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PTET



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,03:17   

Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 19 2008,18:37)
Has anyone addressed this post at Overwhelming Evidence?

   
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The bulk of my life's work concerns not UFOs, but the peculiar Earth Mystery called “Ley-Lines”. At their most basic, Leys are precise linear alignments in geographical features. The most significant of these alignments can be often feature a number of historically significant landmarks, every one arranged in a perfect land across the landscape.


Is this guy a troll? Whoever he is, the post it great, as are the responses.

"Experience teaches us that this kind of symbolism does not come about by mere accident, and if the intellectual successes of the ID movement teaches us one thing it is that we should follow our experience."

A subtle sledgehammer. Quite Borges.

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PTET



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,03:18   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 19 2008,23:45)
Poor Dr. Dr. Dembski.  Seventy three years of college and even the people who test parrots for telepathy don't respect him.

Is there a "line of the week"?

That's for my sig, that is.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,05:40   

Sheldrake and I seem to have something in common...

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This book brings together in one place many of Dembski's ideas. The arguments range from very technical mathematical and logical formulations to pop culture examples to illustrate points. In my opinion, the book suffers from some very deep flaws -- it seems to me that Dembski misuses the NFL results to argue against the capacity of evolutionary algorithms to solve problems. Many more minor problems are apparent to me in even my brief acquaintance with the book. Still, if one wished to buy one book of Dembski's rather than the four that now grace my bookshelf, "No Free Lunch" would be the one to get.


Source

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,10:25   

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To my little pea brain, these are some pretty big issues about evolution, the origins of life, and genetics that Darwinism cannot answer. Now, to be fair, does anyone else have verifiable answers either? Not as far as I know.

from Florida’s Darwinian Standards evolve to “a scientific theory” by DLH

I deleted my brilliant commentary on this quote because it stands as an artistic whole. Flaubert would be proud.
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,10:48   

Quote (BWE @ Feb. 20 2008,10:25)
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To my little pea brain, these are some pretty big issues about evolution, the origins of life, and genetics that Darwinism cannot answer. Now, to be fair, does anyone else have verifiable answers either? Not as far as I know.

from Florida’s Darwinian Standards evolve to “a scientific theory” by DLH

I deleted my brilliant commentary on this quote because it stands as an artistic whole. Flaubert would be proud.
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Fantastic! Abandon all pretense of science, UD. That's an old testament YEC post if I ever saw one!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,11:28   

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 17 2008,16:18)
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bFast
02/17/2008
4:50 pm

Every bone in my software developer’s body says that DNA did not develop as the simple byproduct of a set of laws. Not in a million years.

You're right, bFast.  It took considerably longer than a million years.

Every bone in my software developer’s body says that DNA did not develop as the simple byproduct of a set of laws. Not in a million years.

Why should anyone CARE what a  software developerthinks about DNA?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,11:36   

Quote (BWE @ Feb. 20 2008,08:25)
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To my little pea brain, these are some pretty big issues about evolution, the origins of life, and genetics that Darwinism cannot answer. Now, to be fair, does anyone else have verifiable answers either? Not as far as I know.

from Florida’s Darwinian Standards evolve to “a scientific theory” by DLH

I deleted my brilliant commentary on this quote because it stands as an artistic whole. Flaubert would be proud.
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This is simply magnificent.  Tard for the ages.  Take it away, Ben:

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In a Special Report on the American Spectator Ben Stein writes::


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Florida’s Darwinian Interlude
Published 2/20/2008 12:08:44 AM

Just a few tiny, insignificant little questions.

* How did the universe start?

* Where did matter come from?

* Where did energy come from?

* Where did the laws of motion, thermodynamics, physics, chemistry, come from?

* Where did gravity come from?

* How did inorganic matter, that is, lifeless matter such as dirt and rocks, become living beings?

* Has anyone ever observed beyond doubt the evolution of a new mammalian or aviary species, as opposed to changes within a species?

These teeny weeny little questions are just some of the issues as to which Darwin and Darwinism have absolutely no verifiable answers.


Other questions for which Darwinism has no answer:

* Why can't you be out LBW if the ball pitches on the on side?

* Where are my car keys?

* Why can't you get black pudding in Seattle?

