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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2009,19:57   

Quote (RupertG @ Jan. 04 2009,20:23)
At least we know officially now that the thinking behind Expelled was "we don't really care whether it's accurate or fair, we just want to pick a fight". Which is classic propaganda, after all, so it's nice of them to be honest about that.

R

(also, this post made in a desperate attempt to move this thread onto the next page, so every visit here is no longer greeted with "*******". The images are getting disturbing.)


I'll help.

Edited in sympathy for the sensitive.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2009,14:05   

Thank you.

The fact that your quote of my post includes the sentences in question and has now placed them at the top of the new page that your very post created, ready to continue in their duty for another few months, at the very moment I had hoped for release, is a delicious, almost Nietzchian irony that I look forward to discussing in-depth with my therapists in the secure wing of St Tardissimus' Hospital for the Deeply Wrong.

Yours,

Dr Dr Napoleon Bonaparte, PhD, PhD, PhD.

(PS - Which way to Waterloo?)

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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2009,15:16   

Just for you: I edited.

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"It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall

That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2009,15:30   

Quote (khan @ Jan. 05 2009,13:16)
Just for you: I edited.

Of course, what your edit actually accomplishes is to guarantee that from now on Rupert will think of Ben Stein's body every time he sees a string of asterisks.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2009,17:22   

Nein, Stein! Yamma-ramma-ding-dong's latest NY Times belch, fix'd for him:
       
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ABOUT two years ago, a little delegation from a major investment bank creationist cabal arrived at my home in Beverly Hills. These nice young people were from the bank’s “wealth management Disco 'Tute's "social control division.” I told them straight away that I didn’t have anywhere near enough wealth mojo to make their trip film worth their time, but they smilingly insisted that we could help each other [like Stalin and Hitler making kissy with the peace doc?].

They told me that if I invested a certain sum hubris with them, they would make sure that a large chunk of it was managed by a money manager script writer of stupendous acumen. This The Genius [Upstairs], so they said, never lost money. He did better in up markets than in down markets, but even in down markets he did well. They said he used a strategy of buying stocks designing flagella and hedging with options making blood clot [and he forgave all your sins, too!]...

I thanked them for their time and promptly looked up Bernard Madoff Charles Darwin online. Nothing I saw was even a bit convincing that he had made a breakthrough in financial men's fashion theory. Besides, [he didn't explain why the planets don't fall down, and] this large financial firm Christian Reconstructionist front was going to charge me pay me roughly 2 percent [of the box office gross] to put my money [where my mouth is] with Mr. Madoff’s firm Ruloff's scam. I could invest my few shekels with Warren Buffett Teh Designer for no management fee at all...

My point is not that I was so smart. I am not and I was not. Mistakes are a big part of my life. My point is that, as humans, we seem unable to learn from our mistakes very well.

Truest thing that tie-and-tenny-runners ever said.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2009,15:19   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 05 2009,15:30)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 05 2009,13:16)
Just for you: I edited.

Of course, what your edit actually accomplishes is to guarantee that from now on Rupert will think of Ben Stein's body every time he sees a string of asterisks.

That's OK - there's no way that I'll ever associate five stars with anything to do with movies and Ben Stein.

Thank you. My sanity digs its fingernails into the cliff face once more...

R

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2009,16:34   

Another unhappy viewer:
 
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So it sounds to me as though Stein and friends are determined to expand the definition of science until the word becomes completely meaningless. They want to change the definition I gave above, so that "truth"  becomes the essential criteria, i.e., so that theories like that of God forming the Earth in such a way that it appears to have been formed by natural processes becomes accepted as a "scientific" theory. As the decision [Kitzmiller] says:
 
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It is notable that defense experts’ own mission, which mirrors that of the IDM itself, is to change the ground rules of science to allow supernatural causation of the natural world, which the Supreme Court in Edwards and the court in McLean correctly recognized as an inherently religious concept.

