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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,15:27   

I definitely think we should band together and buy it for PZed. Then he can organise a public showing, and expel Richard Dawkins.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,16:21   

I think it'll be more expensive than we can afford. It is aprox 90 mins of TV filler.

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QED



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,18:56   

Dawkins could buy it. Imagine the wailing - an athiest owner, born in Kenya, and no US birf certificate...

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,19:44   

Maybe I should post this on the archives listserve.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2011,20:08   

I'd like to not make a false start with where to set up funding for a buy attempt. I can see three possibilities offhand.

1. NCSE. This would probably be my first choice, if they say that they are interested.

2. TalkOrigins Foundation. This, like NCSE, has tax-exempt status.

3. PZ Myers. I'm not sure exactly how PZ would handle the incoming funds or where funds would go if the auction doesn't go that way, but PZ does have lots of enthusiastic followers who may contribute. Hopefully, PZ would send people to one of the other choices above if he wasn't going to try for it himself.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2011,10:09   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 07 2011,20:08)
I'd like to not make a false start with where to set up funding for a buy attempt. I can see three possibilities offhand.

1. NCSE. This would probably be my first choice, if they say that they are interested.

2. TalkOrigins Foundation. This, like NCSE, has tax-exempt status.

3. PZ Myers. I'm not sure exactly how PZ would handle the incoming funds or where funds would go if the auction doesn't go that way, but PZ does have lots of enthusiastic followers who may contribute. Hopefully, PZ would send people to one of the other choices above if he wasn't going to try for it himself.

Wesley, I sent a message to Glenn via Linkedin with your ideas, and my explanations as to why I think acquiring the ephemera is important.

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2011,14:35   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 07 2011,20:08)
I'd like to not make a false start with where to set up funding for a buy attempt. I can see three possibilities offhand.

1. NCSE. This would probably be my first choice, if they say that they are interested.

2. TalkOrigins Foundation. This, like NCSE, has tax-exempt status.

3. PZ Myers. I'm not sure exactly how PZ would handle the incoming funds or where funds would go if the auction doesn't go that way, but PZ does have lots of enthusiastic followers who may contribute. Hopefully, PZ would send people to one of the other choices above if he wasn't going to try for it himself.

It would be very appropriate for a pro-science organization to acquire the rights to EXPELLED. I particularly like the thought of using it to create an "annotated version" in which all the lies and misrepresentations are called out for what they are, with concise explanations of the truth on-screen plus pointers to detailed explanations for off-screen study.
Or... hmm. Maybe two 'annotated versions'? One AV to correct the crap science, and another to identify all the logical fallacies & rhetorical gambits they used?

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2011,18:57   

We should ask Kevin Eleven to do the revised screenplay.  He's probably looking for work and because of his reputation he could offer some authority to the documentary.

I mean, who other than K11 knows where all the lies are?  Except for all of us, of course.

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2011,19:22   

Hmm. That might be interesting, Doc; the KevinEleven 'annotated version' of EXPELLED -- complete with annotations on Kev's commentary, so as to point our where he lies and/or misrepresents the truth *even when he's supposedly tryna set the record straight*.

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2011,00:13   

rather than in the movie itself I would be interested in
1. correspondence regarding the Harvard/XVIVOs animation "Inner Life of a Cell" that was part of the original EXPELLED version
2. information about how the Dawkins and PZ interviews were planned and arranged
3. correspondence about including "Imagine"
4. how much the DI and leading ID figures especially Dembski were involved

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,20:15   

Heh.
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6:14 pm June 13, 2011
Quentin L F Patch wrote:

     Every nation’s educated majority follow Darwinism? Not true here. Shows who’s lying. Same as needs censorship and lawsuits to keep their faith system exclusively in government schools.

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9:05 pm June 13, 2011
Kristine wrote:

     Aside from Quentin’s pumpkin patch, yes, every nation’s educated citizens accept the overwhelming evidence for evolution. And the selling of “Expelled” only goes to prove how morally bankrupt creationists are – they were always for sale!


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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2011,07:41   

Fixed That For You !:)

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9:05 pm June 13, 2011
Kristine wrote:

    Aside from Quentin’s pumpkin patch, yes, every nation’s educated citizens accept the overwhelming evidence for evolution. And the selling of “Expelled” only goes to prove how morally bankrupt creationists are – they were are always for sale!


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Sealawr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,14:52   

I just signed up to bid on Expelled.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,17:10   

Quote (Sealawr @ June 21 2011,14:52)
I just signed up to bid on Expelled.

Don't forget to save money for Kent Hovind's Dino Adventure Land!!!

Hat Tip To PZ!:)

Hovind's Dino Debacle

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,21:43   

Quote (J-Dog @ June 21 2011,15:10)
 
Quote (Sealawr @ June 21 2011,14:52)
I just signed up to bid on Expelled.

Don't forget to save money for Kent Hovind's Dino Adventure Land!!!

Hat Tip To PZ!:)

Hovind's Dino Debacle

Wait, what?

1.06 acre?

I was imagining something more... i dunno... Isla Nublar-ish.

He had how many people on staff?

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,22:36   

Quote (Sealawr @ June 21 2011,14:52)
I just signed up to bid on Expelled.

