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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,12:23   

DaveTard:

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If I weren't banned at Pharyngula, Dispatches, Panda's Thumb, ATBC, I'd get down in the mud with them. I was sergeant in the USMC and Marines aren't exactly famous for being delicate and refined. The fact of the matter is they can dish it out but they can't take it and if any of them don't believe that then I challenge them to unban me at those sites. Even though I'm vastly outnumbered they still can't deal with me. On blogs I try to follow the rule "When in Rome do as the Romans do." Larry Moran's evolution blog is the only one where I'm still tolerated. Moran has a thick skin and for that he has my respect. Red State Rabble is a real joke. Witless, classless wimp Pat Hayes doesn't even enable comments. If not cowardice I'm not sure why since he doesn't have any semblance of refinement to guard.

9:49 AM



oh Dave, what about Alan Fox's neutral venue?

Edit: Quote from FTK's blog.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,12:32   

Not enough of a Google rating for Dave, I believe. None-the-less, If David Springer wants to "get down in the mud" here and prove he is not just a big cheesy poof who runs away when he can't censor, he will be most welcome, especially if he wants to discuss climate change and what Bill spent his $100,000 book advance on.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,12:49   

I've posted an invite of FTKs blog, if it makes it. How about Pascal's wager applied to GW, as we touched on before?

PS I DIDNT COME UP WITH IT INDEPENDENTLY ON MY OWN.

PPS ALAN FOX IS SO GAY HIS INBOX IS FULL.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,12:50   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 20 2007,08:14)
       
Quote (keiths @ Mar. 20 2007,00:47)
It's even better than you think.  Dembski stole that coin-flipping example from Richard Dawkins, who used it in his 1991 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures to explain why coincidences are not evidence for the supernatural.  The demonstration begins at 3:30 into this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWz9syO1zAQ

Keiths:  So, you're basically saying that a fine upstanding Christian gentleman, that actually teaches at a Seminary for Christ's sake, with 2 doctorates to his name would stoop to lying and using unatributed quotations in public?  What's next?  Hiring a moronic thug to manage his website I suppose?

The irony of Dawkins’ parting words in that video (as he performs the Foucault experiment): “I felt the wind of it.” There’s a mighty wind blowing up toward Oxford from Waco! *Fart* It seems obvious to me now that Dembski is just tagging after Dawkins, imitating him and delivering parodies of Dawkins’ lectures. I'm surprised he didn't make a #### fartimation about Dawkins.

But J-Dog, it's you and I and everyone here who is not attributing works to the right author! Because we don't give God the glory (or if you're a Christian in one of the "mainline churches or seminaries" that Dembski derides, shame on you!;)! We're the plagerizers (and the arsonists), get it?

Boy, Dembski must be one controlling, morbid, humorless shit. (He tells that "God says to scientists, 'Getcher own dirt'" age-old joke too, and the audience laughs because they never heard it in their huge panorama of their livingrooms/attached garage/commute/work&church world. *Ba-dum, chuh!* He's there all year, everyone.) :p

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Ogee



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,13:21   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 20 2007,11:23)
DaveTard:

   
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If I weren't banned at Pharyngula, Dispatches, Panda's Thumb, ATBC, I'd get down in the mud with them. I was sergeant in the USMC and Marines aren't exactly famous for being delicate and refined. The fact of the matter is they can dish it out but they can't take it and if any of them don't believe that then I challenge them to unban me at those sites. Even though I'm vastly outnumbered they still can't deal with me. On blogs I try to follow the rule "When in Rome do as the Romans do." Larry Moran's evolution blog is the only one where I'm still tolerated. Moran has a thick skin and for that he has my respect. Red State Rabble is a real joke. Witless, classless wimp Pat Hayes doesn't even enable comments. If not cowardice I'm not sure why since he doesn't have any semblance of refinement to guard.

9:49 AM



oh Dave, what about Alan Fox's neutral venue?

Edit: Quote from FTK's blog.