Stein then talks a lot about morality, giving himself and his buddies a pat on the back for being such fine moral paragons of uprightness and propriety [Yeah, tell that to everyone who took Ben Stein's adVICE about the stock market in 2007], but Scientific American points out that Stein very selectively cuts and slices and shaves off portions of his Charles Darwin quote to make it appear that Darwin was saying something that he simply wasn't saying at all. And Stein wasn't going around the country speaking to large, enthusiastic audiences. In the film, he is seen speaking to a one-time audience consisting of real supporters, but also of many paid "extras." Very importantly, the scientists interviewed for the film appear to have been interviewed under false pretenses.

That speculative hedge-film by Ruloff, Stein, Smith, Mathis & A**ociates doesn't seem to be paying off. ;)

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kevinmillerxi



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,13:40   

Hey, we can all be selective readers. Check out the hundreds of satisfied customers on Amazon.com. Winge away, but there is more than one school of thought on Expelled.

Speaking of which, if you hated Expelled, you're going to love my latest film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uffWtjtXQb4

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,13:52   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 10 2009,13:40)
Hey, we can all be selective readers. Check out the hundreds of satisfied customers on Amazon.com. Winge away, but there is more than one school of thought on Expelled.

Speaking of which, if you hated Expelled, you're going to love my latest film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uffWtjtXQb4

Well, your new flick looks much more factual than Expelled, and clearly the acting is a step up.  I'm surprised you couldn't get funding to film it at Dachau however.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,13:58   

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Hey, we can all be selective readers. Check out the hundreds of satisfied customers on Amazon.com. Winge away, but there is more than one school of thought on Expelled.


LOL, spoken like a true snake oil salesman.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,14:33   

Coming here trolling for hits on what seems to be a half assed home video like so many others on youtube is sadder than a million dead puppies. Don't you have any real friends you can spam with this stuff?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,16:24   

Ya ya, I'm sure you (and the producers of Expelled) made a ton of money.  Ha ha.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,17:12   

Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 10 2009,16:24)
Ya ya, I'm sure you (and the producers of Expelled) made a ton of money.  Ha ha.

Come on. That's just cruel.

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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,17:30   

Twas writ:

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Come on. That's just cruel.


Oh, ya ya.  :)   ;)

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2009,17:39   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Jan. 10 2009,23:12)
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 10 2009,16:24)
Ya ya, I'm sure you (and the producers of Expelled) made a ton of money.  Ha ha.

Come on. That's just cruel.

But so DELICIOUSLY true.

{sigh} Schadenfreude is such a cruel mistress.

Anyway, why does Kevvo expect us to be surprised? We know:

a) That there are at least several hundred thousand* creationists in the USA, not a single one of them capable of the critical thought required/informed enough to dismantle the laughable dross that is Expelled.

b) Preaching to the choir isn't exactly hard.

c) The cost of DVDs isn't exactly a high proportion of people's income (we should expect that at least hundreds of people would buy it).

d) It isn't difficult to set up a few dozen Amazon accounts and tout the virtues of one's own work.

Given the above factors and a few others besides is it such a surprise that Amazon has had hundreds of positive comments regarding this video nasty?

"Creationists like creationist propaganda movie that's light on facts and heavy on bullshit! News at eleven. Dog bites man etc".

Yawn! Wake me for the second reel of something decent.

Louis

*Doubtless a gross underestimate!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,11:19   

Louis: I never figured you to be prone to such wild flights of fancy. Do you seriously think someone would go to the extent of creating hundreds of fake accounts on Amazon and then review books and movies for months and years beforehand just so that when Expelled came out we could give it a positive review? Give me a break. I really expected more from you. Even a brief glance at the evidence would show you're off your rocker.

As far as I can see, the only real conspiracy on Amazon was PZ Myers and his little pack of Darbots running over to slag the film as soon as the DVD was announced. But they were quickly overwhelmed by those who had actually seen the film--and liked it.

