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|Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 09 2007,20:35)|
|Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Aug. 09 2007,20:25)|
|Ok, I got into a debate with a guy about religion (I know, I know) but he keeps insisting that thermodynamics (I know the first 2 laws, I get lost later on) prove the supernatural.|
Bear with me.
He basically states either one of three things has happened.
1.Something supernatural created everything, and the universe is not infinate.
2. Something supernatural created everything and the universe is infinate.
3. The universe was held still, away from those pesky thermodynamic laws by something supernatural, while in the pre big bang state.
Essentially, he argues, the universe is a closed system, therefore everything (very slowly, I don't think he's a 6000 year old universe nut) is decending towards entropy, and all viable energy is being used up. Therefore either something created the universe a fixed time ago, and it's been going downhill ever since, or something held back the actions of thermo prior to it coming into effect.
Now, I argued what I hope is a point, that the universe is made up of lots of open systems, and therefore the energy released by one going entropy way feeds another. He wasn't having any of it, because as he keeps insisting in the single most patronising way ever, "the universe is a closed system".
He's right -- the universe as a whole is a closed system. And it is declining, in accordance with thermodynamic laws, into heat death.
The rest is just gibberish.
The problem is Lenny, I was pretty sure it WAS gibberish, and I didn't disagree on the heat death thing, but I don't get why it's jibberish.
I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.
You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK
Roddenberry is my God.