That's hilarious, given how DT squealed and whined like a little piggy when insulted at Alan's blog and at UDoJ.  I love the tough guy Marine act coming from a tubby yellow-bellied (or maybe those are just cheezy-poof crumb-stains?) REMF who speedily bans anyone who exposes his considerable inadequacies over at UD.  I suppose being a hypocrite is small beans when you're already a known cretin, bigot, coward and all-round uneducated moron.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,13:49   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 20 2007,11:50)
Boy, Dembski must be one controlling, morbid, humorless shit. (He tells that "God says to scientists, 'Getcher own dirt'" age-old joke too, and the audience laughs because they never heard it in their huge panorama of their livingrooms/attached garage/commute/work&church world. *Ba-dum, chuh!* He's there all year, everyone.) :p

Kristine - How could you be so wrong about Your Dr. Dembski?  If I can quote that Fine Upstanding, Cheesy-Poofed American, Mr. DaveScot Springer, who says you are Just So Totally Wrong about Mr. Bill - He's a laugh riot!  I just got this from For The Kids (Thanks for the link Richard)

DaveScot said...
ftk

Bill's a whole heck of lot less uptight in private with people he trusts. I thought it was hilarious when he got busted being the voice of Judge Jones. It was me who told him he got busted. In public he has to try to maintain a reasonable likeness to a seriously Christian theology professor at a Christian university. In private he's much more of a regular guy who you can have some laughs with. You're way more refined and proper than he is although if it wasn't for the Judge Jones animation no one who didn't know him would suspect such a thing.

Have some laughs with?  Hangin' Wit Dr. D?  Seems to me it would be like hanging out with those light-hearted playful Spanish Inquisitors.  Ouch!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,14:34   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 20 2007,11:23)
oh Dave, what about Alan Fox's neutral venue?

Dave will never return to Alan's blog because he knows that no matter how hard he tries to get banned, Alan won't ban him.  He knows he'll end up looking like a coward when he bails instead of getting kicked out, and he won't be able to put another notch in his martyrdom belt.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,14:40   

Quote (2ndclass @ Mar. 20 2007,13:34)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 20 2007,11:23)
oh Dave, what about Alan Fox's neutral venue?

Dave will never return to Alan's blog because he knows that no matter how hard he tries to get banned, Alan won't ban him.  He knows he'll end up looking like a coward when he bails instead of getting kicked out, and he won't be able to put another notch in his martyrdom belt.

Ah, but Davison is clever. He long ago hit on the solution to this problem, which is to quit posting at Falan's blog, and claim that Falan banned him. When Falan reminds him he wasn't banned, insult him. Problem solved!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,17:33   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 20 2007,18:23)
DaveTard:  
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If I weren't banned at Pharyngula, Dispatches, Panda's Thumb, ATBC, I'd get down in the mud with them. I
oh Dave, what about Alan Fox's neutral venue?

Edit: Quote from FTK's blog.

I don't think he's banned at Pharyngula.  PZ has a complete list of the banned here. Maybe DS considers the certainty that he would run away from PZ very quickly and being banned as roughly equivalent.  I vaguely recall PZ specifically mentioning DS as one who isn't banned, but I couldn't find it in the first 2-3 minutes of searching and gave up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,18:04   

Quote (steve_h @ Mar. 20 2007,16:33)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 20 2007,18:23)
DaveTard:  
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If I weren't banned at Pharyngula, Dispatches, Panda's Thumb, ATBC, I'd get down in the mud with them. I
oh Dave, what about Alan Fox's neutral venue?

Edit: Quote from FTK's blog.

I don't think he's banned at Pharyngula.  PZ has a complete list of the banned here. Maybe DS considers the certainty that he would run away from PZ very quickly and being banned as roughly equivalent.  I vaguely recall PZ specifically mentioning DS as one who isn't banned, but I couldn't find it in the first 2-3 minutes of searching and gave up.

I suspect if Dave tried to post at Pharyngula, his unique brand of Tourette's syndrome would kick in and PZ would indeed ban him. He'd probably deliberately get himself banned as quick as possible.

But Dave's a liar here anyway. Dave has been invited to debate at Alan's blog and he's too much of a wuss to do it. Dave has NEVER been willing to participate in sustained debate anywhere where he can't ban potential opponents, and he knows it. Dave's idea of 'getting down in the mud' is threatening to hack your site then running away.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,18:17   

And make no mistake, he will run away from any open discussion.  He may see himself as a hardened Marine, but the rest of us notice that he's clutching his banning button like a 3 year old holds onto his mommy's apron.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,18:27   

Davetard can blog on ForTheKids's blog, and Casey can blog on the EvolutionNews blog, and Salvador on his blog, and Dembski on his blog, and O'Leary on her blog, and the Cornell Creationists at their blog, and the IDEA creationists on their blog, Larry Farfromsane and Joe G and so on, and so forth, and none of that is going to add up to a single paper.