Tsk Tsk. I know it's hard to take, Louis, and that your admittedly agile mind is scrambling to find some way--any way--to explain away the obvious data. Life would be so simple if we could simply write off everyone who disagrees with us as stupid or ignorant. But even though that may be true in a few cases, applying such a theory on a broad scale runs smack into the *overwhelming* contrary evidence. If you care about evidence, that is, not just the little snippets of data that support your dark, binary view of the world.

As for you, dnmlthr, the only thing sad here is a group of miscreants winging away for months and months on a discussion thread about a film they hated. In the words of William Shatner, "Get a life!"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,11:25   

Wow, you sure touched a nerve.

Louis, ftw. =P

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,11:27   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 11 2009,11:19)
If you care about evidence, that is, not just the little snippets of data that support your dark, binary view of the world.

Y'know what, kevin11, for somebody who is allegedly in the movie bidness, you need to learn more about the other meanings of "projection".

Just sayin'

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,11:48   

just provin my point here albatrossity, just sayin...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,11:55   

What a whining little titty baby Kevin is!  I'd be buttsore, too, I suppose, if my bastard lovechild of a propaganda piece got the shitcan reviews that his did, making the Year's Worst lists, and deservedly so.  I'd wish a well earned Razzie on it if only I thought Kev & Co wouldn't then try to put the blurb "Award Winning!" on the DVD case after that.

Given that the Christians are such an overhwelming majority in the this country, it's a bit hard to push the "liberal atheist conspiracy" schtick to rationalize away the pathetic box office revenue this pissant pornography earned.  The only people who "loved" this POS were the already existing zombie godbots.  Frankly, I'm surprised enough of them are literate enough to write their crank reviews on Amazon.  Which then makes one reflect upon Louis' Theory of Infinite Sockpuppets.  Hmmm...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,11:59   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 11 2009,17:19)
Louis: I never figured you to be prone to such wild flights of fancy. Do you seriously think someone would go to the extent of creating hundreds of fake accounts on Amazon and then review books and movies for months and years beforehand just so that when Expelled came out we could give it a positive review? Give me a break. I really expected more from you. Even a brief glance at the evidence would show you're off your rocker.

As far as I can see, the only real conspiracy on Amazon was PZ Myers and his little pack of Darbots running over to slag the film as soon as the DVD was announced. But they were quickly overwhelmed by those who had actually seen the film--and liked it.

Tsk Tsk. I know it's hard to take, Louis, and that your admittedly agile mind is scrambling to find some way--any way--to explain away the obvious data. Life would be so simple if we could simply write off everyone who disagrees with us as stupid or ignorant. But even though that may be true in a few cases, applying such a theory on a broad scale runs smack into the *overwhelming* contrary evidence. If you care about evidence, that is, not just the little snippets of data that support your dark, binary view of the world.

As for you, dnmlthr, the only thing sad here is a group of miscreants winging away for months and months on a discussion thread about a film they hated. In the words of William Shatner, "Get a life!"

SWING and a miss!

Oopsie Kevvo, you can has reasoning and reading for basic comprehension fail.

What I said was that "Given the above factors and a few others besides is it such a surprise that Amazon has had hundreds of positive comments regarding this video nasty?", this is a probabilistic statement, not an absolutist statement. Learn to tell the difference and one day you may be able to manage simple tasks.

PZ and friends' poll crashing proves my point*. It's easy to do this. I make no claim that this was what was done in the case of "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed"** (after all how could I? I have no evidence) my point was, is, and remains that it is easy to do this, NOT that this was done. It is why I take internet polls/reviews of this nature with a great big pinch of salt. Such media are too easily manipulated.

Bear in mind that (as I mentioned) there are also >>100s of creationists in the USA. I'd be shocked and amazed if your vile piece of dishonest propaganda...oops sorry....shitty failure of a movie....oops sorry again...asinine bullshit*** mindlessly vomited forth from the odious orifices of the perpetually deluded failed to get ~100s of positive comments on Amazon. I would be utterly staggered if the delusional chaps and chappesses behind the DI/UD/your production staff etc etc and their ilk (which must number at least a few hundred) did not find your crap-filled choir preaching in some way enjoyable/good and some fraction of them said so.

