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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,10:40   

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Reviews are starting to roll in now.  Current Tomatometer rating: 11% and falling.

To put things into better perspective, the official Tomatometer rating for Howard the Duck (one of the all-time stinkaroos) is 19.

Ishtar, another famous Hollywood turkey, also clocks in at 19 on the Tomatometer.

Yeah, but Super Mario Brothers is a 6%, so Expelled is apparently slightly better than that stinker.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,10:55   

"lead animator, Joseph Condeelis; animation, Light Prods., Out of Our Mind Studios"

Condeelis heads Light Productions.  Their main products are religious films, and their demo reel is very weak in animation. "Out of Our Mind Studios" at least has won an animation award (New Hampshire, 2005).  The release running time is given as 88 min.s, down from the March 28 review copies at 97 min.s.

Edited by Dr.GH on April 17 2008,08:57

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,11:47   

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   * EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed
   * Opens tomorrow, April 18, 2008 | Runtime: 1 hr. 30 min.
   *
     PG
     thematic material, some disturbing images and brief smoking
   * Ben Stein follows his journey around the globe where he discovers that scientists, educators and philosophers are being persecuted in a modern day witch hunt because they dare to go against the theory of evolution. These pillars of education are being fired, ridiculed and ostracized for merely challenging Darwin’s theory; proposing that life on this planet could be a part of some intelligent design and not random chance. This thought-provoking film not only forces us to question what we have been taught but challenges us to ask--What else is being kept from us?
   * Cast: Ben Stein
   * Director: Nathan Frankowski
   * Genres: Philosophy, Science & Technology, Biological Sciences, Culture & Society


At Fandango

The icon for the trailer is a close-up head shot of Ben Stein.  It is indeed disturbing.  Smoking, not so much.

The clip shown on the page under the heading of critic reviews reads thus:

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"...a flimsy attempt to discredit Darwinist theory as the cornerstone of modern biology..."  Variety Justin Chang


Edited by Lou FCD on April 17 2008,12:53

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,11:59   

A student of mine has created a better image than I did: Yoko Ono as Kali standing on Ben Stein's chest:



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,12:13   

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A student of mine has created a better image than I did: Yoko Ono as Kali standing on Ben Stein's chest:[/img]

It's actually not very appropriate in the greater context.  That's Shiva lying down there.  He's lying down in order to stop her murderous rampage, not because she's defeated him.

It does make a good visual at first glance, though.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,12:23   

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A student of mine has created a better image than I did: Yoko Ono as Kali standing on Ben Stein's chest:[/img]

It's actually not very appropriate in the greater context.  That's Shiva lying down there.  He's lying down in order to stop her murderous rampage, not because she's defeated him.

It does make a good visual at first glance, though.

Great, that's all we needed here: a Mahabharata literalist.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,12:26   

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Someone just posted on the KCFS Discussion Forum that all the staff at his school (in the Kansas City area) received the following email from the Intelligent Design Network today.

 
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ATTENTION Teachers, Principals, School Officials & Support Staff,

This Friday, April 18th, is FREEDOM FRIDAY!

You will no longer have to live in fear of the Darwinian Thought Police and their power to ruin your career! They are about to be 'publicly exposed' by the new documentary movie, "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed"!

"EXPELLED," starring Ben Stein, is opening in 1,000 theaters nationwide. Smart students and their parents can't wait to see it! They have all heard the Darwinists' side in the debate over origins. Now they will determine if the Darwinists have acted properly by censoring the scientific data and evidence from students, teachers and parents that opposes Darwinian evolution and points to the reality of God!

Have you ever wondered about the scientific validity of the major proofs of evolution?

Have you ever wondered what the controversy over the teaching of origins science is really about?

Have you wondered why Darwinists will not allow origins science to be taught objectively?

Have you wondered if scientists have found evidence for God?

Have you ever fully understood why you have this fear of mentioning God in the classroom?

If your answer to any of these questions is 'yes', then this earth-shattering documentary will open your eyes to the cover-up of the century!

Students, teachers, and parents will now see and hear the other side of the story as they view "EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed". They will begin to draw new conclusions for themselves about the "thought police" as well as the most important question they will ever try to answer: Where did I come from?

Make plans now to SEE THIS MOVIE. You can be sure that your students will!

Check it out at: www.expelledthemovie.com

YOU ARE ALSO INVITED TO ATTEND!!~ a Conference in Overland Park, KS, on Saturday, April 19 * * "Darwin, Design, & Democracy VII" * *

At the conference you will meet a professor who is in the movie and was "expelled" for trying to present students with scientific data and evidence that opposed Darwinism. For more details please open the attached flyer, or go to: www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org

Thanks for taking time from your busy schedule to become more informed as to why teaching origins science OBJECTIVELY is critical for good [end chopped off.]


