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Jason Spaceman Posts: 163 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2006,20:30    Quote By Mike Pflanz in Nairobi (Filed: 12/08/2006) Powerful evangelical churches are pressing Kenya's national museum to sideline its world-famous collection of hominid bones pointing to man's evolution from ape to human. Leaders of the country's six-million-strong Pentecostal congregation want Dr Richard Leakey's ground-breaking finds relegated to a back room instead of being given their usual prime billing. Read it here.

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2006,20:35    I'm sure it's fun to annoy STJ, but really, now. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2006,20:42    that's as good an explanation as any I can fathom as to why he posts this drivel. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2006,20:50    I think that Jason, like other crackpots, has nothing new to say.  He's just found a faster way to use more space while saying nothing.  It makes him feel important. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2006,06:18    I'm not sure I see what the problem is. If you don't like these posts, just ignore them. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2006,06:26    Quote (blipey @ Aug. 12 2006,01:50) I think that Jason, like other crackpots, has nothing new to say.  He's just found a faster way to use more space while saying nothing.  It makes him feel important. Dude, you are wayyyyyy offbase. Jason (an anti-IDer) has been posting news stories concerning ID (pro and con) for years now. Consider him the Associated Press of anti-ID. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

tiredofthesos Posts: 59 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2006,12:52    Thanks, for easing my mind, Lenny!  I had always thought the same, but the appearance of a "Jason," (who I believe, without exaggeration, to be the dumbest embarrassment posting on ANY Xian or evolution blog) on another blog and these comments made me unsure.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2006,13:53    Indeed I can assume you mean the Jason over on Pharyngula? I suspected the same. without anything more than driveby postings, how is one to determine otherwise? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

plasmasnake23 Posts: 42 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,09:34    A quick search by member name seems to support what Lenny said. Also see this topic http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....paceman

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,09:39    Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 12 2006,18:53) Indeed I can assume you mean the Jason over on Pharyngula? I suspected the same. without anything more than driveby postings, how is one to determine otherwise? Jason Spaceman cannot possibly be the same person as the rightwing troll Jason (AKA Jason McHue, AKA Jinx) who infects Pharyngula (who has also opened his own new no-comment blog for the sole purpose of tantruming about PZ). See  here, for more about Jason the wingnut. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,12:02    Hah - this is funny...a guy gets insulted for posting news articles on the creo/evo debate. But it's OK now that the Darwinists have been told how to think.. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,12:19    gawp, your spin on this is so wrong it deserves a slap: *slap* -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

tiredofthesos Posts: 59 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,13:37    Fuck you, GoP, and get back to your shitty "papers."

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,14:27    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Aug. 13 2006,17:02) Hah - this is funny...a guy gets insulted for posting news articles on the creo/evo debate. But it's OK now that the Darwinists have been told how to think.. Hey, aren't you supposed to be proving the sun goes around the earth and that the stars are only a few thousand miles away? Better hurry if you want that Nobel prize, there are 'liberals' to be defeated. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

BGOG Posts: 5 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,23:40    Given that Dembski et al fully accept common descent, and therefore must see these fossils as important evidence for ID, perhaps their help could be enlisted to pressurise the churches into dropping this nonsense. Or would they find themselves caught between two stools, highlighting the absurdity of their position??

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2006,01:17    I don't frequent T.O. as much as I used to (which wasn't much by comparison! but I remember Jason Spaceman from there. He is, like Lenny says, a guy who provides a news service. As far as I remember he is an anti-IDCist and anti-creationist. These posts aren't intended to be drivebys, simply snippets of interesting news, perhaps with the intent of generating discussion. As for you Ghosty. Oh dear. You've plunged of the thin edge of sanity again haven't you? Since when is correcting someone's wrong impression of someone else engaging in thought policing? If you think that correcting someone's "errors" is telling them how to think then why do YOU post your geocentrist claptrap here? Surely by the logic of your own argument you are trying to correct what you dimly percieve in that mashed potato you call a brain as our "errors", thus you must be trying to engage in controlling our thoughts and making think "the right way". Fucking #### Ghosty, I knew you were a nutjob but I never thought that you were a facist mind control freak! Don't you oppress me you Orwellian thought policeman! Louis P.S. Ahhhhh humour. For the hard of thinking (Ghosty, I'm looking at you) the above is a logical extension of Ghosty's comment designed purely for humour purposes. I don't think that Ghosty is controlling or can control anyone's thoughts, not even his own. This was a joke. After all, how ridiculous is it for someone over here in the UK to have their thoughts controlled by a pigshit thick American loony fundamentalist on the other side of the Atlantic....... ......wait a minute! Tony Blair! Oh shit..... -------------- Bye.