Added in edit: To use terms you might understand: Many Nazis liked Nazi propaganda and said so.

Hence the comments about "Dog bites man" etc. Your assurance that there are multiple views about that feculent televisual trash you produced is not news. It is utterly unsurprising. Whoring for your latest video by illogical references to the "controversy" surrounding a former video is part of why you, and your movie, are mocked. Said whoring is also a manifestation of one of many reasons you don't understand why you are mocked.

Do try to keep up.

Louis

*Incidentally not something I a) care about or b) approve of in the manner you think. It's low hanging fruit. PZ's reasons are his own, I seem to remember he mentioned something along the lines of demonstrating the pointlessness of these sorts of poor polls however. Like FTK you seem incapable of thinking outside of "team terms". This really, really, REALLY isn't about which "side" you're on. My view of the world is not in any way binary, your misunderstanding of my view of the world is. The problem, in this instance, ain't mine.

**Is it time again to note the amazing, and utterly un-self-aware, irony in this title?

***See previous comments regarding the distinction between lies and bullshit.



Edited by Lou FCD on Jan. 12 2009,06:26

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,11:59   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 11 2009,17:27)
Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 11 2009,11:19)
If you care about evidence, that is, not just the little snippets of data that support your dark, binary view of the world.

Y'know what, kevin11, for somebody who is allegedly in the movie bidness, you need to learn more about the other meanings of "projection".

Just sayin'

Seconded.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,12:04   

Ow!  That's gotta' hurt!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,12:06   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 11 2009,17:48)
just provin my point here albatrossity, just sayin...

You barely have a point, and what little point is there is grossly in error.

Just saying...

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,12:22   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 11 2009,11:48)
just provin my point here albatrossity, just sayin...

Kevin, can you read?
 
Quote (Lowell @ Dec. 04 2008,17:04)
O'Bleary has a post up on UD reporting on her interview with Expelled! producer Walt Ruloff

Why didn't the film do better commercially? You guessed it: the Darwinists.

"The Darwinists" control everything; but "Darwinism" is on the "brink of collapse." The film "did well" because Darwinism is on the brink of collapse; the film didn't fulfill its potential because the Darwinists control everything. Marriage is only between a man and a woman, but we demand free love between science and religion - because religion is science - and science is religion.

I have it on message, don't I? Maybe it's Denyse you have a problem with.

Oh, and I didn't lose the money that Ben Stein apparently did, because I didn't buy U.S. stock when he told his audience to. Ouch. (He thinks investing in Canada is unpatriotic, did you know that?)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,12:36   

Quote (creeky belly @ Jan. 10 2009,13:58)
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Hey, we can all be selective readers. Check out the hundreds of satisfied customers on Amazon.com. Winge away, but there is more than one school of thought on Expelled.


LOL, spoken like a true snake oil salesman.

Um...

247 "five star votes" to 158 "one star" votes? And how many people are shopping on Amazon.com at any one time?

Guys, does it really matter how many of the reviews are duplicates?

Nice example of exaptation in the Sith video BTW. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,12:47   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 11 2009,10:19)
Even a brief glance at the evidence would show you're off your rocker.

Is there an award for Most Ironic Statement of the Millennium?
           
Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 11 2009,10:19)
As far as I can see, the only real conspiracy on Amazon was PZ Myers and his little pack of Darbots running over to slag the film as soon as the DVD was announced.

I assume PZ and his crew are also responsible for the underwhelming consensus at Rotten Tomatoes:



Edited to subtract

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,13:42   

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 11 2009,11:48)
just provin my point here albatrossity, just sayin...

kevin, you "prove your point" every time you post here.

Unfortunately, it's not the point that you think it is.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,14:53   

Oh ya ya, they made soooo much money that there's now word of a sequel in the air!!!  

Of course, there will be a few minor changes:

ACspelled:  The Highway to Tard!



Coming soon to a church near YOU!

:O  :p   :O   :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,14:55   

My sincere apologies to the band.

  
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