* Who put the bomp in the bomp ba bomp ba bomp?  

* Who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong?


WATERLOO!!!oneoneoneone

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,11:38   

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* Has anyone ever observed beyond doubt the evolution of a new mammalian or aviary species, as opposed to changes within a species?


Oh, and another thing:  Aviary species?

I love it when they try to sound all sciency.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,11:46   

I guess no one bothered to tell these ass holes about rapid chromosomal speciation in mice introduced to small oceanic islands by Europeans.  Ahh well.  I won't bother.  Ben Stein, I wish my former opinion of you were higher so that I might emphasize the difference.  But alas, to me, you have always been a douchebag.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,12:08   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 20 2008,11:38)
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* Has anyone ever observed beyond doubt the evolution of a new mammalian or aviary species, as opposed to changes within a species?


Oh, and another thing:  Aviary species?

I love it when they try to sound all sciency.

Yep. I'm sure a few new species of algae have developed in my chicken aviary.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,13:01   

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I guess no one bothered to tell these ass holes about rapid chromosomal speciation in mice introduced to small oceanic islands by Europeans
Allen MacNeill tried to explain it to the IDiots in his comments on this post.
Joseph disagreed    
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Just an observation but the mice in comment 97 are still mice.

Allen tried to explain it again
 
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As to the comment that the mice on Madeira are still “mice,” this misses the point entirely. They are, in fact, six different species of mice, all descended from one original ancestral species brought ashore about 500 years ago.
to Joseph Joseph replied with this fine piece of tard      
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I have no doubt that the points being made are entirely different. But six different species of mice in 500 years from one ancestral stock pales in comparison to what would have had to have occurred in the YEC scenario following The Flood.

IOW in light of the evidence you presented post-Flood rapid speciation claims do not seem so far-fetched. However even that does not explain the differences that need to be explained between chimps & humans.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,13:18   

Wonderful, sparc!  Allen MacNeill's performance is reminiscent of today's xkcd


It should be easy to adjust, but I can't be arsed right now.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,13:22   

Quote (sparc @ Feb. 20 2008,13:01)
 
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I have no doubt that the points being made are entirely different. But six different species of mice in 500 years from one ancestral stock pales in comparison to what would have had to have occurred in the YEC scenario following The Flood.

IOW in light of the evidence you presented post-Flood rapid speciation claims do not seem so far-fetched. However even that does not explain the differences that need to be explained between chimps & humans.

Damn! I had forgotten about that one. It is indeed a shiny piece of tard from one of the masters.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,13:24   

DaveTard Slaps dippy Joe G, promoter of ID in school boards:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....t-78278

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DaveScot

11/28/2006

11:23 am
Joseph

What would it take to convince you that humans and chimps share a common ancestor?

I suspect you’re beyond reasoning with when it comes to these things.


There's a rip in the big tent.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,13:28   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 20 2008,13:18)
Wonderful, sparc!  Allen MacNeill's performance is reminiscent of today's xkcd


It should be easy to adjust, but I can't be arsed right now.

Bob

If he's trying to straighten out the posters at UD, he's gonna be there a long, long time... could be anywhere from, 6,000 to 4.5 billion years.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,14:35   

I swear I am not making this up:
Dave Scot:
 
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Joseph  [DS's question deleted]

I suspect you’re beyond reasoning with when it comes to these things.


michaels7:
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Joseph,

Keep fighting the good fight.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,14:56   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 20 2008,13:18)
Wonderful, sparc!  Allen MacNeill's performance is reminiscent of today's xkcd


It should be easy to adjust, but I can't be arsed right now.

Bob

Just remember that the creator of xkcd had a superior physics education.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,16:59   

Remind you of anyone?



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,17:43   

I was hoping it wouldn't come to this.  Denyse O'Leary is giving writing lessons (link):

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gpuccio

02/20/2008

4:40 pm
Often, on this blog, I have tried to affirm, withour any possible compromise, that the darwinian attempt to mess with the categories, and to pass the theory evolution as a fact, even on so called “peer reviewed” journals, is one of the greatest sins of our fellow enemies, a shame for rational thought and a complete degradation of scientific debate.