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2006,02:26    I think the church will find Richard Leakey and the family a pretty hard nut to crack. -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

Paul Flocken Posts: 290 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2006,10:11    I tried to start this as a new topic but apparently you guys don't like me anymore and I can't start topics.  [angry pout]  Fortunately Jason had already done this topic.  So here, whether you like it or not ------------ I listened to this around 5:30am this morning (EDT) so this is may be old news by now. Bringing up the subject PZ blogged about some time back the BBC World Service Sunday morning show Reporting Religion interviewed an Evangelical Bishop of Kenya, Boniface Adoyo(pardon spelling) and a former General Director of the National Museum of Kenya, Dr. George Ubungo(sp?). The piece starts about eight minutes in.  I think the show's host, Dan Damon, asked a pretty bone headed question at the start, but made up for it as it progressed with his 'plaster of paris' comment.  It is nine minutes long and features the standard "don't present evolution as a fact when it is a theory" boilerplate by the bishop. The link for the show. The BBC changes the program every week so you only have until next Sunday to listen.  If anyone knows how to grab ahold of streaming media let me know.  I would like to keep this but don't have that knowledge. Sincerely, Paul -------------- "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.  Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."-John F. Kennedy

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2006,10:24    Quote (Louis @ Aug. 14 2006,06:17) I don't frequent T.O. as much as I used to (which wasn't much by comparison! but I remember Jason Spaceman from there. He is, like Lenny says, a guy who provides a news service. As far as I remember he is an anti-IDCist and anti-creationist. These posts aren't intended to be drivebys, simply snippets of interesting news, perhaps with the intent of generating discussion. As for you Ghosty. Oh dear. You've plunged of the thin edge of sanity again haven't you? Since when is correcting someone's wrong impression of someone else engaging in thought policing? If you think that correcting someone's "errors" is telling them how to think then why do YOU post your geocentrist claptrap here? Surely by the logic of your own argument you are trying to correct what you dimly percieve in that mashed potato you call a brain as our "errors", thus you must be trying to engage in controlling our thoughts and making think "the right way". Fucking #### Ghosty, I knew you were a nutjob but I never thought that you were a facist mind control freak! Don't you oppress me you Orwellian thought policeman! Louis P.S. Ahhhhh humour. For the hard of thinking (Ghosty, I'm looking at you) the above is a logical extension of Ghosty's comment designed purely for humour purposes. I don't think that Ghosty is controlling or can control anyone's thoughts, not even his own. This was a joke. After all, how ridiculous is it for someone over here in the UK to have their thoughts controlled by a pigshit thick American loony fundamentalist on the other side of the Atlantic....... ......wait a minute! Tony Blair! Oh shit..... Hehe. That made me laugh. Nice 1.

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2006,10:40    Jason Spaceman often posts here some funny stuff from WingNutDaily and other ridiculous creo news. I couldn't imagine an IDer doing this and I'm surprised by your reactions, Thomas and especially blipey. His posts are not a waste of space, but are right on topic and rather interesting. I sort of agree with GoP (but not his "how ot think" part). This confusion is rather embarrassing. Our reactions should be objective. Anyway, Jason sure looks like a news bot. Is there a real person behind the posts? Back on topic : why do creo try to hide some evidence if creation is true?

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2006,10:57    Quote I sort of agree with GoP (but not his "how ot think" part). This confusion is rather embarrassing. Our reactions should be objective. Anyway, Jason sure looks like a news bot. Is there a real person behind the posts? Jean, you need to read the responses more carefully. I thought this Jason was the Jason that trolled Pharyngula, and that the series of drivebys was merely another attempt at trolling. Arden correctly pointed out to me that he was not the same Jason. Gawp incorrectly assumed that to be an instance "of thought policing". Yes, Jason has actually responded to one of his later posts.  He's real, for what it's worth. clearer now? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2006,11:24    I did read the posts carefully. As I said, I don't agree with Paley's "thought policy", rather his remark about Jason being insulted. This is what I find embarrassing. I wouldn't have assumed that he'd been trolling on this board even if his name were Larry. Maybe Jason is not a common name, but still.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2006,12:05    whatever, save your preaching, please.  I even apologized to the man in another of his threads. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2006,08:15    I was surprised, that's all. Case closed.

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