Note the line "opposes Darwinian evolution and points to the reality of God!"

It seems like they have abandoned entirely any effort to pretend that they can get by separation of church and state issues.

What a bunch of appalling propaganda.  I do, however, think that the more over-the-top they are (Freedom Friday, Darwinian Thought Police, cover-up of the century) the more obvious it will be to even those somewhat sympathetic that they have overplayed their hand (such as it is.)

Shows two things:

1. They know they can't ever put god into public school and

2. They are attempting to salvage what they can from their organization by attempting one last fleecing of the alopecia suffering rubes. (p.t. barnum style)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,12:49   

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Someone just posted on the KCFS Discussion Forum that all the staff at his school (in the Kansas City area) received the following email from the Intelligent Design Network today.

   
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ATTENTION Teachers, Principals, School Officials & Support Staff,

----massive amount of bleep deleted----

Ironically, an email a lot more subdued than this one resulted in the firing of Chris Comer in Texas.

Pathetic.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,12:50   

Quote (BWE @ April 17 2008,13:26)
Shows two things:

1. They know they can't ever put god into public school and

2. They are attempting to salvage what they can from their organization by attempting one last fleecing of the alopecia suffering rubes. (p.t. barnum style)

Except that as long as there are rubes, there will be no "last" fleecing, and these particular rubes never seem to get any less "rubesque".  (Cue the witch.)

There will always be more money to squeeze from some groups, so there will always be these particular pickpockets.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,13:48   

Interweb folks, what would be the effect of us all putting expelled exposed links in our sigs?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,14:18   

dunno. Let's see.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,14:32   

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Interweb folks, what would be the effect of us all putting expelled exposed links in our sigs?

Google is pretty tight-lipped about how their ranking algorithms work, but the general belief is that multiple links from one location don't have much effect. Better to have one link each from many locations, which is why many science bloggers are linking the word "Expelled" to the NCSE site.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,14:37   

Quote (ReligionProf @ April 17 2008,11:59)
A student of mine has created a better image than I did: Yoko Ono as Kali standing on Ben Stein's chest:


But why does she have a bunch of Neil deGrasse Tyson heads around her waist?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,14:39   

You're right about the literal meaning of the original image. But it does suggest a good course of action for the makers of Expelled in dealing with Oko's wrath!  :-)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,15:01   

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What he should be saying:
   
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Ow, Ow, son of a bitch, someone get this fucking Giant Redwood out of my eye!!! My Stein, my Stein, why hast thou forsaken me? Giveth me some Clear Eyes!!!


I'm sure Davetard is using an even bigger one.  No wonder he can't see straight.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,15:24   

I don't know if you guys have mentioned this but I actually heard a commercial on the radio for the movie.  I was shocked because the style of commercial implied that the movie was a comedy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,15:25   

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Reviews are starting to roll in now.  Current Tomatometer rating: 11% and falling.

Down to 9%.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,15:27   

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And Dembski was prattling on about the legal savvy of these cats.

Dembski's contribution to Intelligent Design theory reminds me of my brother's conversations with girls. He used to "prove" that they were so unlikely it was a miracle they existed. Or maybe that they might *poof* out of existence at any moment. (I think the next logical step was that they might as well enjoy themselves while they could.)

Wesley Elsberry noted the strategy: ignore the reality or evidence that's in front of you and concentrate on a theoretical construct. And I've named it the Dembski Dodge for its most familiar practitioner.



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,20:55   

More on the copyright licensing scandal.  It seems that scientists weren't the only ones lied to...

 
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I just spoke to the band's manager, and adding to the confusion was the fact that they did authorize a project months ago with this request:

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'The film is a satirical documentary with an estimated running time of 1 hour and 50 minutes, exploring academic freedom in public schools and government institutions with actor, comedian, economist, Ben Stein as the spokesperson.']

What they authorized was a documentary about 'academic freedom in schools', not the film that the producers produced.

They contacted the producers of the film to ask that the song be removed but it is too late. Unfortunately it was misrepresented to them when the request came through to use it. Add this band to a long line of people who were misled by the producers of this film."


She later added:

"The band asked the producers to remove their song from the film when they became aware of the true nature of it. They were told it is too late. That's all there is."

http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2008....ng.html

I doubt they have any comeback any more than PZ, Dawkins, Scott et al do.  