Our fellow enemies?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,18:03   

And from the linked blog article she posted in her post from uncommon scent where she posted a post about her post from another blog that isn't uncommon descent this humdoosie makes me suspect we are readier to follow this sentence than to follow her train of thought as it lumbers across the trackless landscape whose strength lies in information she has never encountered before:

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Today, many Americans are far readier to celebrate Darwin Day than Lincoln Day. This year Evolution Sunday  coincided with the First Sunday in Lent in the traditional Christian year.

...Indeed, Darwin Day's great strength is the trove of information that I had never encountered before (and most people who follow the intelligent design controversy probably haven't either):
Mainly about how much negative popular culture is a direct outcome of the assumptions that Darwin and his supporters introduced.

There is a good reason why I hadn't encountered that information. West hadn't known it himself until he began his methodical research.



link3link2The uncommon post at uncommon scent that links to the also uncommonly lucid post on which she posts.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,22:54   

Denyse explains that her impairments are due to poverty:
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It costs something to have a mind.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,23:00   

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 20 2008,22:54)
Denyse explains that her impairments are due to poverty:
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It costs something to have a mind.

No free hunch theorem?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,23:02   

BTW, did Allen MacNeill show up again after the above mentioned thread? At one point he seems to have accepted that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion at UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,23:08   

Quote (sparc @ Feb. 21 2008,00:02)
BTW, did Allen MacNeill show up again after the above mentioned thread? At one point he seems to have accepted that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion at UD.

Some people learn quickly.

Others are optimists.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2008,23:35   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 20 2008,23:00)
Quote (keiths @ Feb. 20 2008,22:54)
Denyse explains that her impairments are due to poverty:
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It costs something to have a mind.

No free hunch theorem?

She links to the same post three times.

If Denyse had a functional sense of humor, I'd think she was toying with us.

Earlier today, she posted this:
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Like, the palm tree’s sort of behaviour would be okay for weeds, but … for TREES?


She's making it too easy...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2008,00:19   

Quote (REC @ Feb. 19 2008,13:37)
Anyone follow O'Leary's link to the 'file drawer' effect paper?
File Drawer Effect

The Society for Scientific Exploration is endlessly entertaining.....
Some of their 'peer reviewed' publications:

The Journal for Scientific Exploration stopped publishing in winter 2005.  Anyone see the significance of that date?

Well, I only just got around to checking it, but PCID last published in November 2005.

I've no idea what to make of this, either.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2008,01:19   

Quote (dheddle @ Feb. 20 2008,14:56)
Just remember that the creator of xkcd had a superior physics education.

Phil Plait (the Bad Astronomer) blogged on the centrifugal-vs-centripetal force "debate" in August of 2006.  Ten months later, the thread was still getting comments.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2008,06:21   

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 21 2008,01:19)
 
Quote (dheddle @ Feb. 20 2008,14:56)
Just remember that the creator of xkcd had a superior physics education.

Phil Plait (the Bad Astronomer) blogged on the centrifugal-vs-centripetal force "debate" in August of 2006.  Ten months later, the thread was still getting comments.

It is a religious debate of sorts, and gets into what is meant by "real," for my two cents I would say that Phil is wrong on this one, although I would agree that it is annoying to have to listen to It's centripetal, not centrifugal all the time. Still, inertial frames rule in my opinion. The Coriolis drift of a falling object, for example, is annoyingly complicated when computed  the with "fictitious" forces of the rotating observer, while the same effect is trivial Netwonian gravitation when computed by an observer in space--the object is released moving east with the earth rotation, as it falls and comes closer to pericenter it speeds up (as everything does)  and outraces the rotating earth and, viola, it "drifts" east.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2008,09:57   

Dembski came out from the safety of his bunker today.  As usual he makes no sense.  He's talking about yet another anonymous  "close colleague" who quotes a couple of guys who wrote about the darwinism  "theory" thing...4-5 decades ago.  

Poor, poor WAD.  He's quoting anonymous sources who offer anti-darwinism quotes that are between 40-50 years old.

Yeah that's some cutting edge science for you, UD style.  The tards are hungry and in a feeding frenzy now.  It's like watching the zoo keeper throw dead fish to the captive sea lions.

Poor, poor WAD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2008,10:45   



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