Maybe while they're doing all that blogging, they can blog about why they haven't published their journal since 2005:

http://www.iscid.org/pcid.php

Maybe they can blog about why nobody picks up the phone when I call the office of the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design.

They can blog about why they don't seem capable of doing anything but blogging.

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,19:54   

Quote (Ogee @ Mar. 20 2007,20:21)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 20 2007,11:23)
DaveTard:

       
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If I weren't banned at Pharyngula, Dispatches, Panda's Thumb, ATBC, I'd get down in the mud with them. I was sergeant in the USMC and Marines aren't exactly famous for being delicate and refined. The fact of the matter is they can dish it out but they can't take it and if any of them don't believe that then I challenge them to unban me at those sites. Even though I'm vastly outnumbered they still can't deal with me. On blogs I try to follow the rule "When in Rome do as the Romans do." Larry Moran's evolution blog is the only one where I'm still tolerated. Moran has a thick skin and for that he has my respect. Red State Rabble is a real joke. Witless, classless wimp Pat Hayes doesn't even enable comments. If not cowardice I'm not sure why since he doesn't have any semblance of refinement to guard.

9:49 AM



oh Dave, what about Alan Fox's neutral venue?

Edit: Quote from FTK's blog.

That's hilarious, given how DT squealed and whined like a little piggy when insulted at Alan's blog and at UDoJ.  I love the tough guy Marine act coming from a tubby yellow-bellied (or maybe those are just cheezy-poof crumb-stains?) REMF who speedily bans anyone who exposes his considerable inadequacies over at UD.  I suppose being a hypocrite is small beans when you're already a known cretin, bigot, coward and all-round uneducated moron.

BWHaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Run away run away

Don't forget the last time
DT THE LAST BIG BRAVE SUPER HERO OF THE FREE WORLD™
posted on PT (or here I can't acurately recall) saying that he was going to do MEGA CYBER DAMAGE since the security sucked BIG TIME and he was going to get even ....MF'ers

because DT's wittle feely weelies got hurty wurtied

*sniff sob boo hoo hoo* dribble* sucks thumb*


BWHaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Brave brave DT

pizzle dick and fat arse-holy moron.

Oh and Bill tard is a card out of uniform....glad to hear it....the 2 doctorates weren't a waste of time then?

Terrific ....he went from sophomoric to freshman humour in what .....10 years?

So what's next ......situational potty humor?

I'll pray for anal retention humor ...it would be amusing to see his head get even bigger with the possiblity of an explosion. You DT may need to select a new suction site before that happens.

<oooooooh.....snicker>

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,20:10   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....claimer

Emphasis mine:

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Disclaimer: The Editors are not endorsing evolution as a scientific fact, in that species evolve from one kind to another. The term “evolutionary” in the evolutionary computation (EC) simply means that the characteristics of an individual changes within the population of the same species, as observed in the nature.



Hmm......

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,20:40   

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Now that’s more like it for a disclaimer …
William Dembski

Remember those disclaimers such as “this paper in no way endorses intelligent design” or “this article in no way challenges evolutionary theory” (see here for instance). Well here’s a disclaimer that appears right at the start of a forthcoming book on evolutionary computation — one that is being published through a recognized academic outlet:

   Disclaimer: The Editors are not endorsing evolution as a scientific fact, in that species evolve from one kind to another. The term “evolutionary” in the evolutionary computation (EC) simply means that the characteristics of an individual changes within the population of the same species, as observed in the nature.

Way to go!!


I really don't understand why this is posted.  Dembski's posts are getting more moronic as the days go by.  O'Leary's posts are starting to look like Shakespear compared to Dembski's.  There never is any substance to his posts.  They are just sort of lazy cut and pastes with some childish comment attached.  What a TARD.

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,20:47   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 21 2007,03:10)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....claimer

Emphasis mine:

 
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Disclaimer: The Editors are not endorsing evolution as a scientific fact, in that species evolve from one kind to another. The term “evolutionary” in the evolutionary computation (EC) simply means that the characteristics of an individual changes within the population of the same species, as observed in the nature.



Hmm......

Yeah.....'kind' looks like a dead give-away not to mention the rest of the 'apology'.