Good luck! Save me a bite of that "Crossroads" cake! :)

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

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"Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,08:06   

We've got two out of three of the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation on board with making a bid, but we haven't heard back from the treasurer yet, who will be a critical participant on the final day of bidding.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,09:10   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 23 2011,08:06)
We've got two out of three of the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation on board with making a bid, but we haven't heard back from the treasurer yet, who will be a critical participant on the final day of bidding.

I can commit $200 - if we're looking to increase the pot. Come on lurkers! maybe we could get some sort of automated mechanism?

Rich

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,09:39   

I could easily scrap out 4 euros (that's about 6000 US$, I think)...

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noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,09:57   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ June 23 2011,09:39)
I could easily scrap out 4 euros (that's about 6000 US$, I think)...

I used to make a similar joke about Canadian dollars, until one day I discovered that Canadian dollars had actually passed U.S. dollars in value.

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nmgirl



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,10:47   

count me in for $200.

  
carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,10:57   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 23 2011,09:10)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 23 2011,08:06)
We've got two out of three of the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation on board with making a bid, but we haven't heard back from the treasurer yet, who will be a critical participant on the final day of bidding.

I can commit $200 - if we're looking to increase the pot. Come on lurkers! maybe we could get some sort of automated mechanism?

Rich

I'm good for a C-note.

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Sealawr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,14:25   

Quote (Kristine @ June 21 2011,22:36)
Quote (Sealawr @ June 21 2011,14:52)
I just signed up to bid on Expelled.

Good luck! Save me a bite of that "Crossroads" cake! :)

If I win, I want an Expelled CD autographed by Kristine, PZ and Richard Dawkins.

Oh, and a year's supply of pizza, and a private jet.

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kevinmillerxi



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,15:31   

Two new docs for you guys to check out:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/SpOILed-The-Movie/216288371729865

http://www.facebook.com/sexandmoneyfilm

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,15:32   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 23 2011,15:31)
Two new docs for you guys to check out:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/SpOILed-The-Movie/216288371729865

http://www.facebook.com/sexandmoneyfilm

miller, I have a question.

What is Richard Sternberg doing right now?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,15:41   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 23 2011,15:31)
Two new docs for you guys to check out:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/SpOILed-The-Movie/216288371729865

http://www.facebook.com/sexandmoneyfilm

Let us know when you film your autobiography

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,16:20   

Kevin Miller, this thread is regarding Expelled. It is not a space for you to publicize your latest ventures, or we'll be talking here about how they are likewise raffled off like rump roasts in a neighborhood bar. Let's get this back on topic, everyone.

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MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,16:34   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ June 24 2011,06:31)
Two new docs for you guys to check out:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/SpOILed-The-Movie/216288371729865

http://www.facebook.com/sexandmoneyfilm

I found on the first link I couldn't ask the question that if they could drill everywhere they wanted what percentage of the US total consumption would this additional oil represent?

I guess once again Kevin Miller has no problem whoring for others.

  
KenFair



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,18:06   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 23 2011,08:06)
We've got two out of three of the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation on board with making a bid, but we haven't heard back from the treasurer yet, who will be a critical participant on the final day of bidding.

We're on.

:)

  
KenFair



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,18:29   

The TalkOrigins Foundation, Inc. (a Texas non-profit corporation) is accepting donations towards this project.  The Foundation's donation link is here.

A few notes about these donations:

(1) The Foundation's board of directors has authorized an expenditure from the Foundation's funds to acquire Expelled, should the Foundation be the winning bidder. The Foundation's bid is limited by the funds the Foundation currently has available. The board may decide to increase the Foundation's maximum bid based upon additional funds donated to the Foundation's Paypal account.

(2) The auction has an 10% fee due from the buyer at the auction's close, which would be on top of the Foundation's bid amount (should the Foundation have the winning bid). The Foundation will also need funds to transport and store whatever physical property is associated with the motion picture. Thus, the Foundation's top bid will be somewhat less than the full authorized expenditure.

(3) Although the current bid for Expelled is (at the time of this posting) less than the amount authorized to be expended, and the Foundation hopes to be successful in acquiring the motion picture, the Foundation cannot predict what the highest bid will be when the auction closes on June 28, 2011.  In addition, there is an undisclosed reserve price on the auction, which may be higher than any amount the Foundation is willing or able to bid.

(4) As a practical matter, the Foundation will be unable to return any donations made to the donors, even if the Foundation is unsuccessful in bidding for Expelled, or the Foundation is successful and the amount donated is greater than the bid.

We are therefore simply asking potential donors to make contributions (which are tax-deductible in the United States) to the TalkOrigins Foundation. Although the Foundation would like to use those funds towards the purchase of Expelled, given the constraints facing the Foundation, THE FOUNDATION CANNOT MAKE ANY GUARANTEE OR PROMISE CONCERNING THE EXPENDITURE OF THE DONATED FUNDS. Funds not used to acquire Expelled will be used for other purposes consistent with the Foundation's non-profit purposes. Due to the time constraints, the Foundation can only attempt to bid with the funds it has on hand and those donated to its Paypal account as of Monday, June 27, 2011.

Our thanks to everyone who has contributed to the Foundation in the past, and to those who contribute now to the Foundation.

Kenneth Fair
Secretary/Treasurer, TalkOrigins Foundation, Inc.

  
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