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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,13:16   

It won't be quite all over, Kristine.  All over bar the court case, I say.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,13:20   

Quote (Maya @ April 15 2008,13:05)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ April 15 2008,11:58)
ERV, I LOVE it when you talk dirty :-)

ERV should, of course, express herself as she wishes, but there is still latent bias against women in most industries, so she does us a disservice.  We have to live up to the same standards as men.  How often do we hear that kind of language from our generally larger, hairier colleagues?

Oh.  Wait.  Never fucking mind.

Tarden Chatterbox is not as hairy as you. Or manly.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,13:26   

expelled:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxSLw1LMvgk

Harvard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkrQHM8AG1o

I don't know if these have been posted side by side. Also, I'm not sure if it's really the one from expelled.

But they are the same damn thing. The stills don't do it justice.

I got it from this Daily Kos page.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,13:30   

The first one isn't the expelled video, its the  XVIVO one being used without permission by Dembski.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,13:44   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 15 2008,13:30)
The first one isn't the expelled video, its the  XVIVO one being used without permission by Dembski.

:)

so they in fact are the same damn thing.

My bad.

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cogzoid



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,13:58   

Has anyone posted a link to the version in Expelled?  Wasn't it in a youtube trailer?  I gave up searching, because I can only take 3 minutes of Ben Stein's voice at a time.

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,15:02   

I suspect most of you live in a community where some fool has written to the local paper, telling everyone to go see Expelled. That is the case for my local paper, and their website also has a place for comments, as well as a forum where readers can introduce questions for discussion. If that is the case where you live, you need to sign in there and post a message about the movie, linking the ExpelledExposed website.

And if you link it to the actual word "expelled", like this

<a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"><i>Expelled</i></a>

it will help the ExpelledExposed website creep up the rankings so that it will be on the first page of google hits for folks who are searching "expelled".

So get busy and do your part in the culture war!

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,15:36   

Thunderf00t rips Ben Stein a new one in this YouTube video:


Why do People Laugh at Creationists Part 22

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,16:01   

Better: <a href="http:/expelledexposed.org">Expelled</a> <a href="http:/expelledexposed.org">Exposed</a>

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,16:23   

Quote (ERV @ April 15 2008,10:42)
 
Quote (charlie d @ April 15 2008,10:42)
   
Quote (Assassinator @ April 15 2008,10:36)
Did biologists in general even worked on Expelled?

Not sure what you mean.  Sternberg and Crocker are biologists of course, although I don't know if they had any role in the movie other than being interviewed while looking soulful and aggrieved.  But IIRC Kevin Miller claimed at one point that they had a "team of cell biologists" hard at work on the animations, so there must be at least 2.

He also made that statement before Billy D screamed 'LEEEEEROOOOOY JENKINS!' and admitted they just stole the fucking thing.

Any references to 'cell biologist(s)' were a lie.  OOOH LOOK!  A LYING FUNDIE CHRISTIAN!  Ooooh put that man in a museum-- hes rare, that Kevin.

Piece of shit.

Kent [Hovind], Ken [Ham], Kevin [Miller]…

Kennektion? :p

Kenspiracy? :)

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Shirley Knott



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,16:26   

and to think that 'ken' used to be a verb meaning 'know'.

sigh.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,17:03   

Press Release RE the animation:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelle....imation


and they've 404ed it. Did anyone grab it?

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,17:51   

Peter got it.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,17:55   

Quote (ERV @ April 15 2008,17:51)
Peter got it.

Nice!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,17:55   

Quote (ERV @ April 15 2008,18:51)
Peter got it.

Make sure Reciprocating Bill gets it for the archive.

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Reginald Beasley



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,18:34   

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 15 2008,17:55)
Quote (ERV @ April 15 2008,18:51)
Peter got it.

Make sure Reciprocating Bill gets it for the archive.

They've just put it back up.

  
ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,18:36   

I finally got angry.

  
cogzoid



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,18:37   

Just in case, here's what it read the first time around:
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EXPELLED Producers respond to Dawkins, Bolinsky, XVIVO, etc. regarding copyright of its animation
William Dembski

The following statement is from the Executive Producers of EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed.

   Since we began working on this very interesting project, the producers have been the subject of any number of groundless accusations, most of which we found amusing. The vast majority of these accusations we chose to ignore given that agitation is typical with any provocative documentary. We also recognized that as the film took form, it would specifically disturb a vocal minority of academic elites, and tread on what some people involved with science and academia consider sacred ground. We therefore expected a high level of criticism against the film from this particular group, who view themselves as self appointed gatekeepers. We accepted in good humor many of the crazy insinuations that they made as part of the cost of pursuing our project.

   However, the latest claim concerning the copyright status of our proprietary animation is so ridiculous, bogus and misinformed that we must respond. Premise Media invested significant time and money into the research and original creation of the animation used in our film to illustrate cellular activity. Our own team of experts created the highest quality of animation that is available. In fact, the animation we use in the theatrical release of our movie is only a small portion of the animation we have created and plan to use in future projects.