Is this the new 'Of Pandas and Pythagoras'?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,21:33   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 20 2007,11:49)
         
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 20 2007,11:50)
Boy, Dembski must be one controlling, morbid, humorless shit. (He tells that "God says to scientists, 'Getcher own dirt'" age-old joke too, and the audience laughs because they never heard it in their huge panorama of their livingrooms/attached garage/commute/work&church world. *Ba-dum, chuh!* He's there all year, everyone.) :p

Kristine - How could you be so wrong about Your Dr. Dembski?  If I can quote that Fine Upstanding, Cheesy-Poofed American, Mr. DaveScot Springer, who says you are Just So Totally Wrong about Mr. Bill - He's a laugh riot!  I just got this from For The Kids (Thanks for the link Richard)

DaveScot said...
ftk

Bill's a whole heck of lot less uptight in private with people he trusts. I thought it was hilarious when he got busted being the voice of Judge Jones. It was me who told him he got busted. In public he has to try to maintain a reasonable likeness to a seriously Christian theology professor at a Christian university. In private he's much more of a regular guy who you can have some laughs with. You're way more refined and proper than he is although if it wasn't for the Judge Jones animation no one who didn't know him would suspect such a thing.

Have some laughs with?  Hangin' Wit Dr. D?  Seems to me it would be like hanging out with those light-hearted playful Spanish Inquisitors.  Ouch!
First of all, I'm allergic to FTK so I never go to her site. :p

Bill's a whole heck of lot less uptight in private with people he trusts. He must trust only a few people, then.

He must be totally unconscious of how he comes off, then. Because he comes off as an uptight, harsh, an increasingly extreme outraged castrated monk. None of this "I could see ID embracing Jews and Muslims and New Agers, etc." (yes, he actually said that); none of this "I have no problem with evolution per se, I just think that it isn't primarily responsible for the complexity and diversity that we see" razamataz. Now it's "Christian Dominionism or bust *naughty word, we're Baptists* blazes."

Maybe if he allowed a little of this humor of his (which I have heard about from people who met him) I wouldn't be getting so fed up with the moralizing.

Maybe if he at least reassured me that he wasn't an HIV denialist and that he gives a shit about the current eugenics movement in Africa to deny that HIV causes AIDS which is decimating people in South AFrica right now, or that he cared about a doctor and five nurses just sentenced to death in Libya (opportunity to diss Islam, Denyse! Helloooo! ), I wouldn't be finding myself so repulsed by his games. But this is life and death.

That coin-flipping anecdote of Dembski's, that's precisely what's going to play out if we don't get valid information out there about what causes AIDS or if we don't get our arms around the "superbugs" that are, pardonnez-moi, evolving into antibiotic-resistant nightmares. (I'm not even scared about avian flu; I'm scared of super TB.) We'll have massive deaths and the survivors will be the few in the empty stadium who get that lucky coin flip.

Tell me about "God's beautiful nature" then. Looky look who agrees with Bill. (Look how this hideous site has listed blogs like "Aetiology." It's toward the bottom.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2007,21:54   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 20 2007,20:33)
He must be totally unconscious of how he comes off, then. Because he comes off as an uptight, harsh, an increasingly extreme outraged castrated monk.

He certainly looked like a humorless tight-ass prick on "The Daily Show".

But then, fundies ALWAYS look like that -- mostly because they ARE.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,00:11   

Darwin said some nasty things 136 years ago. And Scorn'dOva Dover quote mines Darwin, but here's the full context:
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Once as a very little boy whilst at the day school, or before that time, I acted cruelly, for I beat a puppy, I believe, simply from enjoying the sense of power; but the beating could not have been severe, for the puppy did not howl, of which I feel sure, as the spot was near the house. This act lay heavily on my conscience, as is shown by my remembering the exact spot where the crime was committed. It probably lay all the heavier from my love of dogs being then, and for a long time afterwards, a passion. Dogs seemed to know this, for I was an adept in robbing their love from their masters.

Less than two years ago, Dembski had some nasty things to say, too. Does it lay heavily on his conscience, considering what we now know about a lot of that "looting?"