But the idea that Premise can use half a minute of a Beatles song under 1st amendment or 'fair use' is bizarre.  it all comes down to whether Ono will go after them ... I rather think she will.  

Then Stein, Mathis and crew will be singing another Lennon song:

Christ you know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be.
The way things are going
They're going to crucify me.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,21:30   

Long ago I ceased to be surprised by their lies. The only thing that would shock me now would be an instance of them telling the truth, but that doesn't seem to be forthcoming.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,21:41   

Woowee!

"Red Carpet" Premier Gala Thingy:


The church was booked so we went with 'plan B'.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,21:47   

Truth Tickets.

Grand Idea.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,21:58   

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Woowee!

"Red Carpet" Premier Gala Thingy:


The church was booked so we went with 'plan B'.

I know it's nothing new or original, but I just can't help but remark how blithely that sad little bunch of people will walk right under the board reading "No intelligence allowed," without even flinching.

So they weren't born so stupid.  They are now dumb enough via acculturation to suppose that a poignant reminder of what a collection of swill their movie and reputations are won't be made by someone taking their picture as they saunter beneath the sign disallowing intelligence in the premises.  If not there, then likely elsewhere--I have to hope that someone will get such a picture there.

I thought this was interesting, not for itself, but because the paper of the great unwashed petty bourgeoisie, and classes under them, considers Expelled to be a political rant:

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There's plenty of rhetoric and posturing, but not much truly intelligent debate, in this controversial documentary about evolution. Co-writer and host Ben Stein is startlingly one-sided in his unnatural selection of experts.

The proponents of intelligent design are well-spoken and rational, and almost uniformly American. Those who believe in evolution often have foreign accents, are stuffed shirts or seem ready to foam at the mouth. This is propaganda, a political rant disguised as a serious commentary on stifled freedom of inquiry.

A documentarian is not required to be objective, but Stein's point of view is blatant advertising. While he cites the holes in Darwin's theory, he never identifies specific flaws. He does directly link the theory to Nazism and eugenics.

While he gets points for addressing the debate, the way in which Stein goes about it undermines his efforts to be even-handed and intellectually rigorous.(Rated PG for thematic material, some disturbing images and brief smoking. Running time: 1 hour, 30 minutes. Opens today nationwide.) -- Claudia Puig

http://www.usatoday.com/life....g_N.htm



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,22:52   

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Woowee!

"Red Carpet" Premier Gala Thingy:

.........



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Heh heh...  I just had a look at the Expelled "gala premiere" pix over at evolutionnews.org.

Hell, we had a bigger crowd at my Aunt Barbara's for Passover last year!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2008,23:40   

Just saw an expelled ad on Comedy Central. Good luck with that demographic, kids!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2008,01:30   

My next door neighbor is a film editor and director.  I just told him about a few of the "expelled" screw ups.

He can't imagine how they could open at all.

This is going to be very interesting.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2008,01:44   

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Woowee!

"Red Carpet" Premier Gala Thingy:


The church was booked so we went with 'plan B'.

Seriously? That's it? I have more supporters when I do a triathlon, and I'm nobody. (Amandalin and I are doing the next one around June 30)

Edited by stevestory on April 18 2008,02:59

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2008,06:28   

A positive review of Crossroads Expelled!

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Although I have friends that vigorously debate with me on this, I just can’t get away from how plainly the first chapter of Genesis describes how everything began…and I believe it. Because I’m a scientist? No. I wasn’t even that good at science. I believe it because the Bible says it.


Bolding mine.

All science so far.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2008,06:44   

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Interweb folks, what would be the effect of us all putting expelled exposed links in our sigs?

I'm not an interwebber but Apollos over at UD has an interesting factoid:  
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Blog comments (and typically forum comments as well) instruct Google and other responsible crawlers to ignore comment hyperlinks. (rel=”nofollow”)

It makes a good spam deterrent, and prevents Google bombing from spurious blog and forum commenting.

You need a cluster of “legitimate” sites, committed to the same purpose, for a Google bomb to work properly, AFAIK.

Plausible, and therefore a very rare gem indeed from the tardpits. Of course, the explanation could simply be that apollos is a sock puppet. Oh wait, so is everybody else on UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2008,07:01   

Reviews are coming in:

Minneapolis Star-Tribune: "Typical of all propaganda, it also distorts language."

The Old Gray Lady: "One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time"

Salt Lake Tribune: "a slick but intellectually dishonest documentary "

E! Online: "A flunkout of a documentary, this features Ben Stein....Stein's credibility is blown on this poorly constructed diatribe, and you'd be smart to save your bucks."

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