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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2007,15:45   

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Wodehouse is sublime. The Master was the best comic writer of all time. I defy anyone to read "Joy in the Morning" and not be unmoved.

Louis

I think you meant to say 'not be moved'?

Oh dear, did I make a balls up?

Genitals first, no doubt. †;)

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2007,16:13   

Here's a brilliant new piece of fiction I'm working through slowly: Sacred Games by Vikram Chandra.  An enormous, sprawling crime novel set in Mumbai.  Filled with delicious writing.

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IanBrown_101



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,05:29   

Currently "On War" By Carl Von Clausewitz. Not as dry as it may seem.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,12:55   

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Currently "On War" By Carl Von Clausewitz. Not as dry as it may seem.

Ian - Could you do the world a favor and send that to Bush and Cheney when you're done reading it?

They will me utterly amazed that you can actually plan to win a war!  Say what you will about the Krauts, but I think they knew how to win, except that Hitler kept second-guessing his professionals and going with his gut reactions...   Sound familiar?  Yep, it's The ID of WWII.

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IanBrown_101



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,13:56   

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Currently "On War" By Carl Von Clausewitz. Not as dry as it may seem.

Ian - Could you do the world a favor and send that to Bush and Cheney when you're done reading it?

They will me utterly amazed that you can actually plan to win a war!  Say what you will about the Krauts, but I think they knew how to win, except that Hitler kept second-guessing his professionals and going with his gut reactions...   Sound familiar?  Yep, it's The ID of WWII.

It's a tad outdated, but hey, even Sun Tzu would do better. (I have that to read as well).

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,16:17   

Curious, Has anyone else sprung for "The Omnivore's Dilemma"?

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,16:46   

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It's a tad outdated, but hey, even Sun Tzu would do better. (I have that to read as well).

Add Miyamoto Musashi's "Book of Five Rings", too.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,16:50   

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Curious, Has anyone else sprung for "The Omnivore's Dilemma"?

Yeah, I read it and liked it a lot. Botany of Desire was better, IMHO, but both of them were excellent reading!

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IanBrown_101



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,20:16   

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It's a tad outdated, but hey, even Sun Tzu would do better. (I have that to read as well).

Add Miyamoto Musashi's "Book of Five Rings", too.

I already spent well over £100 of my parents money on textbooks, otherwise I would happily add that.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
Rev. BigDumbChimp



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,21:00   

I'll admit I'm failing horribly compared to all the science books listed here. But I just ordered this. Should have it Tuesday


  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,21:06   

I read the NYT Dining In/Out section every Wednesday. (Richardthughes: OF COURSE YOU DO, HOMO (Richard, I miss the tardologues. You were riding that joke into the ground, but it was still sometimes funny)) And I think last year sometime was an article about a very avant garde restaurant whose dishes were based upon offal. Those bones pics reminds me that one such dish was bone marrow. The leg bones were sawn up, the pieces were grilled or something, and at the table you were supposed to scoop out the marrow and spread it on I believe bread.

   
Rev. BigDumbChimp



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,21:11   

Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2007,21:06)
I read the NYT Dining In/Out section every Wednesday. (Richardthughes: OF COURSE YOU DO, HOMO (Richard, I miss the tardologues. You were riding that joke into the ground, but it was still sometimes funny)) And I think last year sometime was an article about a very avant garde restaurant whose dishes were based upon offal. Those bones pics reminds me that one such dish was bone marrow. The leg bones were sawn up, the pieces were grilled or something, and at the table you were supposed to scoop out the marrow and spread it on I believe bread.

That is actually a pretty classic dish. I've had marrow a number of times and it is quite good.

It's usually one of those "Chefs only order it" dishes, but trust me it's really good.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,21:20   

It makes sense. Yellow marrow on bread would contain the yummy trinity of fats, protein, and carbs.