Even Darwin didn't say, "Just shoot the starving 'unwashed masses,'" which is Dembski's favorite phrase for - what are they called - oh yeah, people. (He includes himself in that phrase, he says. Right, I guess that means he waited tables and napped on the floor of the women's restroom to put himself through college, too. No one discusses the issue of class in America.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,04:41   

It's even worse.  Here's Dembski's OP in the same article:
 
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Every now and again when I want to feel good about our shared humanity, I curl up with Darwin’s DESCENT OF MAN and read passages like the following:

The reckless, degraded, and often vicious members of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr. Greg puts the case: “The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits: the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few behind him. Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts—and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal ’struggle for existence,’ it would be the inferior and less favoured race that had prevailed—and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults.”
– Charles Robert Darwin, The Descent of Man, Great Minds Edition, 123


Here's some samplings five minutes googling brought up from the right wing press:

Mexicans first:
 
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http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2006/07/illegal_immigrants_attack_empl.html  (Judicial Watch)
"we have 30+ million breeding mexicans here now, most all are haters, racist, and with violent tendencies. Take the L.A. riots after OJ, 70+ percent mexican, rest black, white, asian. Let no one tell you most illegal mexicans are good hearted family people"


 
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http://users.rcn.com/crawj/langpol/boombust.htm (A liberal blog reporting on events at US English)
Warning of a Hispanic political takeover through high birthrates, the founder of U.S. English wrote:

Gobernar es poblar translates “to govern is to populate.”… In this society where the majority rules, does this hold? Will the present majority peaceably hand over its political power to a group that is simply more fertile? … Perhaps this is the first instance in which those with their pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down! … As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion? (Tanton 1986)

The chairman himself was forced to resign following disclosures about his network of nonprofit organizations and their financial backers. The latter included foundations dedicated to promoting eugenics, limiting the reproduction of Third World peoples, distributing white supremacist tracts, and sponsoring research purporting to prove the inferiority of nonwhites

Striking back against liberal and moderate incumbents, they made 1994 the Year of the Angry White Male. Targets of middle-class rage included taxation, welfare, affirmative action, multiculturalism, and immigration policies – all deemed to benefit “undeserving” minorities at the expense of the dominant group. California confirmed its reputation as a trend-setter by adopting Proposition 187, an initiative that sought to bar the children of “illegal aliens” from the public schools and turn educators into virtual deputies of the Border Patrol

The same election swept Republicans to power in both houses of Congress
 That's as much Mexican baiting as I can take.  There's plenty more left, but let's look at Muslims and conservatives now:

 
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http://www.asininity.com/comments/P2964_0_1_0/ (Judicious Asininity)
The welfare state is paying for a terrorist to breed 8 more likely terrorists or terrorist incubators while taxing its most productive citizens to the hilt to pay for such lunacy.

The bind that the European welfare state finds itself in is that it makes it almost impossible for the productive Europeans to breed at replacement rates but helps Muslim immigrants out-breed native Europeans by a 3:1 ratio or better.

The educated European woman with a career, a high tax burden, and a husband similarly encumbered, has little chance to have more than a child or two. An uneducated Muslim immigrant woman restricted to her home by her husband, sustained by welfare payments, has little choice but to have children.

Thus does civilization betray itself to a barbaric invader.

 
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/8952/India-and-Pakistan-and-Bangladesh-are-Epicenters-of-muslim-terrorism
We are happy that there is a slight reduction in the muslim population in Pakistan due to earth quake, and world should work in methods to sterilize the muslim population to eliminate Islamic terrorism.  Otherwise the  fast breeding muslims will take over the West.


That's all I can stand.  Your turn, Dr. Dembski

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,04:48   

Kristine:
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I guess that means he waited tables and napped on the floor of the women's restroom to put himself through college, too.


I doubt it!  His father was a professor (of biology!) and his mother ran an art gallery.  I doubt if the good Dr. Dr. slept on many restroom floors.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,06:41   

PaV            
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Where is the data?  

This is why most people can't sustain a line of argument with IDers. IDers forget so easily that you have to continually restart the argument. The data PaV is requesting is in the very case study under discussion, along with a variety of other cites that have been provided. Suggestion, hypothesis, prediction, data, confirmation, insight.  
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In 1949, J. B. S. Haldane suggested that the reason that the deleterious S allele occurs in high frequency in some human populations is because individuals who are heterozygous for the allele (genotype AS) do not suffer from the severe anemia due to cell sickling, but also enjoy some resistance to malaria. He based this proposition solely on the observation of higher than expected frequencies of allele S in regions where malaria is endemic.

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Now, I don’t consider this NS, but simple stochastic genetic behavior. What we have is a “defective” hemoglobin molecule that has, as an unintended consequence, some remedial effect in the case of malaria.  

Gee whiz. The allele frequency can be shown to have changed over generations in response to the environment. This isn't "NS" because, well, PaV doesn't want it to be, or can't allow it to be admitted.