   Concerning the intriguing smear campaign being carried on by long term activists on one side of the evolution controversy, we are completely confident of the validity of our copyright on our originally created animation. We can assure any opponents of free speech that the rights granted in the United States Constitution are extraordinarily strong, and most especially strong related to protecting film productions.

   We look forward to ordinary Americans from a broad range of backgrounds seeing our film.

   The Executive Producers of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

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   Following the discovery of the kinesin in the late 1980s there were investigations into the locomotion method used for propulsion giving two models with one being an “inch worm” model and the other being the “hand over hand” model. We illustrate the hand over hand mechanism in the transport of a vesicle.

   A variety of papers, micrographs, illustrations and animations with depictions of the cellular transport system of kinesin were used and are freely available on the internet. We invite you to learn more about this incredible little transport engine through the following links:

   http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2003/december10/kinesinproof-1210.html
   http://www.stanford.edu/group/blocklab/kinesin.html
   http://www7.nationalacademies.org/bpa/reports_bmm.html
   http://www.umich.edu/news/MT/04/Fall04/story.html?molecular
   http://www.esi-topics.com/nhp/2006/july-06-NobutakaHirokawa.html
   http://bioweb.bio.uci.edu/sgross/NaturesNanotech.htm
   http://www.goldmanlab.northwestern.edu/images/iftransportcartoon.gif
   http://www.goldmanlab.northwestern.edu/intro.htm


This entry was posted Tuesday, April 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pm and is filed under Expelled. You can leave a response[HA!], or trackback from your own site.

  
ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,18:42   

That kinesin shit is bullshit to first year grad students all over the country.

We fought over that shit for a couple of weeks last fall.  "Hand over hand" blah blah blah is the tip of a huge iceberg.  That excuse is pure fucking shit and their little letter has done nothing but enrage XVIVO and Harvard.

I will have a post on kinesin just like I had one on actin some time soon.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,18:59   

ERV you are way basalt.

What about Dave Tard.  Jesus he is myopically retarded.

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Do we need to know whether or not the mountains of Rushmore were designed or not in order to reach a design inference for the faces carved into them? No. Only the difference in specified complexity between the old and new patterns need be examined.


In a nutshell, this proves the vacuity of specified complexity (again, o noews) and also simultaneously (take that schroders piano) that DaveTard is mandlebrottedly stupid.  

please philosophers of science take note that this is the state of the art in cutting edge design research.  

in biology some have attempted to deal with the very real problem that there are no theory-independent observations.  others, like this poor poor dumb poor bastard, have spewed out observation-independent theories.  what a fuckface.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,19:52   

Here's the official Expelled Paternity Test. Who's your daddy?



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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,19:56   

Pretty pictures Midwife,

I'd like Option J with a side of relish?

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,20:03   

Quote (BWE @ April 15 2008,19:56)
Pretty pictures Midwife,

I'd like Option J with a side of relish?

Damn, and it was supposed to be a hard test.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,20:15   

It probably was. I always choose the last option. :)

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Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered
When wished on the morning star
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Look what it's done so far

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,20:23   

Two words of the week!

Manufactroversy.

Mandelbrottedly stupid.

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.  I'll use them often.

How about a Mandelbrottedly stupid manufactroversy?  Describes Expelled to a t.

  
Aesahaettr



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,21:33   

I was leaning towards D, 'cause they're both brown. ;)

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,22:02   

I wonder how the Expelled producers presented the movie concept to the music copyright owners

Yoko Ono Sells Out John Lennon To Creationist Manufactroversy.

Or maybe they didn't?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,22:42   

Quote (Aesahaettr @ April 15 2008,21:33)
I was leaning towards D, 'cause they're both brown. ;)

In FtK world, all the answers are right.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,22:43   

I wonder why UD doesn't mention the work of
Jed Macosko who apparentenly is affiliated with the DI.
 
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Dembski is known to all, Jed Macosko perhaps not so. Macosko holds the PhD in chemistry from UC Berkeley, and in his portion of the introduction he recounts living in Johnson's basement for a period while in grad school. He is an ISCID fellow, and was a DI/CSC fellow between 2001 and 2003. He is currently an assistant professor (of biophysics) at Wake Forest University. Unlike most ID supporters, he seems to actually publish peer-reviewed scientific research, though none of it appears to offer a theory of intelligent design or any explicit discussion of design.


He actually has a kinesin picture on his site:


Another depiction of kinesin prepared by his students for educational purposes is this one


but I am pretty sure that this was not the basis of Premise Media's animation.

Maybe Macosko just doesn't want to loose his reputation and thus stays out of the discussion.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2008,23:18   

Here're some great examples of how differently some of the same processes and structures can be animated depending on what the animator chooses to focus on:

Translation and Intracellular Functions

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