed a fair voice. It’s really a battle of faith vs faith; why else would evolutionists so vehemently defend evolution and even resort to attacking an undergraduate writing about his first impressions of a movie and an event?
Edited by Lou FCD on Mar. 25 2008,21:36
Lou FCD is still in school, so we should only count him as a baby biologist. -carlsonjok -deprecated
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