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 If, indeed, this were NS at work, then in malaria free areas, over the long run, this allele should vanish—IOW, NS would “punish” it. But you see, this study strongly suggests this isn’t the case.

The timeframe is only a few generations. As sickle cell trait is recessive and not always lethal when homozygous, it would be expected to decrease in frequency, but not necessarily disappear.

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The Hardy-Weinberg Law seems to be taking over.

Hardy-Weinberg assumes the absence of selection, certainly not the case with populations currently harboring the trait. Sickle cell is a significant parenting issue among descendents of the African Diaspora.

Don't forget to let us know how your research in support of your "hypothesis" works out. And don't forget your pills!

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Every now and again when I want to feel good about our shared humanity, I curl up with Darwin’s DESCENT OF MAN and read passages like the following:

<snip racist drivel typical of Darwin's era for his nationality, race and class>

Every now and then when I feel like experiencing the contents of my stomach squirting uncontrollably out through my mouth and nostrils, I like to curl up with something by Dembski's good friend Ann Coulter:
   
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I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.

--Coulter's syndicated column, 12/21/05

I'm sure Dembski would gladly give Chuck D a pass on his racist meanderings if we explained that they were intended merely as "street theater."

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,09:35   

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It's even worse.  Here's Dembski's OP in the same article:
   
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Every now and again when I want to feel good about our shared humanity, I curl up with Darwin’s DESCENT OF MAN and read passages like the following:

The reckless, degraded, and often vicious members of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr. Greg puts the case: “The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits: the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few behind him. Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts—and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal ’struggle for existence,’ it would be the inferior and less favoured race that had prevailed—and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults.”
– Charles Robert Darwin, The Descent of Man, Great Minds Edition, 123


Here's some samplings five minutes googling brought up from the right wing press:

Mexicans first:
   
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http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2006/07/illegal_immigrants_attack_empl.html  (Judicial Watch)
"we have 30+ million breeding mexicans here now, most all are haters, racist, and with violent tendencies. Take the L.A. riots after OJ, 70+ percent mexican, rest black, white, asian. Let no one tell you most illegal mexicans are good hearted family people"


   
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http://users.rcn.com/crawj/langpol/boombust.htm (A liberal blog reporting on events at US English)
Warning of a Hispanic political takeover through high birthrates, the founder of U.S. English wrote:

Gobernar es poblar translates “to govern is to populate.”… In this society where the majority rules, does this hold? Will the present majority peaceably hand over its political power to a group that is simply more fertile? … Perhaps this is the first instance in which those with their pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down! … As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion? (Tanton 1986)

The chairman himself was forced to resign following disclosures about his network of nonprofit organizations and their financial backers. The latter included foundations dedicated to promoting eugenics, limiting the reproduction of Third World peoples, distributing white supremacist tracts, and sponsoring research purporting to prove the inferiority of nonwhites

Striking back against liberal and moderate incumbents, they made 1994 the Year of the Angry White Male. Targets of middle-class rage included taxation, welfare, affirmative action, multiculturalism, and immigration policies – all deemed to benefit “undeserving” minorities at the expense of the dominant group. California confirmed its reputation as a trend-setter by adopting Proposition 187, an initiative that sought to bar the children of “illegal aliens” from the public schools and turn educators into virtual deputies of the Border Patrol

The same election swept Republicans to power in both houses of Congress
 That's as much Mexican baiting as I can take.  There's plenty more left, but let's look at Muslims and conservatives now:

   
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http://www.asininity.com/comments/P2964_0_1_0/ (Judicious Asininity)
The welfare state is paying for a terrorist to breed 8 more likely terrorists or terrorist incubators while taxing its most productive citizens to the hilt to pay for such lunacy.

The bind that the European welfare state finds itself in is that it makes it almost impossible for the productive Europeans to breed at replacement rates but helps Muslim immigrants out-breed native Europeans by a 3:1 ratio or better.

The educated European woman with a career, a high tax burden, and a husband similarly encumbered, has little chance to have more than a child or two. An uneducated Muslim immigrant woman restricted to her home by her husband, sustained by welfare payments, has little choice but to have children.

Thus does civilization betray itself to a barbaric invader.

   
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/8952/India-and-Pakistan-and-Bangladesh-are-Epicenters-of-muslim-terrorism
We are happy that there is a slight reduction in the muslim population in Pakistan due to earth quake, and world should work in methods to sterilize the muslim population to eliminate Islamic terrorism.  Otherwise the  fast breeding muslims will take over the West.