   
Rev. BigDumbChimp



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,21:29   

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It makes sense. Yellow marrow on bread would contain the yummy trinity of fats, protein, and carbs.

bingo

It's rich as hell. Not somethign you want to be eating every day.... Well maybe wanting... but not somethign you SHOULD be eating every day :0

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,21:37   

Given my horrible diet, "not something you should eat everyday" mentally translates in my head to "something you should eat everyday, and additionally wash down with whiskey, because nobody really wants to be 70"

   
Rev. BigDumbChimp



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,21:43   

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Given my horrible diet, "not something you should eat everyday" mentally translates in my head to "something you should eat everyday, and additionally wash down with whiskey, because nobody really wants to be 70"

You and I need to have a few drinks sometime. I think you just detailed my life philosophy.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,21:51   

I'm fairly immobile. I seldom leave Chapel Hill, NC. If you make it here, though, I'm up for it. I'm planning a Decemberfest on the anniversary of Judge Jones's decision, but I'm also open to plenty of preliminary boozing. We should call Reed and Bora, they live around here. And Lou FCD needs to get his ass up here. (and if anyone else lives in the area, you're welcome too)

   
Rev. BigDumbChimp



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,22:01   

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I'm fairly immobile. I seldom leave Chapel Hill, NC. If you make it here, though, I'm up for it. I'm planning a Decemberfest on the anniversary of Judge Jones's decision, but I'm also open to plenty of preliminary boozing. We should call Reed and Bora, they live around here. And Lou FCD needs to get his ass up here. (and if anyone else lives in the area, you're welcome too)

Ahh. Well I'm in Charleston and my brother lives in Raleigh. I've briefly met Reed and Bora at a tribute for my grandfather at NC State where Ken Miller spoke. I make it up there occasionally. Next time I'm up there I'll definitely let you know.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,22:49   

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Given my horrible diet, "not something you should eat everyday" mentally translates in my head to "something you should eat everyday, and additionally wash down with whiskey, because nobody really wants to be 70"

Ah, but will you still feel that way when you're 50?

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Rev. BigDumbChimp



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,22:57   

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Given my horrible diet, "not something you should eat everyday" mentally translates in my head to "something you should eat everyday, and additionally wash down with whiskey, because nobody really wants to be 70"

Ah, but will you still feel that way when you're 50?

Who says we'll get to 50?

No I want t live a long life but I also get a high level of life enjoyment out of experiencing the massive variety of food and beverage styles in the world. If I sacrifice a few years.. well. Shit. That's how it goes. I can't imagine life without trying what you have access to and want to try, be it food or other things.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2007,23:54   

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No I want t live a long life but I also get a high level of life enjoyment out of experiencing the massive variety of food and beverage styles in the world. If I sacrifice a few years.. well. Shit. That's how it goes. I can't imagine life without trying what you have access to and want to try, be it food or other things.

Amen, brother.  Who wants to be 100 years old, drooling in your oatmeal and pooping in your Depends?

Live hard, die young.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,04:22   

However you COULD be 100 like Ernst Mayr and still going into a job you love, doing the research you love, being productive and not wearing Depends and dribbling from any orifice.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you the work of Aubrey de Grey.

The thing that annoys me is the calorie restriction stuff, mainly because I like the "better to live a moment as a lion than a lifetime as a mouse" philosophy a little too much! ;-) But you've got to admit he has a point.

Louis

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,09:57   

Seems to me that capacity for pleasure and hedonism is intimately connected to one's health - very ill and chronically debilitated persons often can't derive much pleasure from the basics (eating, sex, conversation, risk taking, substances, art, etc.) regardless of extremes; fit and healthy persons can derive the full amplitude of pleasure associated with those activities even with moderate and subtle inputs. So the most hedonistic course is to observe measures (which typically entail moderation) that lengthen one's health span, rather than full-bore indulgence. In short, care for the instrument.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,10:26   

Bill,

Very much in that vein, I remember (vaguely) a line from Pratchett's "Moving Pictures" in which one of the chief protagonists is described as a very lazy person, so lazy in fact that he couldn't be bothered to haul a hugly fat carcass about so he took regular exercise and ate sensibly, and this had a toned physique and muscles that could crack walnuts etc. Made sense to me....at least in theory! ;-)

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,11:07   

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Given my horrible diet, "not something you should eat everyday" mentally translates in my head to "something you should eat everyday, and additionally wash down with whiskey, because nobody really wants to be 70"

Ah, but will you still feel that way when you're 50?

Who says we'll get to 50?

Trust me, LOTS of people make it to 50 without ever dreaming they would.