That's all I can stand.  Your turn, Dr. Dembski

You missed a spot:

Dave Scot:
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I called the authors of the bible "lice ridden beduins" on Uncommon Descent. It really set Josh off. And it's true. I thought everyone knew that Arabs do their camels. It's not racist. It's a simple fact. But hey, if you don't want disparaging remarks about terrorists that want to kill everyone in the U.S. and/or make us all stick our ass up in the air opposite Mecca to worship Allah then I guess that's your call. Is that what you're saying?

You should read this whilst keeping mind that Jordanians are Arabs. I'm not making this up. Arab men are pigs, dear. Misogynous pigs at that. At the least you should know who you're defending and ask if they deserve it. Arab isn't a race, by the way, it's a culture and a part of the world centered on the Middle East, so it's really not possible to be racist against Arabs. That would be like being racist against Canadian morphodykes - non sequitur.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,10:01   

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I guess that means he waited tables and napped on the floor of the women's restroom to put himself through college, too.

I doubt it!  His father was a professor (of biology!) and his mother ran an art gallery.  I doubt if the good Dr. Dr. slept on many restroom floors.
Oh, I’m aware of our Dr. Dr. Dembski’s background. I was being sarcastic to make the point that this evolution – ID debate is also a class issue. It’s a game to Dembski to flip-flop as he does, depending upon which audience is in front of his face, but the “unwashed masses,” who want to be told that somebody powerful cares about them, actually buy this stuff. Then they buy the other stuff: HIV doesn’t cause AIDS, global warming is a myth, being gay can be “cured” by women wearing chemical-laden patches on their stomachs. (I notice that even though it’s men who determine the gender of the zygote no one suggested that men wear the patches to prevent these gay sperm from being manufactured in the first place!) It’s just a little mental exercise to Dembski, Johnson, Wells, Behe, et al, to debate evolution and deny HIV’s link to AIDS, etc. etc., but when they need good science for their families they’ll be able to go to Singapore if that’s what it takes.

In the meantime since I'm past a certain age I’m looking for a primary care physician and I never thought that some of the questions I would have to ask would be if s/he accepts evolution, believes that the earth is billions of years old, and will give me complete medical information despite his/her religious beliefs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,10:34   

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It's even worse.  Here's Dembski's OP in the same article:
     
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Every now and again when I want to feel good about our shared humanity, I curl up with Darwin’s DESCENT OF MAN and read passages like the following:

The reckless, degraded, and often vicious members of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr. Greg puts the case: “The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits: the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few behind him. Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts—and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal ’struggle for existence,’ it would be the inferior and less favoured race that had prevailed—and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults.”
– Charles Robert Darwin, The Descent of Man, Great Minds Edition, 123


Here's some samplings five minutes googling brought up from the right wing press:

Mexicans first:
     
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http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2006/07/illegal_immigrants_attack_empl.html  (Judicial Watch)
"we have 30+ million breeding mexicans here now, most all are haters, racist, and with violent tendencies. Take the L.A. riots after OJ, 70+ percent mexican, rest black, white, asian. Let no one tell you most illegal mexicans are good hearted family people"


     
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http://users.rcn.com/crawj/langpol/boombust.htm (A liberal blog reporting on events at US English)
Warning of a Hispanic political takeover through high birthrates, the founder of U.S. English wrote:

Gobernar es poblar translates “to govern is to populate.”… In this society where the majority rules, does this hold? Will the present majority peaceably hand over its political power to a group that is simply more fertile? … Perhaps this is the first instance in which those with their pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down! … As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion? (Tanton 1986)

The chairman himself was forced to resign following disclosures about his network of nonprofit organizations and their financial backers. The latter included foundations dedicated to promoting eugenics, limiting the reproduction of Third World peoples, distributing white supremacist tracts, and sponsoring research purporting to prove the inferiority of nonwhites

Striking back against liberal and moderate incumbents, they made 1994 the Year of the Angry White Male. Targets of middle-class rage included taxation, welfare, affirmative action, multiculturalism, and immigration policies – all deemed to benefit “undeserving” minorities at the expense of the dominant group. California confirmed its reputation as a trend-setter by adopting Proposition 187, an initiative that sought to bar the children of “illegal aliens” from the public schools and turn educators into virtual deputies of the Border Patrol

The same election swept Republicans to power in both houses of Congress
 That's as much Mexican baiting as I can take.  There's plenty more left, but let's look at Muslims and conservatives now:

     
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http://www.asininity.com/comments/P2964_0_1_0/ (Judicious Asininity)
The welfare state is paying for a terrorist to breed 8 more likely terrorists or terrorist incubators while taxing its most productive citizens to the hilt to pay for such lunacy.

The bind that the European welfare state finds itself in is that it makes it almost impossible for the productive Europeans to breed at replacement rates but helps Muslim immigrants out-breed native Europeans by a 3:1 ratio or better.

The educated European woman with a career, a high tax burden, and a husband similarly encumbered, has little chance to have more than a child or two. An uneducated Muslim immigrant woman restricted to her home by her husband, sustained by welfare payments, has little choice but to have children.

Thus does civilization betray itself to a barbaric invader.

     
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/8952/India-and-Pakistan-and-Bangladesh-are-Epicenters-of-muslim-terrorism
We are happy that there is a slight reduction in the muslim population in Pakistan due to earth quake, and world should work in methods to sterilize the muslim population to eliminate Islamic terrorism.  Otherwise the  fast breeding muslims will take over the West.


That's all I can stand.  Your turn, Dr. Dembski

You missed a spot:

Dave Scot:
 
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I called the authors of the bible "lice ridden beduins" on Uncommon Descent. It really set Josh off. And it's true. I thought everyone knew that Arabs do their camels. It's not racist. It's a simple fact. But hey, if you don't want disparaging remarks about terrorists that want to kill everyone in the U.S. and/or make us all stick our ass up in the air opposite Mecca to worship Allah then I guess that's your call. Is that what you're saying?

You should read this whilst keeping mind that Jordanians are Arabs. I'm not making this up. Arab men are pigs, dear. Misogynous pigs at that. At the least you should know who you're defending and ask if they deserve it. Arab isn't a race, by the way, it's a culture and a part of the world centered on the Middle East, so it's really not possible to be racist against Arabs. That would be like being racist against Canadian morphodykes - non sequitur.

THAT'S RIGHT HOMO, CAMEL KISSING ARABS STARTED CHRISTIANITY AND JESUS WAS A TERRORIST. dt

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,11:26   

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Arab isn't a race, by the way, it's a culture and a part of the world centered on the Middle East, so it's really not possible to be racist against Arabs.

I just want to point out here that while Arab/Middle East/Islam overlap, they are separates sets. "Arab" is not "a culture," it's a lineage and it has many cultures.

There is no one monolithic "Arab culture." How many Arabs have DaveScot actually met? He should know that the majority of Arabs in the United States are Christians. Lebanese in particular get pissed off when they're assumed to be Muslims. Does he define Persians as "Arabs," too? They're not. Afghans, who are largely Muslim, are not Arabs. Indonesians, who are largely Muslim, are not Arabs. Some Arabs are Jews. (What does he think Hagar and Ishmael were?) Doesn't he know this? Doesn't everyone know this? Come on!

I too have issues with Islam, but let's be clear about who we're talking about, first! This is basic information. This isn't controversial, Muslim-hugging stuff.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,11:34   

At least Darwin had the courtesy to give voice to 19th century predudices and errors during the 19th century.  Dembski is repeating pre-Darwinian 19th century theoretical notions that are equally anachronistic and equally baldly mistaken (the arguments to and from design) in the 21st century.  

Shame on him.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,11:35   

I'd like everyone to meet a Christian Arab hero of mine, Donny George.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2007,13:16   

UD jumps Fonzie who's jumping the shark:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....urrency

Reda the whole thing.. but I like this bit:

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Which brings up the reason I keep posting juicy bigotted and racist quotes by Darwin and his disciples here at UD. While the intellectual community may know them, the general public does not. Suppose the public decided that every time it accepted a “Darwin” (a 10-pound note) in payment or in change for a purchase, it was implicitly endorsing those terrible quotes? People would likely say, “No thanks, I’d rather have two fivers. I don’t take money that praises racists and bigots — and neither should you.”


GrrRrrrr! MUST FIGHT STRAW MAN!! So we've given up pretending to do science.


ID: NEW GOALS.

1 YEAR) BADMOUTH DARWIN, LINK HIM TO EVIL

5 YEAR) HOPE THAT JAD WRITES ANOTHER PAPER

10 YEARS) BLUSTER AND PREEN AND AVOID COURT CASES.

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