I don't feel like keeling over from smoking or heart disease at 49 (having a young daughter is a big part of that), but at the same time I'm not willing to spend my whole life jogging 2 hours every morning and eating nothing but bland low-fat high-fiber vegetarian food. (What's the point of a long life, if it's filled with that?) Fortunately I've never smoked, but I do love me some fried food. So you compromise. I try and keep the fats lowish and take meds for cholesterol and blood pressure (hereditary high BP -- thanks, dad!), but I don't jog or work out, either. So what'll that buy me? 77? Cool.

I've known a couple people in academia who made it into their 90's still sharp and still productive (I certainly have enough projects to last me another 50 years) but it is incredibly rare. (For every one of them I can name, I can name ten people who keeled over at 81 after 12 years of idleness and shitty health.) My personal opinion is that making it to 100 with all your marbles is so totally a matter of genetic luck that it's ridiculous to deliberately try to make it happen.

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Rev. BigDumbChimp



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,11:19   

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Given my horrible diet, "not something you should eat everyday" mentally translates in my head to "something you should eat everyday, and additionally wash down with whiskey, because nobody really wants to be 70"

Ah, but will you still feel that way when you're 50?

Who says we'll get to 50?

Trust me, LOTS of people make it to 50 without ever dreaming they would.

I don't feel like keeling over from smoking or heart disease at 49 (having a young daughter is a big part of that), but at the same time I'm not willing to spend my whole life jogging 2 hours every morning and eating nothing but bland low-fat high-fiber vegetarian food. (What's the point of a long life, if it's filled with that?) Fortunately I've never smoked, but I do love me some fried food. So you compromise. I try and keep the fats lowish and take meds for cholesterol and blood pressure (hereditary high BP -- thanks, dad!), but I don't jog or work out, either. So what'll that buy me? 77? Cool.

I've known a couple people in academia who made it into their 90's still sharp and still productive (I certainly have enough projects to last me another 50 years) but it is incredibly rare. (For every one of them I can name, I can name ten people who keeled over at 81 after 12 years of idleness and shitty health.) My personal opinion that making it to 100 with all your marbles is so totally a matter of genetic luck that it's ridiculous to deliberately try to make it happen.

Yeah I know I was half kidding. My grandfather made it to almost 90 with all his faculties working at the same level they always did (although a hair slower). Living long and being healthy is a goal, however, liek yuo said I'd like to enjoy the ride.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,12:24   

My Grandfather made it to 90 but decided one day that the leak in the roof would be best dealt with on a 100' day in August and had a heart attack up on his roof.

Bizarre.

My great grandmother had to turn over the running of her orchards to her 84 year old son when she was 101. Seems she got too shaken up driving the Honda 3 wheeler around.

She died four years later. She told my grandmother the year before she died that she knew she was going to die soon because she was bored too much.

P.S. "The Prince" is my favorite book on War.

It is also my favorite essay. I wish I could read it in the original.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,13:23   

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I've known a couple people in academia who made it into their 90's still sharp and still productive (I certainly have enough projects to last me another 50 years) but it is incredibly rare.

The general rule vis aging is "use it or loose it." Very likely remaining productive into advanced years contributed to their longevity. †Becoming cognitively and physically inactive at 69 invites the reaper.



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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,13:34   

There was a star trek episode I recall about a society where at 60 they ritualistically killed themselves because they hated decrepitude.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2007,14:02   

Last night I read "Evolution Exposed," a stinking pile of crap smeared on paper by Paul G. Humber.  It was disgusting.

I had to read it as part of the longish response to Weikart that I am working on sporadically.  Humber likes to email people and then use their replies as "gotchas."  He goes on for some while about Lenny without ever mentioning him by name.

I realized that he had sent me several emails years ago.  I told him that I didn't respond to individual emails about E/c, (I don't), and that he should post these to the TO newsgroup where I would reply.

I have also just finished reading

Morris, Henry M.
1974 "The Troubled Waters of Evolution" San Diego: Creation-Life Publishers.

All for the same critical review of Weikart.  These will only be a tiny observation that the creationist lies about Darwin+Hitler are not original, that they have been essentially unmodified for over 30 years, that Weikart is well known to creationists as a fellow believer (notable in Humber of course), and that Weikart has nothing new to offer.

PS:  If I live another 8 months I'll set an all family male longevity record.  I cannot understand why I waste so much time reading creationist crap.  Oh Well.

Edited by Dr.GH on July 15 2007,14:04

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